Late breathing- butterfly stroke

Late breathing- butterfly stroke

Post by Kevin Bar » Thu, 28 Nov 1996 04:00:00


I have two age-group swimmers (age 10 & 12) and both have been told by
their coaches they are "late breathers" in the butterfly stroke.  Does
anyone have any tips on how to correct this?

Thanks

 
 
 

Late breathing- butterfly stroke

Post by Michael Barn » Fri, 29 Nov 1996 04:00:00


€I have two age-group swimmers (age 10 & 12) and both have been told by
€their coaches they are "late breathers" in the butterfly stroke.  Does
€anyone have any tips on how to correct this?

€Thanks

I've found that the most successful drill is to have them swim ***
stroke with a two beat dolphin kick, one kick during the outsweep of the
*** stroke and the second as they extend into their streamline.  It is
during the first half of the butterfly pull (which is or should be very
similiar to the *** stroke) that you want to breathe in fly and this
drill forces them to breathe earlier as they are only doing half the arm
pull and must therefore breathe during that arm pull.  Then go back to fly
asking the swimmers to concentrate on maintaining the same breathing
coordination.

Note, this is only going to be effective if as well as breathing earlier,
they also get their head back down earlier.  Breathing earlier doesn't
mean they get to breathe twice as long.  The idea is to get your breath
and get your head and shoulders back down into the water ahead of your
hands.  In fact, the face should be going back into the water just as the
hands finish the pull and start recovering.  This creates a sort of
see-saw which pushes the hips and therefore the hands up and makes the
recovery much easier.  It also improves streamlining within the stroke.

If any of this isn't clear, just ask and I'll see if I can clarify it.
But if you reread it once or twice and watch a good butterflier, it should
be at least somewhat clear.

lator
   mike

--
Michael Lee Barnes - also know as - the original Iridescent Mouse


 
 
 

Late breathing- butterfly stroke

Post by Philip W. Arcu » Sun, 01 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>I have two age-group swimmers (age 10 & 12) and both have been told by
>their coaches they are "late breathers" in the butterfly stroke.  Does
>anyone have any tips on how to correct this?

>Thanks

I am not exactly sure how your children are swimming, but I suspect that
they are breathing while their arms are going forward.  This brings the
upper body way out of the water and leads to inefficiencies in the
stroke.  I had this problem as an age grouper.  While not my primary
stroke, I was still pretty fast for sprints, and provided some comedy
relief for other swimmers and audience.

I did solve this problem on my own while I was in college (my coaches
seemed interested in my backstroke, I wanted to swim fly.)  I found that
I was too kick oriented, and when I tried to include a second kick, the
one taken as the arms are coming out of the water, I did the 'late
breathing'.  My solution was to stop kicking and do the fly with arms,
not too fast, being sure that I breathed while I was finishing my pull.  
For a while I just let my feet drag -- hard to do when you have a strong
kick in all strokes.  I did a lot of fly that way.

Adding in the first kick was not hard -- it comes very naturally as the
arms are streching forward.  I never really feel that I am kicking at all
for the second kick, but observers say a nice kick is there.

Too many people think fly is primarily described by the undulation of the
body.  It is not.  Primary propulsion is from the arms.  The body moves
to make the pull stronger.

Act soon on fixing the stroke, now is the time to prevent serious bad
habits.  Not many swimmers manage to do real overhauls of a stroke in
their very late ***s.

Phil

 
 
 

Late breathing- butterfly stroke

Post by BAYCITVIDG » Sun, 01 Dec 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
Barry) writes:

>I have two age-group swimmers (age 10 & 12) and both have been told by
>their coaches they are "late breathers" in the butterfly stroke.  Does
>anyone have any tips on how to correct this?

>Thanks

   Hi KEV

   And they call themselves coaches....what is amiss here?

   KEV...kids are "late" everything when it comes to learning
    butterfly or *** or anything aquatic....it's the norm.

    Accept their ages and allow them to grow into what they are
    attempting.  Also, what is their attitude about swimming
    workouts and learning?  Very important.

    Butterfly...try this: get a kick board and work on Kicking.
    Help them learn how to focus their minds on their HIPS and
    do the kick from their HIPS...very important. Becasue the
    way in which they utilize this area of their bods will be
    how the stroke is meshed in with their effort.

    Get the kick down pat...so they have power and speed.
     Also, have them kick at various speeds....slow deep
     kicks....then shallow kicking faster than slow. Make
     the kicks variable...make sure they keep their legs
     together at the ankles and not to allow their legs
     to bend very much....HIPS make the kick work.

    Also, once they develop the power from their legs the
    stroking becomes easier because "THE KICK IS THE KEY
    TO STROKING"...no exceptions on this. I don't care what
    other say....KICKs develop to help the stroke complete
    the stroke....

    The kids will find it tiring. but when the stroke is
    then used the stroking is easier....because the
    KICK promotes better control.

    Have them breathe face forward....do laps where they
    do this.  Just put them to the task: breathe from the
    forward face position....

    then they can try: breating when the arms come out of
     the water....they breathe underneath their arm pits.
    Very important: breathing as their arm comes up and
    head turns to get air from under their arm-pits.

    No need to worry about ARM-odor...it's fluid washed

    Breathe as the ARMS come out of water underneath
    the arm pit connected to one of the kicks in the two
    kick system....

    tghe kick is One and TWo, One and Two...

     Kick/stroke-kick.  the last kick brings the arms
     up out of water and the breathing is done before
     the next stoke is finished.

    It's easier for me to do it first hand...but this
    is what you have to concentrate on...HIPS are the
    Bible of this stroke...freestyle too....all kicks
    are learned from the HIPS as central command.

    Try it...get back to me if there are WAlls....

     Kids make up walls very easily if they are not all
     that enthusiastic about it....and they will if not
     really "gung ho"....

    bill conduit
    the etc guy