i got my @$$ kicked and it's only the first week...

i got my @$$ kicked and it's only the first week...

Post by Jeff Koviac » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00


I submit, swimmers are truly superior cardio studs.

I routinely squat 225 lbs.-330 lbs. for reps, but my quads have not
burned as bad as today.  My back feels like it is "thrashed", and my
shoulders do not want anything to do with a set of dumbbells for a week.

I counted to the stroke count of the "fish" at the pool.  On average,
they have a stroke count of about 16-20 strokes for 25 meters and 33-42
strokes for 50 meters.  My stroke count is at 32 for 25 meters and I
can't tell you what it is for 50 meters because i'm incapable of
counting that high with that much oxygen deprivation.

One of the "fish" said that I had a really strong stoke for someone who
has never swam formally and gave me some pointers as far as hand
placment, entering, and pulling.

How the heck do you increase endurance.  these fish went for 40+ minutes
non-stop.  I would do 50 meters, rest 30 seconds, and then try to
repeat.  at 10 lengths of the pool it was over.  So, I grabbed the kick
board with my "zoomers"...i had to get them just because of the name
alone.  This is where the "burn" began.

I tip my hat and beg for guidance.

--
Jeffery L. Koviack

http://www.msu.edu/~koviackj

"I thought I wanted a career...turns out I just want paychecks."

 
 
 

i got my @$$ kicked and it's only the first week...

Post by Rick Swange » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00

As an ex-weightlifter, swimming did not come easy for me either.  I rarely
lift anymore and with regular swimming my endurance is such that I can
finally swim non-stop for 1500 meters.  I'm still working on form and better
speed.

Rick Swanger

Quote:

>I submit, swimmers are truly superior cardio studs.

>I routinely squat 225 lbs.-330 lbs. for reps, but my quads have not
>burned as bad as today.  My back feels like it is "thrashed", and my
>shoulders do not want anything to do with a set of dumbbells for a week.

>I counted to the stroke count of the "fish" at the pool.  On average,
>they have a stroke count of about 16-20 strokes for 25 meters and 33-42
>strokes for 50 meters.  My stroke count is at 32 for 25 meters and I
>can't tell you what it is for 50 meters because i'm incapable of
>counting that high with that much oxygen deprivation.

>One of the "fish" said that I had a really strong stoke for someone who
>has never swam formally and gave me some pointers as far as hand
>placment, entering, and pulling.

>How the heck do you increase endurance.  these fish went for 40+ minutes
>non-stop.  I would do 50 meters, rest 30 seconds, and then try to
>repeat.  at 10 lengths of the pool it was over.  So, I grabbed the kick
>board with my "zoomers"...i had to get them just because of the name
>alone.  This is where the "burn" began.

>I tip my hat and beg for guidance.

>--
>Jeffery L. Koviack

>http://www.msu.edu/~koviackj

>"I thought I wanted a career...turns out I just want paychecks."


 
 
 

i got my @$$ kicked and it's only the first week...

Post by Gleshna » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>How the heck do you increase endurance.

>I tip my hat and beg for guidance.

For starts to quote someone else:  "The mind takes two weeks to adjust to the
new routine and the body takes two months."

Also, consider that you have transitional fiber types that are probably fast
twitch from lifting.  Overtime you could change them to slow twitch for 40
minutes of swimming.

A good book for endurance: SERIOUS Training for Endurance Athletes.

Quote:
> So, I grabbed the kick
>board with my "zoomers".

My new Zoomer instructions specifically warn that they will give a deceptively
hard workout that takes many weeks to get used to.

Bob

 
 
 

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Post by jean sterlin » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> How the heck do you increase endurance.  these fish went for 40+ minutes
> non-stop.  I would do 50 meters, rest 30 seconds, and then try to
> repeat.  at 10 lengths of the pool it was over.

     Just keep doing what you are doing.  Gradually you will be able to go
further with less effort as your endurance and technique improves.  I
couldn't imagine doing more than 50 butterfly.  Now I do the 400 individual
medley in a long course (50 meter) pool.

     Swim regularly (at least three times a week) and gradually increase
your distance.  Soon you will be a "fish" too.

                                                Jean S.

 
 
 

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Post by Tom Morl » Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> I submit, swimmers are truly superior cardio studs.

> I routinely squat 225 lbs.-330 lbs. for reps, but my quads have not
> burned as bad as today.  My back feels like it is "thrashed", and my
> shoulders do not want anything to do with a set of dumbbells for a week.

> I counted to the stroke count of the "fish" at the pool.  On average,
> they have a stroke count of about 16-20 strokes for 25 meters and 33-42
> strokes for 50 meters.  My stroke count is at 32 for 25 meters and I
> can't tell you what it is for 50 meters because i'm incapable of
> counting that high with that much oxygen deprivation.

> One of the "fish" said that I had a really strong stoke for someone who
> has never swam formally and gave me some pointers as far as hand
> placment, entering, and pulling.

> How the heck do you increase endurance.  these fish went for 40+ minutes
> non-stop.  I would do 50 meters, rest 30 seconds, and then try to
> repeat.  at 10 lengths of the pool it was over.  So, I grabbed the kick
> board with my "zoomers"...i had to get them just because of the name
> alone.  This is where the "burn" began.

> I tip my hat and beg for guidance.

> --
> Jeffery L. Koviack

> http://www.msu.edu/~koviackj

> "I thought I wanted a career...turns out I just want paychecks."

I'm mostly a weightlifter who happens to swim for fun and aerobics.
How do you increase endurance? Swim. Bear in mind also that
your current stroke is probably very inefficient. As your stroke gets
better, swimming will become easier.

I found that even in a month or two, my heart rate for
equivalent work dropped 10 or 20 bpm. (This data is from
some treadmill work I did, swimming should be similar.)
This drop in heart rate for equivelent work came from
swimming and treadmill work that consisted of aerbobic
and  interval training rather than purely  aerobic.
(Interval training in a nutshell: sprint, puke, rest,
repeat... ha ha ha, I've kidding about the puke part.)

I went though a period where I did a lot of kicking with
 zoomers (red or blue, by the way?). My hams were permanently
sore-- (Well, the stiff legged deadlifts and the good mornings
didn't help matters, either...)

Actually, I'm a wretched swimmer, but what the hell, I enjoy it.

Tom Morley                         |  


http://www.math.gatech.edu/~morley |  
ICQ: 24798603  (tmorley)           |    

 
 
 

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Post by Totalswi » Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>I counted to the stroke count of the "fish" at the pool.  On average,
>they have a stroke count of about 16-20 strokes for 25 meters and 33-42
>strokes for 50 meters.  My stroke count is at 32 for 25 meters and I
>can't tell you what it is for 50 meters because i'm incapable of
>counting that high with that much oxygen deprivation.

>One of the "fish" said that I had a really strong stoke for someone who
>has never swam formally and gave me some pointers as far as hand
>placment, entering, and pulling.

Jeff.
No one has given you very good advice so far. Forget hand placement, pulling,
etc. You could make it PERFECT and you'd still get exhausted, in fact moreso,
since you'd still essentially be doing something that's a no-win i.e. trying to
muscle your way through the water. And you definitely don't want to just keep
doing what you're doing and hope you gain the endurance to withstand your
ordeal for more lengths. All that will do is make your "struggling skills" more
permanent. You need to learn to balance and become more slippery and learn to
move with some fluency. Check the website www.totalimmersion.net
Happy laps,
Terry Laughlin
Total Immersion Swimming
www.totalimmersion.net
 
 
 

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Post by Mark Vaugha » Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
>(Interval training in a nutshell: sprint, puke, rest,
>repeat... ha ha ha, I've kidding about the puke part.)

unless your pool is at 85 degrees or above...then Tom's
not kidding about puking...

Mark Vaughan

 
 
 

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Post by C Seage » Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:00:00

     One thing that can help you a lot on stroke efficiency is gaining
flexibility.  Your stroke count is most likely due to not having a
feel for the water yet and not having the range of motion required for
a long stroke.  Being strong means nothing in swimming if you cannot
"grab" the water.  If you are serious about improving, you should stretch a
lot before and after each workout (weights and swimming).

     After swimming competitively for 13 years, I'm now lifting
weights and swimming recreationally.  Weights have made me much
stronger, but I can tell that my swimming stroke has suffered since
I've lost some flexibility.

Good Luck.....C. Seager

Quote:

> I submit, swimmers are truly superior cardio studs.

> I routinely squat 225 lbs.-330 lbs. for reps, but my quads have not
> burned as bad as today.  My back feels like it is "thrashed", and my
> shoulders do not want anything to do with a set of dumbbells for a week.

> I counted to the stroke count of the "fish" at the pool.  On average,
> they have a stroke count of about 16-20 strokes for 25 meters and 33-42
> strokes for 50 meters.  My stroke count is at 32 for 25 meters and I
> can't tell you what it is for 50 meters because i'm incapable of
> counting that high with that much oxygen deprivation.

> One of the "fish" said that I had a really strong stoke for someone who
> has never swam formally and gave me some pointers as far as hand
> placment, entering, and pulling.

> How the heck do you increase endurance.  these fish went for 40+ minutes
> non-stop.  I would do 50 meters, rest 30 seconds, and then try to
> repeat.  at 10 lengths of the pool it was over.  So, I grabbed the kick
> board with my "zoomers"...i had to get them just because of the name
> alone.  This is where the "burn" began.

> I tip my hat and beg for guidance.

> --
> Jeffery L. Koviack

> http://www.msu.edu/~koviackj

> "I thought I wanted a career...turns out I just want paychecks."

 
 
 

i got my @$$ kicked and it's only the first week...

Post by simstr.. » Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
> I submit, swimmers are truly superior cardio studs.

While all endurance athletes must have great cardio, breathing rhythm is
key in swimming cuz you can't take a breath just any ol' time. I'm a
long-distance runner, and I started out with 10-minute pool workouts cuz
that's all I could stand till I improved my stroke and breathing. I
don't think my poor swimming performance is for lack of cardio ability.

Quote:
> How the heck do you increase endurance.  these fish went for 40+
minutes
> non-stop.  I would do 50 meters, rest 30 seconds, and then try to
> repeat.  at 10 lengths of the pool it was over.

Keep swimming, and gradually increase the length.

Good luck,
Sim

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