Why am I so bloody slow?

Why am I so bloody slow?

Post by Mike Oliv » Sat, 10 May 1997 04:00:00


I do 2500 yds 3 times/wk, alternating free/***/back every 50 yds.
For some time, in February or so,  I was able to do the second set of 600 yds
in about 12:50, which I know is not really fast but was sort of a personal
baseline.

But in the last month or two my speed has fallen off dramatically without
apparent cause.  Today I struggled mightily and got the second set
in in about 14:15.  What's going on?  My weight has stayed constant
within a pound, I've had no layoffs longer than a week, anything I
was doing that could be considered cross-training I'm still doing,
and my diet hasn't changed in any way that I can identify.  If I try
to go faster my heart rate goes to red-zone levels; it's been as
high as 230.  I do have hay fever but it doesn't seem *that* bad.
Any ideas?

 
 
 

Why am I so bloody slow?

Post by PDPsw » Sun, 11 May 1997 04:00:00

Hello! Mike

[snip]
Subject: Why am I so ***y slow?

Date: 9 May 1997 23:20:46 GMT

. . .Today I struggled mightily and got the second set
in in about 14:15.  What's going on?. . .
[end snip]

Relax, relax, relax in the water. I swim for fitness. I notice I can cover
more distance with less strokes when I am relaxed and do not try too hard.
It is true that the density of water can be overcome with relaxed, steady
strokes.

Try to feel the water against your hand throughout your strokes to give
you constant propulsion--that includes the seconds before your hands exit
the water at the end of the strokes.

I am not a coach; however, relaxing and feeling the water are the best
advice I have heard and have to offer.

Stay afloat and on course!


 
 
 

Why am I so bloody slow?

Post by Sharon Saha » Sun, 11 May 1997 04:00:00

  I do 2500 yds 3 times/wk, alternating free/***/back every 50 yds.

  For some time, in February or so,  I was able to do the second set
  of 600 yds
  in about 12:50, which I know is not really fast but was sort of a
  personal
  baseline.

  But in the last month or two my speed has fallen off dramatically
  without
  apparent cause.  Today I struggled mightily and got the second set
  in in about 14:15.  What's going on?  My weight has stayed constant
  within a pound, I've had no layoffs longer than a week, anything I
  was doing that could be considered cross-training I'm still doing,
  and my diet hasn't changed in any way that I can identify.  If I try

  to go faster my heart rate goes to red-zone levels; it's been as
  high as 230.  I do have hay fever but it doesn't seem *that* bad.
  Any ideas?

HI THERE

i'm a 15 years old boy from israel that trains in a swimming team.
i swim 5-6 times a week, 5-7km per train.
from what u describe i can understand u did everything usual:
training, eating.. EVERYTHING.
if this is what happned, so i can tell u it happned me to.
i was so panic.. i couldn't belive this and i didn't know what to do.
well here is what I DID.. it's going to take some time but it worked on
me:

1. eating: eat 3 meals per day.. before training eat the main/big one
and make the
carboryins to be the biggest part of it. eat 2-3 before training.
also drinl alot.

2.sleeping: try to sleep 8-10 hours per night! maybe i need  it because
i'm a boy but i'm
sure it will help u to!

3.training: try to swim as u swam all the time.
if you swim 3*600meter and fell taird so do as follow:
1*600+3*200+6*100.
u should work as a start on you'r endurance.. and than on speed.
if you are working with times.. so try make it batter only with 2-4 sec
per 100 meter.
in this way, it will be much easier to u'r body to get used to the
trainings.

4. REMEMBER: IT CAN TAKES 2-4 WEEK UNTILL YOU WILL RETURN TO U'R NORMAL
LEVEL!!!!!!!



 
 
 

Why am I so bloody slow?

Post by Joel Martin McTagu » Mon, 12 May 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I do 2500 yds 3 times/wk, alternating free/***/back every 50 yds.
> For some time, in February or so,  I was able to do the second set of 600 yds
> in about 12:50, which I know is not really fast but was sort of a personal
> baseline.

> But in the last month or two my speed has fallen off dramatically without
> apparent cause.  Today I struggled mightily and got the second set
> in in about 14:15.  What's going on?  My weight has stayed constant
> within a pound, I've had no layoffs longer than a week, anything I
> was doing that could be considered cross-training I'm still doing,
> and my diet hasn't changed in any way that I can identify.  If I try
> to go faster my heart rate goes to red-zone levels; it's been as
> high as 230.  I do have hay fever but it doesn't seem *that* bad.
> Any ideas?

Has the pool or outdoor temperature changed?  A change of just a few
degrees can seriously change your times.  What about the depth?  Are you
swimming in a new area of the pool the shallower than the first?  A
change of six feet on me produces a change of about one second per 50
free (sprinting).

You might also be just hitting a platau (sp.?).  In this case it might
be wise to vary your cross training a bit.  If you do one exercise too
long your muscles become resilient to additional work and therefore you
have to hit them from new angles.
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Why am I so bloody slow?

Post by feral merma » Mon, 12 May 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>> I do 2500 yds 3 times/wk, alternating free/***/back every 50 yds.
>> For some time, in February or so,  I was able to do the second set of 600 yds
>> in about 12:50, which I know is not really fast but was sort of a personal
>> baseline.
>> But in the last month or two my speed has fallen off dramatically without
>> apparent cause.  
>You might also be just hitting a platau (sp.?).  In this case it might
>be wise to vary your cross training a bit.  If you do one exercise too
>long your muscles become resilient to additional work and therefore you
>have to hit them from new angles.

*This* is exactly what my best guess is.  I don't "train" (per se),
but *do* swim for health and fitness.  I find that whenever I do the
*same* same thing (same routines with food choices, sleeping patterns,
swim drills, etc.), not only does the water begin to feel like
molasses, but so does my brain!

I've learned through trial and error that variety (for lack of a
better cliche) *is* the spice of life that keeps my body and mind
moving forward and focused on the path I want for it.

Enough research and anecdotal evidence shows that plateaus occur
because of lack of new stimulation... when my weight plateaus, I eat
*more* for a few days to let my body know I am not in the middle of a
famine and then it chills and releases the chemicals to allow the
weight loss to continue (and actually try never to eat the same amount
.  When I'm not progressing in my swimming, I do a great deal of aqua
aerobic work instead... cross-country skiing, jumping jacks, jogging,
etc. ... and then when I re-focus on laps, I find the new inspiration
(and progress) I needed.

Good-luck!

Barb
aka gardenia <who also varies the pools she swims in and, upon
reflection, *does* suppose she trains!>
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Why am I so bloody slow?

Post by John Clifford Wil » Thu, 15 May 1997 04:00:00

:
: But in the last month or two my speed has fallen off dramatically without
: apparent cause.  Today I struggled mightily and got the second set
: in in about 14:15.  What's going on?  My weight has stayed constant
: within a pound, I've had no layoffs longer than a week, anything I
: was doing that could be considered cross-training I'm still doing,

I don't swim, but I raced bicycles for 11 years and do a lot of
XC ski races in the winter (have been for the last 15 years).
Your statement "I've had no layoffs longer than a week" is my
clue that you're overtrained. You need to _schedule_ some rest
periods in each week/month/year _if you expect to get faster_.

If you are looking to improve your times, I highly recommend looking into
periodizing your workouts, i.e. DON'T DO THE SAME WORKOUT WEEK
AFTER WEEK.  Most periodized workouts work on a 4 week month.
Weeks 1-3 gradually pick up the volume, week 4 is less (rest).
The next week 1 is about the same vol. as the last week 2, etc.
At the end of your _season_, perhaps 8 months, you MUST
I HIGHLY recommend the book "Serious training for serious athletes"
(I forget the author, loaned out my copy and I forget who it was). It
will take you step by step in designing a whole year's plan for a number
of different sports. Get it , read it, do it.

BOTTOM LINE: If you want your body to get fitter, if you want to coax
a little more speed out of your body...LET IT REST!

I've been there...I know!
:

GOOD LUCK!

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Why am I so bloody slow?

Post by Jim » Thu, 15 May 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I HIGHLY recommend the book "Serious training for serious athletes"
> (I forget the author, loaned out my copy and I forget who it was). It
> will take you step by step in designing a whole year's plan for a number
> of different sports. Get it , read it, do it.

It's by Rob Sleamaker.

Jim

 
 
 

Why am I so bloody slow?

Post by Chip Zemp » Thu, 15 May 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>I do 2500 yds 3 times/wk, alternating free/***/back every 50 yds.
>For some time, in February or so,  I was able to do the second set of 600 yds
>in about 12:50, which I know is not really fast but was sort of a personal
>baseline.

>But in the last month or two my speed has fallen off dramatically without
>apparent cause.  Today I struggled mightily and got the second set
>in in about 14:15.  What's going on?  My weight has stayed constant
>within a pound, I've had no layoffs longer than a week, anything I
>was doing that could be considered cross-training I'm still doing,
>and my diet hasn't changed in any way that I can identify.  If I try
>to go faster my heart rate goes to red-zone levels; it's been as
>high as 230.  I do have hay fever but it doesn't seem *that* bad.
>Any ideas?

You're doing the same workout every time? Your body has probably stopped
adapting, and you're probably bored out of your mind!

Sounds like you've "plateau-ed." This is a common problem among lap
swimmers (ie, people who don't have coach telling them what to do, keeping
them challenged.)

Take a couple of weeks off. I'd suggest you get a copy of Michael Collin's
"A DAM Good Year" and start varying your workouts.

Also, has the water temperature changed? Have you had a heat spell in LA,
and gotten a little dehydrated without knowing it? Are you taking anything
for your hay fever? (An allergic response is an immune response, and can
take a lot out of you. Antihistamines can be even worse.)

If things don't improve after a while, you might have your doctor check you out.

Good luck - I hope some of this helps!

Chip Zempel

 
 
 

Why am I so bloody slow?

Post by Edward M. Power » Fri, 16 May 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>I HIGHLY recommend the book "Serious training for serious athletes"
>(I forget the author, loaned out my copy and I forget who it was). It

 Rob Sleamaker.  Most recent edition is co-authored by Ray Browning.