Spitz Could Have Done It If Only He Had ....

Spitz Could Have Done It If Only He Had ....

Post by Bruce Chen » Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:20:59


Mark Spitz failed miserably in his attempt to return
to the Olympics after an 18 year layoff. He didn't
even qualify to go the US Olympic Trials!  He stated
afterwards (this is paraphrased): "If I can't do it,
it can't be done!"

Well, the most recent issue of SWIM magazine has an
article by Dr. Phil Whitten about his research into
perfomance vs. age.  The conclusion about Spitz was
that IF HE HAD KEPT SWIMMING instead of laying off
for 18 years, he would have had a very good shot at
making the team.  Phil's projected time for Spitz if
he hadn't layed off would have put him in third at the
trials by just few hundreths.  As the article states:
Tantalizingly close to an Olympic berth.

Bruce Cheney

 
 
 

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Post by James Peter » Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:26:56

Quote:

>Mark Spitz failed miserably in his attempt to return
>to the Olympics after an 18 year layoff. He didn't
>even qualify to go the US Olympic Trials!  He stated
>afterwards (this is paraphrased): "If I can't do it,
>it can't be done!"

>Well, the most recent issue of SWIM magazine has an
>article by Dr. Phil Whitten about his research into
>perfomance vs. age.  The conclusion about Spitz was
>that IF HE HAD KEPT SWIMMING instead of laying off
>for 18 years, he would have had a very good shot at
>making the team.  Phil's projected time for Spitz if
>he hadn't layed off would have put him in third at the
>trials by just few hundreths.  As the article states:
>Tantalizingly close to an Olympic berth.

>Bruce Cheney

it should be noted that phil whitten is a doctor of philosophy in history
not sports psyhiology or biomedical engineering. he is presently on sab-
bactical from harvard and writing a book about swimming. phil is a member
of New England Masters and has organized a dual fax meet between NEM and
Kiev, of the former soviet union, masters the past two years. a truly unique
event. my russian medal from the first meet is one of my most prized poss-
essions.
i do not want to distract from the original post for i agree with phil's
assessment that if spitz had stuck with it his odds at making the cut would
have been much greater. it was a good article and reflects phil's impeccable
research and attention to detail. i think he knows a bit about swimming
also ;).

take care,


 
 
 

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Post by Lee Casu » Sat, 25 Jul 1992 07:56:36

Quote:
> Mark Spitz failed miserably in his attempt to return
> to the Olympics after an 18 year layoff. He didn't
> even qualify to go the US Olympic Trials!  He stated
> afterwards (this is paraphrased): "If I can't do it,
> it can't be done!"

> Well, the most recent issue of SWIM magazine has an
> article by Dr. Phil Whitten about his research into
> perfomance vs. age.  The conclusion about Spitz was
> that IF HE HAD KEPT SWIMMING instead of laying off
> for 18 years, he would have had a very good shot at
> making the team.  Phil's projected time for Spitz if
> he hadn't layed off would have put him in third at the
> trials by just few hundreths.  As the article states:
> Tantalizingly close to an Olympic berth.

> Bruce Cheney
> ----------

I can't remember where I found this out, talk show, news paper article,
wherever...

It seems that during his training, Spitz slacked off during the workouts.
(Like in skipping portions of sets, then claiming to have done the set.)
I remember the interviewer stating their disappointment in the attitude
presented.  I'm sure the layoff hurt, but I believe the attitude problem
was a bigger obstacle.  Whether Spitz could have gotten fast enough to
qualify is another story entirely.

l\

 
 
 

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Post by Chris Pra » Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:04:00


Quote:
>> Mark Spitz failed miserably in his attempt to return
>> to the Olympics after an 18 year layoff. He didn't
>> even qualify to go the US Olympic Trials!  He stated
>> afterwards (this is paraphrased): "If I can't do it,
>> it can't be done!"

>> Well, the most recent issue of SWIM magazine has an
>> article by Dr. Phil Whitten about his research into
>> perfomance vs. age.  The conclusion about Spitz was
>> that IF HE HAD KEPT SWIMMING instead of laying off
>> for 18 years, he would have had a very good shot at
>> making the team.  Phil's projected time for Spitz if
>> he hadn't layed off would have put him in third at the
>> trials by just few hundreths.  As the article states:
>> Tantalizingly close to an Olympic berth.

>> Bruce Cheney
>> ----------

> I can't remember where I found this out, talk show, news paper article,
> wherever...

> It seems that during his training, Spitz slacked off during the workouts.
> (Like in skipping portions of sets, then claiming to have done the set.)
> I remember the interviewer stating their disappointment in the attitude
> presented.  I'm sure the layoff hurt, but I believe the attitude problem
> was a bigger obstacle.  Whether Spitz could have gotten fast enough to
> qualify is another story entirely.

> l\

When Spitz's time came out and it was obvious that he would not make it,
our coach said that Spitz would have made it if he had taken 3 years to
do it.  Apparently 1 years is not enough.  

Of course, if he was really slacking his workouts, 10 years would not
have been enough.

Chris Prael

 
 
 

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Post by Dan Ti » Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:21:33

There is a heated discussion about the use of *** by the Chinese
swimmers in the game in soc.culture.china.

My question to the net is: How the drug test is conducted in the game?
Do you guys noticed any unusual physical features on those swimmers?

Also, is it generally harder to test on females then on males?
I noticed that most of those who got caught are male.

--dan--

 
 
 

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Post by apl.. » Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:12:09

Quote:
> Also, is it generally harder to test on females then on males?
> I noticed that most of those who got caught are male.

Ya, I've wondered about this for some time.  I remember when the Ben
Johnson thing blew up, the local press went wild with interviewing coaches
and athletes from several sports.  The one quote that sticks out in my mind
reportedly came from a swim coach in Washington State who said that if
you give steroids to male swimmers you don't get much, but given to a female
swimmer you get a female swimming like a male.
 
 
 

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Post by Harry Y » Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:05:14

Quote:

>My question to the net is: How the drug test is conducted in the game?

        I remember there was a thread on this topic a while ago.  The
conclusion is that swimmers have to remain in the pool after the race
and***with the body facing the wall with built-in drug test device.
But I did NOT notice people pissing after their swims.  :)  Besides, I
don't think they change the water after every race.  Then where does
the urine go.

Quote:
>I noticed that most of those who got caught are male.

        An article in Runner's World (Oct '91?) with a study of cheaters
in Marathons claimed that most of the cheaters in athletic (or maybe just
marathoning) competicions are male.  Psychologosts said that it's because
males have a much stronger emphasis on winning, while the females focus
more on real performance.

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Post by Judge R » Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:42:00

Quote:

>> Also, is it generally harder to test on females then on males?
>> I noticed that most of those who got caught are male.
>you give steroids to male swimmers you don't get much, but given to a female
>swimmer you get a female swimming like a male.

And in the case of Angel Martino (Myers) talking like a man aswell.

Judge Raz.

 
 
 

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Post by Brendan Maho » Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:24:12


Quote:
>Also, is it generally harder to test on females then on males?
>I noticed that most of those who got caught are male.

Haven't you heard the story of the identical urine samples.
Apparently women are able to hide test tubes of other people's urine where
polite people don't look.

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