Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by Gunther Hathere » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00




Quote:
> I was watching a show on tv and they mentioned that
> the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
> that they do not float well in the water. Can
> someone tell me if this is true and if so why?

       ***s too big, brains too small. Like they say "buoys
will be buoys"!

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Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by James G. Ack » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00



:
: > I was watching a show on tv and they mentioned that
: > the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
: > that they do not float well in the water. Can
: > someone tell me if this is true and if so why?

        It's not true.

        Enith Brigitha, Chris Silva, Antony Nesty, Byron Davis, Sabir
Muhammad and Michael Norment proved that it's not true.

        The lower numbers of black swimmers at the world-class level
(compared to other sports) are primarily due to economics -- both the
availability of training facilities and the economic incentives of
professional sports.

        Jim Acker

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Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by anita jama » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00

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Quote:



> > I was watching a show on tv and they mentioned that
> > the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
> > that they do not float well in the water.

      This is perhaps the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard! Can you
REALLY believe this "theory"? If "Nergoes" don't float as well in water,
they must all drown in the bathtub, right? I ask you why are the best
swimmers from China, Russia, and the US? Could it be that more people
have in interest in it there than in other places?

Quote:
> Can
> > someone tell me if this is true and if so why?
>             No bud, this theory isn't true. People aren't more bouyant
> than others based on race, but body fat. Besides swimming has to do
> with development/useage of muscle and not fat. Since swimmers are more
> musclar than the average person and muscle weighs more than fat,
> according to your logic, swimmers should sink along w/ "Negroes".
> Correct?! Answer this question for me; why aren't Australians and
> South Africans, Mensa people, and whatever other group of people you
> cross posted to good swimmers? Why just "Negroes"? Could it be that
> maybe they aren't interested, don't have the skills, or didn't groe up
> in a community where swimming was a major activity/sport? To be
> honest, I can't believe that you had the nerve to post this to the
> Mensa ng of all places. What are you expecting, scientific
> confirmation? A little common sense will serve you better in the
> future! Especially before you post a stupid question like this.

>***s too big, brains too small. Like they say "buoys
> will be buoys"!
>           As for you Gunter, "NEGROES", HaHaHa, that sounds soo old
> fashioned!  Anyway, since when is swimming an indicator of
> intellegence? Oh, please!  The best swimmers of the past have been
> Eastern Europeans. Many of them have been caught/suspected of drug
> taking. Have they ever been accused of being brain trusts?!
> Whatever....
> --            As for this "dick" issue, that sounds like a PERSONAL
> problem to me. Don't blame others for your "short commings"! Besides
> since most women believe that that's where men keep their brains
> anyway, so MAYBE size (***, that is) IS relative to brain size. Your
> lacking of both is evidenced by this moronic post!

Anita

 
 
 

Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by Gunther Hathere » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
> Racist.

        Hong Kong, racist? don't believe you or we'd
hear about it from HK's NAACP, wouldn't we?

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Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by Kaij » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


> >Racist.

> I am not being a racist. While watching world class swimming events I have
> noticed that there is an absence of black representation. I am curious about
> the reasons. I once heard that African Americans had denser muscle tissue.
> i.e. volume/weight. I thought that this may have something to do with the
> swimming issue.

Is this time for the stupid question of all time to reappear?

Blacks have not entered competitive swimming because of the cost for that
training, and because the training centers are often in the suburbs, not in
the urban areas were most blacks live.  There are now young Black Americans
who are training in the swimming events, and hopefully by the 2008 Olympics in
Athens, some will be on the U.S. team.

Now can you take these moronic muscles/volume/weight "explanations" elsewhere?

Kaiju <always amazed at how stupid people can be...>

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Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by Joe » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
> "




> > > I was watching a show on tv and they mentioned that
> > > the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
> > > that they do not float well in the water.

>       This is perhaps the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard! Can you
> REALLY believe this "theory"? If "Nergoes" don't float as well in water,
> they must all drown in the bathtub, right? I ask you why are the best
> swimmers from China, Russia, and the US? Could it be that more people
> have in interest in it there than in other places?

> > Can
> > > someone tell me if this is true and if so why?

> Anita

Actually there ARE physiological differences between the races. This is a
fact that was well know up until about the 70s when it started to become
non-PC to say such things.
There were studies done on skulls for example that showed that on average,
people of Negroid descent have thicker skulls and more fluid between the
cranial case and the brain than caucasians.
This is the reason that black people are better boxers for example, since a
punch to the head renders one uncounscious by making the brain make contact
with the cranial case. More fluid between the brain and the cranium means
the brain is more effectively 'ballasted' in black people (in general).

On the other hand, it seems that the muscle reflex present in the abdominal
area is less developed in the negroid race than in the caucasian (again, on
average), as a result, generally, black people can take a blow to the
stomach somewhat less efficiently than whites, however, since the most
vulnerable area in boxing is ultimately your motor function generator (your
brain) overall, blacks do better at this sport.

I am not sure about the swimming issue (as to reason) but it remains a fact
which I have personal experience with (I used to swim competitevely at
national level in the UK when I was studying there). My personal opinion is
that it's probably a combination of factors. In general, a black person of
equal stature and weight to a white person will tend to have less body fat
and heavier bones. It may be that the heavier skeleton would cause somewhat
of a drop in efficiency, but this alone probably wouldn't be the 'thing'
that does it alone.

I think that the sense of rythm is perhaps not what black people are used
to. Swimming has (at competitive level especially) a very fast rythm
involving rather complex movements. While genrally black persons tend (in
my experience) to have a superior rythm in most instances, it has been my
observation that while they perform better at rythmical tasks of a certain
nature (dance for example) high-speed-techcnical rythms are somewhat more
difficult to instill in a black person than a white one. I am not sure as
to the reason for this.

In any event, physiological differences between the races are a fact, and
pretending none exist is dishonest. Using these differences to purport a
race's 'superiority' over another is similarly dishonest (as well as
fundamentally unjust, since we all have the same right to be here, you, me,
and the roaches taking over my kitchen).

I believe the study of human genetics from a historical point of view is
very important and should not be brushed under the carpet for the sake of
PC-science.
For example, there are more differences between certain races of humans
that there are between certain breeds of dogs that fall under different
family branchings, why then are humans not similarly classified? Because we
wouldn't want to offend anyone. This is sheer idiocy and of the same
scientific validity as saying the Earth is flat or that the Sun goes round
the Earth.

Face the fact: WE ARE DIFFERENT
Also, face the more important fact: Even if one race WAS intrinsically
'superior' to another (how would you measure it?!?!) this sayis NOTHING
about the intrinsic value of one over the other. The process of measuring
things next to each other has been given artificial value by humans.
Essentially, there is no difference in worth between any one of us and a
maggot, dung beetle, or rat.

Furthermore, given that each human being, regardless of race is completely
unique, comparisons can only be realtive by default and thus of no
intrinsic, fundamental 'value'.

Having said that, let's not pretend differences don't exist. They do. they
may have some curiosity value, perhaps even some medical value. If so let's
find out, but other than that, so what?
Personally I find the concept that 'we're all equal' is completely false
and distasteful. For example, it's obvious to me I'm much BETTER than all
of you! :-)

Regards,
Joe

 
 
 

Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by Jeff Weis » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> I was watching a show on tv and they mentioned that
> the reason why negroes are not champion swimmers is
> that they do not float well in the water. Can
> someone tell me if this is true and if so why?

I highly doubt you saw this on any decent TV show.   Black participation in
swimming has absolutely nothing to do with floating.  First of all, ANY
world-class swimmer would sink right to the bottom if they stopped moving.
Swimmers sink, fat people float.

Quote:
> I am not being a racist. While watching world class swimming events I have
> noticed that there is an absence of black representation. I am curious about
> the reasons. I once heard that African Americans had denser muscle tissue.
> i.e. volume/weight. I thought that this may have something to do with the
> swimming issue.

You're right, you're not being a racist, just stupid.

Hmm... I guess that means white folks must have some disability that prevents
them from being good Sumo wrestlers.  After all, you don't see too many white
people in the sport. Perhaps they aren't big enough, or don't have the balance.
Right?  Right?

Get a clue.

Jeff Weiss

 
 
 

Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by Donal Fag » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>Actually there ARE physiological differences between the races. This is a
>fact that was well know up until about the 70s when it started to become
>non-PC to say such things.
>There were studies done on skulls for example that showed that on average,
>people of Negroid descent have thicker skulls and more fluid between the
>cranial case and the brain than caucasians.
>This is the reason that black people are better boxers for example, since a
>punch to the head renders one uncounscious by making the brain make contact
>with the cranial case. More fluid between the brain and the cranium means
>the brain is more effectively 'ballasted' in black people (in general).

Thirty years ago, someone gave me a sports trivia book by a TV/Radio
personality named Bill Mazer.  He recounted how someone had asked him what
makes a great boxing champion.  He replied, "Poverty."  He thought it unlikely
that some upper or middle-class kid would slug his way to the top instead of
choosing another life option.  That makes a bit more sense to me than skull
armor (which hasn't protected Ali very well).

Twenty-five years ago, I swam against a few black kids.  They didn't sink.  In
fact, one of them killed us in the *** stroke.  But there weren't many of
them on the teams we swam against.

The existence of race-specific diseases indicates that there are some racial
differences, but I suspect that, in this case, the economic arguments make a
bit more sense.

There was a very interesting article by Malcolm Gladwell in the New Yorker a
few years ago.  Gladwell had been a runner and was explaining a theory about
why certain distances in that sport are dominated by Africans, Jamaicans and
African-Americans.  The theory is that Africans have the entire original gene
pool; the rest of us lost something through breeding in splinter populations.  
Therefore, Africans should have the greatest range of genetic potential, from
the greatest athlete or scholar or artist to the worst stumblebum or ignoramous
or philistine.  Interesting theory.

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Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by Big Do » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Blacks have not entered competitive swimming because of the cost for that
> training, and because the training centers are often in the suburbs, not in
> the urban areas were most blacks live.  There are now young Black Americans
> who are training in the swimming events, and hopefully by the 2008 Olympics in
> Athens, some will be on the U.S. team.

Big Don would expect Africans to do quite well in swimming.  In fact,
African training "methods" were recently adopted in Australia where a
swim coach has discovered that tossing crocodiles in the pool encourages
swimmers to go faster.  No shit, CNN showed footage of this training
activity a couple weeks ago...

Big Don
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Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by Gregory LaMont Case » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Hello,

This question seems to always creep up from time to time.  Well let me say that
there are many Black people that swim and compete.  There are many other
swimming competitions that are never televised in the US.  I have lived in many
countries where people of color are dominate.  I have swam and worked with
them.  We have trained together.  They are out there.  It is just that one must
look for them.

To give you some examples of the rest of the world and swimming (All based on my
experience).  There are swimming groups that compete in the middle east and
Northern, Southern and Central Africa.  You never hear of them.  Many people do
not even know that they exist.  I was talking to a brother from Ghana about his
swimming group and their training.  There are swimming competitions where you
have the asian countries participate.  No US, just many of the countries in that
region.  I attended one of the HBCUs (Historic Black Colleges and Universities)
and there you find many great swimmers.  These people tend to go unnoticed.

I was talking to member of the Southern Pacific Masters Aquatics Group and he
even admitted that there is not a great deal of recruitment with regards to
Black people.  The masters groups here in Los Angeles are no where near where
large Black populations.  So if you live in a black community, be prepared to
drive miles just to swim for a couple of hours and drive back.

Well that is it from me.  We are out there doing our own thing.  For those
interested you have to get out and look for us.

Quote:


> >Racist.

> I am not being a racist. While watching world class swimming events I have
> noticed that there is an absence of black representation. I am curious about
> the reasons. I once heard that African Americans had denser muscle tissue.
> i.e. volume/weight. I thought that this may have something to do with the
> swimming issue.

 
 
 

Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by Kaij » Thu, 22 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> >Is this time for the stupid question of all time to reappear?

> >Blacks have not entered competitive swimming because of the cost for that
> >training, and because the training centers are often in the suburbs, not in
> >the urban areas were most blacks live.  There are now young Black Americans
> >who are training in the swimming events, and hopefully by the 2008 Olympics
> in
> >Athens, some will be on the U.S. team.

> >Now can you take these moronic muscles/volume/weight "explanations"
> elsewhere?

> >Kaiju <always amazed at how stupid people can be...>

>     No need to get emotional Kaiju, It was a simple question, posted with no
> offence intended. I originally sent this post only to sci.anthropology, but
> someone else decided to send it to all the rest of the groups.
>     African Americans lead the world in running events. I suspect there are
> biological reasons behind that.

There are African Americans who couldn't run away from a snail on a good day
with a strong wind behind them.  These global pronouncements that there is
some biological reason why African Americans are good runners is moronic.  The
available phenotypes among African Americans are to broad to support
generalizations of this type.

Quote:
> I don't think it is because whites have less
> access to training facilities.
>     I do not mind admitting the above, because it is true.
>     I thought that mabe it were biological, not just social reasons why
> there was less African American reperesentation at world class level
> swimming.

However, some sports require little financial investment, chiefly basketball,
track, and football.  These sports also provide a way out of poverty.
Therefore these sports have traditionally received greater focus among African
Americans, resulting in superb achievements.  Sometimes the answer to "simple
questions" is equally simple.  

Quote:
>     I was hoping for unemotional, scientific discussion on this topic, but
> maybe I was expecting too much.

Every six months, somebody posts some bone headed theory like this on SCAA.
It is tired.  If this is all you "scientists" can come up with, why bother?
One would think that you could use this intelligence you profess and figure
out that if you stand 10 randomly selected blacks side by side, you are not
going to be able to draw any scientific conclusion as why blacks don't swim.
You especially won't since most blacks *do* swim, especially if they are
*taught* to swim.  Are blacks such mysteries to you that you would even
consider such questions that you've posed to have merit?  Why??

Quote:
>     Once and for all, I did not think that my question was offensive.

It was totally offensive.

Quote:
> I am a scientist. In science, no matter how improbable something seems you
> cannot rule it out without empirical evidence. Saying a question is moronic
> is very unscientific.

Sometimes so-called scientific investigation is moronic.  Check out Shockley's
theories.  Your questions was entirely moronic.

Kaiju

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Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by Jason William » Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Racist.

I am not being a racist. While watching world class swimming events I have
noticed that there is an absence of black representation. I am curious about
the reasons. I once heard that African Americans had denser muscle tissue.
i.e. volume/weight. I thought that this may have something to do with the
swimming issue.
 
 
 

Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by Jason William » Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I am sorry if I offended anyone as it was not my intention.
I am not a racist OK!!!
Quote:

>Racist.

 
 
 

Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by BAYCITVIDG » Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>Racist.

        q   No...just not factual in history.

            But it is true in all sports.  Why
        no more white guys going out for pro football
        as in the past?  Why no more white guys going
        out for basketball as in the past?  

            Now Golf is equalized.  The head man
            is an African/Asian/American.  I love
            it.

            The Asian part being so highly skilled.  
            That shakes a lot of Jerk-offs off.  

          Having lived in Hawaii for so long it
        just sings a different song than those who
]       have not...LOCAL BOY makes good. Has differnt
        connotes when liv'm in da kine.  

        True...very few African/Americans in the sport.

        I remember the swim team I was on and we had
        a big African/American diver...he took three
        years worth of titles.  

        And by the way: could he swim.  

        isn't there an upcoming swimmer from South
        America who is black...?  or South Africa?

        maybe he will be a role model for the
        next generation of negroe swimmers as you
        claim...to be their names....

        Tiger Woods broke the mold.  So why not
        someone else in swimming.  

        How come there are so few African/American
        water polo players in the pools ?  

        I don't know.  

        bill conduit
        etc.

 
 
 

Why negroes aren't champion swimmers

Post by Big Do » Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> The masters groups here in Los Angeles are no where near where
> large Black populations.  So if you live in a black community, be prepared to
> drive miles just to swim for a couple of hours and drive back.

The concept of a swimming pool in a black community is not practical.
There would be so much theivery from the locker room you couldn't
realistically use the facility...

Big Don
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