Butterfly Breathing

Butterfly Breathing

Post by Mayst » Mon, 02 Feb 1998 04:00:00


I am still wondering if anyone has anything to say about side
breathing vs. forward breathing in the butterfly. I have a swimmer who
is very curious and anxious for this information. Please, if you have
anything either way, respond.

 
 
 

Butterfly Breathing

Post by Tony Jans » Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>I am still wondering if anyone has anything to say about side
>breathing vs. forward breathing in the butterfly. I have a swimmer who
>is very curious and anxious for this information. Please, if you have
>anything either way, respond.

I will admit that fly is not my best stroke.  However, in experimenting, I
have found that there is an easier way to breath.  I do not breath by
lifting my head forward or turning it to the side.  I generally breath while
looking straight down at the water - my head does not come more than a
fraction of an inch above the water.  The main advantages can be seen by
first looking at the disadvantages of the other methods of breathing.

Forward breathing.  This put's a lot of energy in the up/down motion.  A lot
of energy is spent trying to lift your head, and why?  Do you need to have
your face 1 foot above the water to breath.  I think not.  This is not
efficient.  It also throws off your body position.  Lifting your head has a
tendency to tilt your body.  This blows your streemline position.  The
result:  you slow down and work harder to go slower.

Side breathing.  Take a look at most people doing this.  Their face is
already far enough above water, they don't need to turn their head to the
side.  This just throws off your rhythm.

Instead, the best way is to keep the body as straight and flat as possible.
 The whole head is lifted up just enough to find a pocket of air without
tilting/tipping the head.  You will still be looking down at the time.  It
is actually something that will come naturally, if you adjust the right
amount of upward thrust in your pull.  But most thrust should be to propel
you forward, not up.  You just give it a little extra upward thrust when you
want to breath.  This is not something that can be described to well in
words.  What I can say is that you just need to get in the pool and try to
feel the water.  Feel the motion and perfect the technique based on feel.  
When it feels "easier" it is probably more streamlined and efficient, and
thus better.  Go by feel, not look.

Remember, you get more power if you keep everything in one plane.  This is
true in both swimming and karatee.

Good luck.

 
 
 

Butterfly Breathing

Post by Ryan Vacc » Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:00:00

But doesn't breathing foward and stretching your chin out help you dip your
chest, thus raising your hips?

Quote:


>>I am still wondering if anyone has anything to say about side
>>breathing vs. forward breathing in the butterfly. I have a swimmer who
>>is very curious and anxious for this information. Please, if you have
>>anything either way, respond.

>I will admit that fly is not my best stroke.  However, in experimenting, I
>have found that there is an easier way to breath.  I do not breath by
>lifting my head forward or turning it to the side.  I generally breath
while
>looking straight down at the water - my head does not come more than a
>fraction of an inch above the water.  The main advantages can be seen by
>first looking at the disadvantages of the other methods of breathing.

>Forward breathing.  This put's a lot of energy in the up/down motion.  A
lot
>of energy is spent trying to lift your head, and why?  Do you need to have
>your face 1 foot above the water to breath.  I think not.  This is not
>efficient.  It also throws off your body position.  Lifting your head has a
>tendency to tilt your body.  This blows your streemline position.  The
>result:  you slow down and work harder to go slower.

>Side breathing.  Take a look at most people doing this.  Their face is
>already far enough above water, they don't need to turn their head to the
>side.  This just throws off your rhythm.

>Instead, the best way is to keep the body as straight and flat as possible.
> The whole head is lifted up just enough to find a pocket of air without
>tilting/tipping the head.  You will still be looking down at the time.  It
>is actually something that will come naturally, if you adjust the right
>amount of upward thrust in your pull.  But most thrust should be to propel
>you forward, not up.  You just give it a little extra upward thrust when
you
>want to breath.  This is not something that can be described to well in
>words.  What I can say is that you just need to get in the pool and try to
>feel the water.  Feel the motion and perfect the technique based on feel.
>When it feels "easier" it is probably more streamlined and efficient, and
>thus better.  Go by feel, not look.

>Remember, you get more power if you keep everything in one plane.  This is
>true in both swimming and karatee.

>Good luck.


 
 
 

Butterfly Breathing

Post by Anto » Thu, 05 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Interesting point - I will give that a try at tonight's training and
report back tomorrow!

Anton.

 
 
 

Butterfly Breathing

Post by Bea and Marvin Jone » Thu, 05 Feb 1998 04:00:00


<-snip->

: Remember, you get more power if you keep everything in one plane.  
: This is true in both swimming and karatee.

...and in a stealth bomber.  <g>

Jonesy

 
 
 

Butterfly Breathing

Post by Anto » Fri, 06 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Well, I tried that breathing technique and can't say it was a great
help.  I found that my mouth wasn't out of the water until I was pretty
much looking forwards, anyway.  Although it is worth testing some more
when it there is calmer water in the lane.

Whenever I stuff around with breathing methods in fly, it usually
results in one or two mouthfuls of water at some stage of the session!

Anton.

 
 
 

Butterfly Breathing

Post by Jeremy Mitchel » Mon, 09 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>Forward breathing.  This put's a lot of energy in the up/down motion.  A
lot
>of energy is spent trying to lift your head, and why?  Do you need to have
>your face 1 foot above the water to breath.  I think not.  This is not
>efficient.  It also throws off your body position.  Lifting your head has a
>tendency to tilt your body.  This blows your streemline position.  The
>result:  you slow down and work harder to go slower.

as a butterflier and someone that is always out of shape....
I have found that yes taking your head a foot out of the water will greatly
slow you down I personally had a on going problem with this but i found i
could easily take off 2 or 3 seconds a 100 by letting my chin skim the top
of the water

just simple head positioning will tell you that breating to the side or
front very close to the water requires your head to be out of the water less
to prove this i suggest floating on your stomach without moving and breath
try it both ways and just see how much more effort you need to exert to
breath with your head down...


 
 
 

Butterfly Breathing

Post by Nate Gord » Sat, 28 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>I am still wondering if anyone has anything to say about side
>breathing vs. forward breathing in the butterfly. I have a swimmer who
>is very curious and anxious for this information. Please, if you have
>anything either way, respond.

When Melvin Stewart began publicizing the side breathing, he said that
it was easier because you did not have to lift your head up as high.
Well, yes...the way many people learn to swim butterfly. However, as a
young freestyler/backstroker who evolved into a butterflier by my
senior year of high school, I can testify that I became a much better
flier when I learned that I was supposed to breath FORWARD, not UP.
The up and down motion in fly should be limited from the shoulders up
as much as possible, without sacrificing the hip-and-leg undulation;
if done properly, the head is barely lifted out of the water, just
enough to breath - think of it as lifting the chin up so that the
mouth can breath, not as lifting your head out. If done properly, the
head gets no higher out of the water than in side breathing, without
the unbalanced motion of turning the head to the side.

Nate

Nate Gordon

"The sea was angry that day, my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli."

 
 
 

Butterfly Breathing

Post by DidUReal » Sun, 01 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>I am still wondering if anyone has anything to say about side
>breathing vs. forward breathing in the butterfly.

:::SNIP:::

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about?   Just keep your head in the water and
let your gills do the work.

-Jay

 
 
 

Butterfly Breathing

Post by BAYCITVIDG » Sun, 01 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>>I am still wondering if anyone has anything to say about side
>>breathing vs. forward breathing in the butterfly. I have a swimmer
who
>>is very curious and anxious for this information. Please, if you have
>>anything either way, respond.

    If people learn the stroke with emphasis
        on the kick in order to bring the arms
        over on that next rotation...the kick
        begins that stroke...pull through
        and kick and then the big kick gets the
        body uplifted.

        I learned how to do the dolpin first...
        then added the stroke later...

            this then got my body high as i kicked
        thump-stroke-thump=stroke

        If you notice that when you do the kicking
        only how the body elevates when you do the
        power kick and then the stabilizing kick
        is done next and then stroke..etc

        putting arms on a kick board and face in
        water facing ahead...the movement of the
        kicks raises the head...breathes are taken
        and etc.

        it's how you learn it... if you learn how to
        stroke first...most kids gasp for air...get
        water in mouths a lot...not good technique.

        then there is keeping teh head in water
        and breathing every third or fourth stroke
        in combination with kick...

        many ways to do dolphin/butterfly...

        a proper power kick is essential...that is
        when the breathes are taken...frontal or
        side...under arm-pit...

        bill conduit
        etc.