China's swimming swoon: Part 2

China's swimming swoon: Part 2

Post by gendr.. » Mon, 05 Aug 1996 04:00:00


How badly did the Chinese women's swim team fall apart between the
Chinese Olympic trials (April 1-7, 1996) and the Olympics (July 20-26,
1996)?  Tables 1, 2, and 3 below provide detailed data on the performances
of the Chinese women's swim team at the Chinese trials and the Olympics.  

Table 1 gives a general indication:

Name            Average % change between Chinese trials and Olympics
                "-" = better at Olympics, "+" = worse at Olympics

Lin Li          -0.36   2 events
Le Jingyi       -0.24   2 events
Liu Limin       -0.05   2 events
Han Xue         +0.10   1 event
Qu Yun          +0.46   1 event
Cai Huijue      +1.43   1 event
Shan Ying       +2.27   3 events
Chen Yan        +2.36   6 events
Yuan Yuan       +3.02   2 events
Wu Yuanyan      +4.15   3 events
He Cihong       +4.59   1 event

Three swimmers showed reasonble improvements (Lin Li through Liu Limin).  
These three were the only individual medalists and are all hold-overs
from the period preceding 1995, when nine*** Chinese swimmers tested
positive for performance enhancing ***.  Three swimmers showed reasonble
increases in time (Han Xue through Cai Huijeu).  Five swimmers showed
exceptional time increases (Shan Ying through He Cihong).  

Non-swimmers will probably not appreciate the magnitude of Chen Yan's drop
off from 4:11.33 for 400 free at the Chinese trials to 4:22.55 at the
Olympics, or Wu Yanyan's 2:14.06 200 back at the trials to 2:20.89 at the
Olypmics.  Swimmers will.  These two examples, and many others you will
see below, show huge preformance deterioration in just 3.5 months.

Ed  

See tables below:  

                                  TABLE 2

Col 1   Col 2           Col 3   Col 4   Col 5   Col 6      Col 7   Col 8

                        China   Olympic Olympic % change   Olym  Olmpc plc
EVENT   NAME            Trials  Prelims Finals              Plc  (China trl)

50 fr   Le Jingyi       24.93   25.10   24.90   -0.12        2       2
50 fr   Shan Ying       25.36   25.71   25.70    1.34        7       5

100 fr  Le Jingyi       54.69   54.90   54.50   -0.35        1       1
100 fr  Shan Ying       54.59   56.10   55.74    2.11        9       2

200 fr  Chen Yan        2:00.24 2:03.32 N/A      2.56      16(prlm)  6
200 fr  Shan Ying       2:00.24 2:04.29 N/A      3.37        23      6

400 fr  Chen Yan        4:11.33 4:22.55 N/A      4.46        29      7
400 fr  Zhang Chanying  4:15.48 N/A     N/A      N/A         N/A    N/A

800 fr  Chen Yan        8:37.41 8:45.32 N/A      1.53      12(prlm)  5
800 fr  Pu Yiqi         8:37.99 N/A     N/A      N/A         N/A    N/A

100 ba  Chen Yan        1:02.71 1:02.62 1:02.50 -0.33        5       8
100 ba  He Cihong       1:02.98 1:05.87 N/A      4.59        26      11

200 ba  Chen Yan        2:12.63 2:14.74 2:14.37  1.31        11      4
200 ba  Wu Yanyan       2:14.06 2:20.89 N/A      5.09        28      7

100 br  Han Xue         1:09.83 1:10.40 1:09.90  0.10         9      9
100 br  Yuan Yuan       1:09.96 1:11.65 N/A      2.42        24      9

200 br  Yuan Yuan       2:28.53 2:33.89 N/A      3.61        24      8
200 br  Lin Li          2:30.64 2:30.64 2:33.45  0.00        16     13

100 fly Liu Limin       0:59.57 1:00.18 0:59.14 -0.72         2      4
100 fly Cai Huijue      0:59.61 1:00.89 1:00.46  1.43         7      4

200 fly Qu Yun          2:09.66 2:11.35 2:10.26  0.46         4      2
200 fly Liu Limin       2:09.88 2:13.12 2:10.70  0.63         5      3

200 IM  Wu Yanyan       2:12.87 2:16.55 2:16.71  2.77        10      1
200 IM  Lin Li          2:15.70 2:16.31 2:14.74 -0.71         3      5

400 IM  Chen Yan        4:40.85 4:53.87 N/A      4.64        17      2
400 IM  Wu Yanyan       4:41.20 4:54.07 N/A      4.58        18      2

Column 1:  Event (fr=free, ba=back, br=***)
Column 2:  swimmer's name
Column 3:  time at the Chinese Olympic trials, April 1-7, 1996
Column 4:  time at Olympic prelims, July 20-26, 1996
           N/A = not applicable, swimmer did not compete
Column 5:  time at Olympic finals
Column 6:  percentage difference between the Chinese Olympic trials time,
           and the faster of the Olympic prelim and Olympic final time
Column 7:  Place at Olympics
Column 8:  Place the swimmer would have gotten at the Olympics if she had
           equalled her time at the Chinese Olympic trials

                              TABLE 3

Col 1   Col 2           Col 3   Col 4   Col 5           Col 6

                        China   Olympic Olympic         % change
EVENT   NAME            Trials  Prelims Finals          *see note

50 fr   Shan Ying       25.36   25.71   25.70           1.34
100 fr  Shan Ying       54.59   56.10   55.74           2.11
200 fr  Shan Ying       2:00.24 2:04.29 N/A             3.37

100 fly Cai Huijue      0:59.61 1:00.89 1:00.46         1.43

200 fr  Chen Yan        2:00.24 2:03.32 N/A             2.56
400 fr  Chen Yan        4:11.33 4:22.55 N/A             4.46
800 fr  Chen Yan        8:37.41 8:45.32 N/A             1.53
100 ba  Chen Yan        1:02.71 1:02.62 1:02.50         -0.33
200 ba  Chen Yan        2:12.63 2:14.74 2:14.37         1.31
400 IM  Chen Yan        4:40.85 4:53.87 N/A             4.64

100 br  Han Xue         1:09.83 1:10.40 1:09.90         0.10

100 ba  He Cihong       1:02.98 1:05.87 N/A             4.59

50 fr   Le Jingyi       24.93   25.10   24.90           -0.12
100 fr  Le Jingyi       54.69   54.90   54.50           -0.35

200 br  Lin Li          2:30.64 2:30.64 2:33.45         0.00
200 IM  Lin Li          2:15.70 2:16.31 2:14.74         -0.71

100 fly Liu Limin       0:59.57 1:00.18 0:59.14         -0.72
200 fly Liu Limin       2:09.88 2:13.12 2:10.70         0.63

800 fr  Pu Yiqi         8:37.99 N/A     N/A             N/A

200 fly Qu Yun          2:09.66 2:11.35 2:10.26         0.46

200 ba  Wu Yanyan       2:14.06 2:20.89 N/A             5.09
200 IM  Wu Yanyan       2:12.87 2:16.55 2:16.71         2.77
400 IM  Wu Yanyan       4:41.20 4:54.07 N/A             4.58

100 br  Yuan Yuan       1:09.96 1:11.65 N/A             2.42
200 br  Yuan Yuan       2:28.53 2:33.89 N/A             3.61

400 fr  Zhang Chanying  4:15.48 N/A     N/A             N/A

Column 1:  Event (fr=free, ba=back, br=***)
Column 2:  swimmer's name
Column 3:  time at the Chinese Olympic trials, April 1-7, 1996
Column 4:  time at Olympic prelims, July 20-26, 1996
           N/A = not applicable, swimmer did not compete
Column 5:  time at Olympic finals
Column 6:  percentage difference between the Chinese Olympic trials time,
           and the faster of the Olympic prelim and Olympic final time

 
 
 

China's swimming swoon: Part 2

Post by Zhengyang » Tue, 06 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Dear anonymous fact-presenter:

You have forgotten a very important fact: 1996 Olympics was held in USA, which
uses to be famous for her *** and unfairness. I am wondering why there
went a fire-alarm in the building there chinese wimmers lived, but not in the
building the American swimmers lived. And, why was there no Chinese food for
the Chinese team? Why could they not provide buses in time to atheles from
other countries, while american atheles have no such problems?

Too many factors have to considered, dear anonymous. BTW, China lost two gold
in woman swimming by 0.01 s and 0.03 s respectively. Maybe you don't know that
the American swimmers started > 0.1 s earlier than the Chinese swimmers did.
Someone was talking about a "close cooperation between the judges and the
American swimmers", can you deny it? The bad mode of American audience also
affects the performance of athelets from other countries. Just look at the
gymnastic team competition. When an American girl succeded, the whole audience
applauded and cooked. They just don't care that there were girls from
other countries were still performing their programs, and the terrible noise
affected their concentration and performance. The american girls were good, but
I also believe that the audience also gave them a huge help in beating their
competitors. I am sure that USA could never be so *** if this Olympics
was held in another country.

So, don't be stupid. Chinese woman swimmers will beat you again outside USA.
Just wait for it.

Another thing. THis Olympics applied much more restrict drug control, so
USA did not get any thing in man 100 meter race, nor in 4 X 100 meter relay. Is
it something for you to ask why, besides the poor performance of Chinese
woman swimmers? And, why Mickel Jonson was allowed to use a pair of
"performance enhancing" shoes?

Sorry if I have been wrong. But I think that sport should only stay as sport.
Doping problem is very wide spread, so don't just accuse Chinese. To be fair,
to be friendly is a sport event than to be suspicious and unfair.

Quote:

>How badly did the Chinese women's swim team fall apart between the
>Chinese Olympic trials (April 1-7, 1996) and the Olympics (July 20-26,
>1996)?  Tables 1, 2, and 3 below provide detailed data on the performances
>of the Chinese women's swim team at the Chinese trials and the Olympics.  
>Table 1 gives a general indication:
>Name                Average % change between Chinese trials and Olympics
>                "-" = better at Olympics, "+" = worse at Olympics
>Lin Li              -0.36   2 events
>Le Jingyi   -0.24   2 events
>Liu Limin   -0.05   2 events
>Han Xue             +0.10   1 event
>Qu Yun              +0.46   1 event
>Cai Huijue  +1.43   1 event
>Shan Ying   +2.27   3 events
>Chen Yan    +2.36   6 events
>Yuan Yuan   +3.02   2 events
>Wu Yuanyan  +4.15   3 events
>He Cihong   +4.59   1 event
>Three swimmers showed reasonble improvements (Lin Li through Liu Limin).  
>These three were the only individual medalists and are all hold-overs
>from the period preceding 1995, when nine*** Chinese swimmers tested
>positive for performance enhancing ***.  Three swimmers showed reasonble
>increases in time (Han Xue through Cai Huijeu).  Five swimmers showed
>exceptional time increases (Shan Ying through He Cihong).  
>Non-swimmers will probably not appreciate the magnitude of Chen Yan's drop
>off from 4:11.33 for 400 free at the Chinese trials to 4:22.55 at the
>Olympics, or Wu Yanyan's 2:14.06 200 back at the trials to 2:20.89 at the
>Olypmics.  Swimmers will.  These two examples, and many others you will
>see below, show huge preformance deterioration in just 3.5 months.
>Ed  
>See tables below:  
>                                  TABLE 2
>Col 1       Col 2           Col 3   Col 4   Col 5   Col 6      Col 7   Col 8

>                    China   Olympic Olympic % change   Olym  Olmpc plc
>EVENT       NAME            Trials  Prelims Finals              Plc  (China trl)
>50 fr       Le Jingyi       24.93   25.10   24.90   -0.12        2       2
>50 fr       Shan Ying       25.36   25.71   25.70    1.34        7       5

>100 fr      Le Jingyi       54.69   54.90   54.50   -0.35        1       1
>100 fr      Shan Ying       54.59   56.10   55.74    2.11        9       2

>200 fr      Chen Yan        2:00.24 2:03.32 N/A      2.56      16(prlm)  6
>200 fr      Shan Ying       2:00.24 2:04.29 N/A      3.37        23      6

>400 fr      Chen Yan        4:11.33 4:22.55 N/A      4.46        29      7
>400 fr      Zhang Chanying  4:15.48 N/A     N/A      N/A         N/A    N/A

>800 fr      Chen Yan        8:37.41 8:45.32 N/A      1.53      12(prlm)  5
>800 fr      Pu Yiqi         8:37.99 N/A     N/A      N/A         N/A    N/A

>100 ba      Chen Yan        1:02.71 1:02.62 1:02.50 -0.33        5       8
>100 ba      He Cihong       1:02.98 1:05.87 N/A      4.59        26      11

>200 ba      Chen Yan        2:12.63 2:14.74 2:14.37  1.31        11      4
>200 ba      Wu Yanyan       2:14.06 2:20.89 N/A      5.09        28      7

>100 br      Han Xue         1:09.83 1:10.40 1:09.90  0.10         9      9
>100 br      Yuan Yuan       1:09.96 1:11.65 N/A      2.42        24      9

>200 br      Yuan Yuan       2:28.53 2:33.89 N/A      3.61        24      8
>200 br      Lin Li          2:30.64 2:30.64 2:33.45  0.00        16     13

>100 fly     Liu Limin       0:59.57 1:00.18 0:59.14 -0.72         2      4
>100 fly     Cai Huijue      0:59.61 1:00.89 1:00.46  1.43         7      4

>200 fly     Qu Yun          2:09.66 2:11.35 2:10.26  0.46         4      2
>200 fly     Liu Limin       2:09.88 2:13.12 2:10.70  0.63         5      3

>200 IM      Wu Yanyan       2:12.87 2:16.55 2:16.71  2.77        10      1
>200 IM      Lin Li          2:15.70 2:16.31 2:14.74 -0.71         3      5

>400 IM      Chen Yan        4:40.85 4:53.87 N/A      4.64        17      2
>400 IM      Wu Yanyan       4:41.20 4:54.07 N/A      4.58        18      2
>Column 1:  Event (fr=free, ba=back, br=***)
>Column 2:  swimmer's name
>Column 3:  time at the Chinese Olympic trials, April 1-7, 1996
>Column 4:  time at Olympic prelims, July 20-26, 1996
>           N/A = not applicable, swimmer did not compete
>Column 5:  time at Olympic finals
>Column 6:  percentage difference between the Chinese Olympic trials time,
>           and the faster of the Olympic prelim and Olympic final time
>Column 7:  Place at Olympics
>Column 8:  Place the swimmer would have gotten at the Olympics if she had
>           equalled her time at the Chinese Olympic trials
>                              TABLE 3
>Col 1       Col 2           Col 3   Col 4   Col 5           Col 6

>                    China   Olympic Olympic         % change
>EVENT       NAME            Trials  Prelims Finals          *see note
>50 fr       Shan Ying       25.36   25.71   25.70           1.34
>100 fr      Shan Ying       54.59   56.10   55.74           2.11
>200 fr      Shan Ying       2:00.24 2:04.29 N/A             3.37
>100 fly     Cai Huijue      0:59.61 1:00.89 1:00.46         1.43
>200 fr      Chen Yan        2:00.24 2:03.32 N/A             2.56
>400 fr      Chen Yan        4:11.33 4:22.55 N/A             4.46
>800 fr      Chen Yan        8:37.41 8:45.32 N/A             1.53
>100 ba      Chen Yan        1:02.71 1:02.62 1:02.50         -0.33
>200 ba      Chen Yan        2:12.63 2:14.74 2:14.37         1.31
>400 IM      Chen Yan        4:40.85 4:53.87 N/A             4.64
>100 br      Han Xue         1:09.83 1:10.40 1:09.90         0.10
>100 ba      He Cihong       1:02.98 1:05.87 N/A             4.59
>50 fr       Le Jingyi       24.93   25.10   24.90           -0.12
>100 fr      Le Jingyi       54.69   54.90   54.50           -0.35
>200 br      Lin Li          2:30.64 2:30.64 2:33.45         0.00
>200 IM      Lin Li          2:15.70 2:16.31 2:14.74         -0.71
>100 fly     Liu Limin       0:59.57 1:00.18 0:59.14         -0.72
>200 fly     Liu Limin       2:09.88 2:13.12 2:10.70         0.63
>800 fr      Pu Yiqi         8:37.99 N/A     N/A             N/A
>200 fly     Qu Yun          2:09.66 2:11.35 2:10.26         0.46
>200 ba      Wu Yanyan       2:14.06 2:20.89 N/A             5.09
>200 IM      Wu Yanyan       2:12.87 2:16.55 2:16.71         2.77
>400 IM      Wu Yanyan       4:41.20 4:54.07 N/A             4.58
>100 br      Yuan Yuan       1:09.96 1:11.65 N/A             2.42
>200 br      Yuan Yuan       2:28.53 2:33.89 N/A             3.61
>400 fr      Zhang Chanying  4:15.48 N/A     N/A             N/A
>Column 1:  Event (fr=free, ba=back, br=***)
>Column 2:  swimmer's name
>Column 3:  time at the Chinese Olympic trials, April 1-7, 1996
>Column 4:  time at Olympic prelims, July 20-26, 1996
>           N/A = not applicable, swimmer did not compete
>Column 5:  time at Olympic finals
>Column 6:  percentage difference between the Chinese Olympic trials time,
>           and the faster of the Olympic prelim and Olympic final time

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Vastanagatan 20-215, S-582 35, Linkoping, Sweden

 
 
 

China's swimming swoon: Part 2

Post by William A. T. Cla » Tue, 06 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

> Dear anonymous fact-presenter:

> You have forgotten a very important fact: 1996 Olympics was held in USA, which
> uses to be famous for her *** and unfairness. I am wondering why there
> went a fire-alarm in the building there chinese wimmers lived, but not in the
> building the American swimmers lived. And, why was there no Chinese food for
> the Chinese team? Why could they not provide buses in time to atheles from
> other countries, while american atheles have no such problems?

> Too many factors have to considered, dear anonymous. BTW, China lost two gold
> in woman swimming by 0.01 s and 0.03 s respectively. Maybe you don't know that
> the American swimmers started > 0.1 s earlier than the Chinese swimmers did.
> Someone was talking about a "close cooperation between the judges and the
> American swimmers", can you deny it? The bad mode of American audience also
> affects the performance of athelets from other countries. Just look at the
> gymnastic team competition. When an American girl succeded, the whole audience
> applauded and cooked. They just don't care that there were girls from
> other countries were still performing their programs, and the terrible noise
> affected their concentration and performance. The american girls were
good, but
> I also believe that the audience also gave them a huge help in beating their
> competitors. I am sure that USA could never be so *** if this Olympics
> was held in another country.

> So, don't be stupid. Chinese woman swimmers will beat you again outside USA.
> Just wait for it.

> Another thing. THis Olympics applied much more restrict drug control, so
> USA did not get any thing in man 100 meter race, nor in 4 X 100 meter
relay. Is
> it something for you to ask why, besides the poor performance of Chinese
> woman swimmers? And, why Mickel Jonson was allowed to use a pair of
> "performance enhancing" shoes?

> Sorry if I have been wrong. But I think that sport should only stay as sport.
> Doping problem is very wide spread, so don't just accuse Chinese. To be fair,
> to be friendly is a sport event than to be suspicious and unfair.

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

> Vastanagatan 20-215, S-582 35, Linkoping, Sweden

This is simply pathetic. Grow up, get a life, or crawl off to
rec.sport.racist.whining.

William Clark

 
 
 

China's swimming swoon: Part 2

Post by Troy » Tue, 06 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>Dear anonymous fact-presenter:

>You have forgotten a very important fact: 1996 Olympics was held in USA, which
>uses to be famous for her *** and unfairness. I am wondering why there
>went a fire-alarm in the building there chinese wimmers lived, but not in the
>building the American swimmers lived. And, why was there no Chinese food for
>the Chinese team? Why could they not provide buses in time to atheles from
>other countries, while american atheles have no such problems?

>Too many factors have to considered, dear anonymous. BTW, China lost two gold
>in woman swimming by 0.01 s and 0.03 s respectively. Maybe you don't know that
>the American swimmers started > 0.1 s earlier than the Chinese swimmers did.
>Someone was talking about a "close cooperation between the judges and the
>American swimmers", can you deny it? The bad mode of American audience also
>affects the performance of athelets from other countries. Just look at the
>gymnastic team competition. When an American girl succeded, the whole audience
>applauded and cooked. They just don't care that there were girls from
>other countries were still performing their programs, and the terrible noise
>affected their concentration and performance. The american girls were good, bu
t
>I also believe that the audience also gave them a huge help in beating their
>competitors. I am sure that USA could never be so *** if this Olympics
>was held in another country.

>So, don't be stupid. Chinese woman swimmers will beat you again outside USA.
>Just wait for it.

>Another thing. THis Olympics applied much more restrict drug control, so
>USA did not get any thing in man 100 meter race, nor in 4 X 100 meter relay. I
s
>it something for you to ask why, besides the poor performance of Chinese
>woman swimmers? And, why Mickel Jonson was allowed to use a pair of
>"performance enhancing" shoes?

>Sorry if I have been wrong. But I think that sport should only stay as sport.
>Doping problem is very wide spread, so don't just accuse Chinese. To be fair,
>to be friendly is a sport event than to be suspicious and unfair.


>>How badly did the Chinese women's swim team fall apart between the
>>Chinese Olympic trials (April 1-7, 1996) and the Olympics (July 20-26,
>>1996)?  Tables 1, 2, and 3 below provide detailed data on the performances
>>of the Chinese women's swim team at the Chinese trials and the Olympics.

>>Table 1 gives a general indication:

>>Name         Average % change between Chinese trials and Olympics
>>                "-" = better at Olympics, "+" = worse at Olympics

>>Lin Li       -0.36     2 events
>>Le Jingyi    -0.24     2 events
>>Liu Limin    -0.05     2 events
>>Han Xue      +0.10     1 event
>>Qu Yun       +0.46     1 event
>>Cai Huijue   +1.43     1 event
>>Shan Ying    +2.27     3 events
>>Chen Yan     +2.36     6 events
>>Yuan Yuan    +3.02     2 events
>>Wu Yuanyan   +4.15     3 events
>>He Cihong    +4.59     1 event

>>Three swimmers showed reasonble improvements (Lin Li through Liu Limin).
>>These three were the only individual medalists and are all hold-overs
>>from the period preceding 1995, when nine*** Chinese swimmers tested
>>positive for performance enhancing ***.  Three swimmers showed reasonble
>>increases in time (Han Xue through Cai Huijeu).  Five swimmers showed
>>exceptional time increases (Shan Ying through He Cihong).

>>Non-swimmers will probably not appreciate the magnitude of Chen Yan's drop
>>off from 4:11.33 for 400 free at the Chinese trials to 4:22.55 at the
>>Olympics, or Wu Yanyan's 2:14.06 200 back at the trials to 2:20.89 at the
>>Olypmics.  Swimmers will.  These two examples, and many others you will
>>see below, show huge preformance deterioration in just 3.5 months.

>>Ed

>>See tables below:

>>                                  TABLE 2

>>Col 1   Col 2          Col 3     Col 4     Col 5     Col 6        Col 7   Col

>>             China     Olympic Olympic     % change   Olym      Olmpc plc
>>EVENT   NAME      Trials    Prelims   Finals                Plc      (China
tr

>>50 fr   Le Jingyi 24.93     25.10     24.90     -0.12          2         2
>>50 fr   Shan Ying 25.36     25.71     25.70      1.34          7         5

>>100 fr  Le Jingyi 54.69     54.90     54.50     -0.35          1         1
>>100 fr  Shan Ying 54.59     56.10     55.74      2.11          9         2

>>200 fr  Chen Yan  2:00.24   2:03.32   N/A   2.56        16(prlm)  6
>>200 fr  Shan Ying 2:00.24   2:04.29   N/A   3.37          23        6

>>400 fr  Chen Yan  4:11.33   4:22.55   N/A   4.46          29        7
>>400 fr  Zhang Chanying 4:15.48   N/A  N/A   N/A      N/A    N/A

>>800 fr  Chen Yan  8:37.41   8:45.32   N/A   1.53        12(prlm)  5
>>800 fr  Pu Yiqi        8:37.99   N/A  N/A   N/A      N/A    N/A

>>100 ba  Chen Yan  1:02.71   1:02.62   1:02.50   -0.33          5         8
>>100 ba  He Cihong 1:02.98   1:05.87   N/A   4.59          26        11

>>200 ba  Chen Yan  2:12.63   2:14.74   2:14.37    1.31          11        4
>>200 ba  Wu Yanyan 2:14.06   2:20.89   N/A   5.09          28        7

>>100 br  Han Xue        1:09.83   1:10.40   1:09.90    0.10           9
>>100 br  Yuan Yuan 1:09.96   1:11.65   N/A   2.42          24      9

>>200 br  Yuan Yuan 2:28.53   2:33.89   N/A   3.61          24        8
>>200 br  Lin Li         2:30.64   2:30.64   2:33.45    0.00          16      
1

>>100 fly Liu Limin 0:59.57   1:00.18   0:59.14   -0.72           2        4
>>100 fly Cai Huijue     0:59.61   1:00.89   1:00.46    1.43           7      4

>>200 fly Qu Yun         2:09.66   2:11.35   2:10.26    0.46           4
>>200 fly Liu Limin 2:09.88   2:13.12   2:10.70    0.63           5      3

>>200 IM  Wu Yanyan 2:12.87   2:16.55   2:16.71    2.77          10        1
>>200 IM  Lin Li         2:15.70   2:16.31   2:14.74   -0.71           3      5

>>400 IM  Chen Yan  4:40.85   4:53.87   N/A   4.64          17        2
>>400 IM  Wu Yanyan 4:41.20   4:54.07   N/A   4.58          18      2

>>Column 1:  Event (fr=free, ba=back, br=***)
>>Column 2:  swimmer's name
>>Column 3:  time at the Chinese Olympic trials, April 1-7, 1996
>>Column 4:  time at Olympic prelims, July 20-26, 1996
>>           N/A = not applicable, swimmer did not compete
>>Column 5:  time at Olympic finals
>>Column 6:  percentage difference between the Chinese Olympic trials time,
>>           and the faster of the Olympic prelim and Olympic final time
>>Column 7:  Place at Olympics
>>Column 8:  Place the swimmer would have gotten at the Olympics if she had
>>           equalled her time at the Chinese Olympic trials

>>                              TABLE 3

>>Col 1   Col 2          Col 3     Col 4     Col 5          Col 6

>>             China     Olympic Olympic          % change
>>EVENT   NAME      Trials    Prelims   Finals         *see note

>>50 fr   Shan Ying 25.36     25.71     25.70          1.34
>>100 fr  Shan Ying 54.59     56.10     55.74          2.11
>>200 fr  Shan Ying 2:00.24   2:04.29   N/A       3.37

>>100 fly Cai Huijue     0:59.61   1:00.89   1:00.46        1.43

>>200 fr  Chen Yan  2:00.24   2:03.32   N/A       2.56
>>400 fr  Chen Yan  4:11.33   4:22.55   N/A       4.46
>>800 fr  Chen Yan  8:37.41   8:45.32   N/A       1.53
>>100 ba  Chen Yan  1:02.71   1:02.62   1:02.50        -0.33
>>200 ba  Chen Yan  2:12.63   2:14.74   2:14.37        1.31
>>400 IM  Chen Yan  4:40.85   4:53.87   N/A       4.64

>>100 br  Han Xue        1:09.83   1:10.40   1:09.90        0.10

>>100 ba  He Cihong 1:02.98   1:05.87   N/A       4.59

>>50 fr   Le Jingyi 24.93     25.10     24.90          -0.12
>>100 fr  Le Jingyi 54.69     54.90     54.50          -0.35

>>200 br  Lin Li         2:30.64   2:30.64   2:33.45        0.00
>>200 IM  Lin Li         2:15.70   2:16.31   2:14.74        -0.71

>>100 fly Liu Limin 0:59.57   1:00.18   0:59.14        -0.72
>>200 fly Liu Limin 2:09.88   2:13.12   2:10.70        0.63

>>800 fr  Pu Yiqi        8:37.99   N/A  N/A       N/A

>>200 fly Qu Yun         2:09.66   2:11.35   2:10.26        0.46

>>200 ba  Wu Yanyan 2:14.06   2:20.89   N/A       5.09
>>200 IM  Wu Yanyan 2:12.87   2:16.55   2:16.71        2.77
>>400 IM  Wu Yanyan 4:41.20   4:54.07   N/A       4.58

>>100 br  Yuan Yuan 1:09.96   1:11.65   N/A       2.42
>>200 br  Yuan Yuan 2:28.53   2:33.89   N/A       3.61

>>400 fr  Zhang Chanying 4:15.48   N/A  N/A       N/A

>>Column 1:  Event (fr=free, ba=back, br=***)
>>Column 2:  swimmer's name
>>Column 3:  time at the Chinese Olympic trials, April 1-7, 1996
>>Column 4:  time at Olympic prelims, July 20-26, 1996
>>           N/A = not applicable, swimmer did not compete
>>Column 5:  time at Olympic finals
>>Column 6:  percentage difference between the Chinese Olympic trials time,
>>           and the faster of the Olympic prelim and Olympic final time
>--
>--------------------------------------------------------------------

>Vastanagatan 20-215, S-582 35, Linkoping, Sweden

     I would like to thank anonymous fact-presenter providing data
comparing  Chinese swimmer's April trial time with their Olympic
time. I think the data shows that Chinese team made a big strategy
mistake by holding trials too close to Olympic. I remembered that
US made the same mistake in 1992.

     Even through we earn less Gold medels in swimming this time, I am
still very happy about the progress we made over the years. I hope
Chinese swimmers do well in Sydney.

 
 
 

China's swimming swoon: Part 2

Post by Wh » Tue, 06 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Too many factors have to considered, dear anonymous. BTW, China lost two gold
>in woman swimming by 0.01 s and 0.03 s respectively. Maybe you don't know that
>the American swimmers started > 0.1 s earlier than the Chinese swimmers did.

Hmm..so better reflexes now equal cheating...interesting...I always thought
that the better your reflexes the better athlete you were.

Quote:
>Someone was talking about a "close cooperation between the judges and the
>American swimmers", can you deny it?

Yes..if that was so then the Judges would've made sure that the "favorite"
American swimmers would've won rather than some of the people who did.  

I am sure that USA could never be so *** if this Olympics

Quote:
>was held in another country.

Think again....The USA had seven less medals in this Olympics than in the 1992
Games...and its a fact that athletes tend to perform better when the Games
are in their home Country...look at Spain in 1992 they had their best showing.

Quote:
>Another thing. THis Olympics applied much more restrict drug control, so
>USA did not get any thing in man 100 meter race, nor in 4 X 100 meter relay.

Once again you are wrong.  The USA has been going downhill in the sprints for
years, so no medal in the 100meters was no surprise.  As for the 4x100 relay I
guess you count the Silver Medal as nothing???

  And, why Mickel Jonson was allowed to use a pair of

Quote:
>"performance enhancing" shoes?

hehehheheh...this is funny...since when do the color of shoes affect the
performance????????????

Quote:

>Doping problem is very wide spread, so don't just accuse Chinese.

The Chinese gets singled out because over the past few years, the Chinese
women swimmers have been the most blatent in violating the rules and so many
have been caught that it draws the attention.
 
 
 

China's swimming swoon: Part 2

Post by Tao Ya » Tue, 06 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


> > Dear anonymous fact-presenter:

> > You have forgotten a very important fact: 1996 Olympics was held in USA, which
> > uses to be famous for her *** and unfairness. I am wondering why there
> > went a fire-alarm in the building there chinese wimmers lived, but not in the
> > building the American swimmers lived. And, why was there no Chinese food for
> > the Chinese team? Why could they not provide buses in time to atheles from
> > other countries, while american atheles have no such problems?

> > Too many factors have to considered, dear anonymous. BTW, China lost two gold
> > in woman swimming by 0.01 s and 0.03 s respectively. Maybe you don't know that
> > the American swimmers started > 0.1 s earlier than the Chinese swimmers did.
> > Someone was talking about a "close cooperation between the judges and the
> > American swimmers", can you deny it? The bad mode of American audience also
> > affects the performance of athelets from other countries. Just look at the
> > gymnastic team competition. When an American girl succeded, the whole audience
> > applauded and cooked. They just don't care that there were girls from
> > other countries were still performing their programs, and the terrible noise
> > affected their concentration and performance. The american girls were
> good, but
> > I also believe that the audience also gave them a huge help in beating their
> > competitors. I am sure that USA could never be so *** if this Olympics
> > was held in another country.

> > So, don't be stupid. Chinese woman swimmers will beat you again outside USA.
> > Just wait for it.

> > Another thing. THis Olympics applied much more restrict drug control, so
> > USA did not get any thing in man 100 meter race, nor in 4 X 100 meter
> relay. Is
> > it something for you to ask why, besides the poor performance of Chinese
> > woman swimmers? And, why Mickel Jonson was allowed to use a pair of
> > "performance enhancing" shoes?

> > Sorry if I have been wrong. But I think that sport should only stay as sport.
> > Doping problem is very wide spread, so don't just accuse Chinese. To be fair,
> > to be friendly is a sport event than to be suspicious and unfair.

> > --------------------------------------------------------------------

> > Vastanagatan 20-215, S-582 35, Linkoping, Sweden

> This is simply pathetic. Grow up, get a life, or crawl off to
> rec.sport.racist.whining.

> William Clark

A perfect demonstration of grown up. keep the good job!

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A Rapid Rabbit Never Lose

 
 
 

China's swimming swoon: Part 2

Post by gendr.. » Thu, 08 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>Dear anonymous fact-presenter:

<big snip>

Just wanted to say that I never intended to be anonymous.  

I'll include that information within any future posts.

Ed