The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by Bill Dav » Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:00:00


I have to confess that I found the "greatest swimmer of all time" thread a bit
tiresome after a while.  So, at the risk of starting *another* boring thread,
I'd like to find out who y'all think is/are the greatest swimmer(s) of all
time who never won an individual Olympic Gold medal.

There are lots of possible contenders.  There are also lots of reasons why
these contenders never won a gold.  No need to limit ourselves here.

To prime the pump, I'll nominate one male and one female.  Shirley Babashoff
is my female nominee.  She didn't get much consideration in the "greatest
swimmer of all time" thread, but if she had been swimming against "clean" East
German swimmers we may well have considered her the female equivalent of Mark
Spitz, Johnny Weismuller [sp?], etc.  (It's interesting to note, though, that
Kornelia Ender--Babashoff's nemesis at the 76 Olympics--didn't get much
support in "greatest swimmer of all time" thread.)

With all due respect to Jonty Skinner, I nominate Joe Bottom as the greatest
male swimmer to never win an individual Olympic gold medal.  Joe suffered from
terminally bad timing.  The 50 meter freestyle, which he would have dominated,
was not yet an Olympic event.  Skinner and John Montgomery had his number in
the 100 meter race.  In the 100 fly, Bottom was beaten by Matt Vogel in the
Olympic finals--Vogel certainly among the most obscure Olympic swimming
champions.

There you have it.  Let the hard-luck nominations begin.

Regards,

Bill Davis
Chapel Hill, NC

 
 
 

The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by philip eva » Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>I have to confess that I found the "greatest swimmer of all time" thread a bit
>tiresome after a while.  So, at the risk of starting *another* boring thread,
>I'd like to find out who y'all think is/are the greatest swimmer(s) of all
>time who never won an individual Olympic Gold medal.

Gary Hall.  Finaled in the 200 back (4th - '68); 100 Fly (3rd - 76), 200 Fly
(2nd - '72); 200 Im (4th - '72); and 400 IM (2nd - 68, 5th - '72).  What a
spread of events and olympiads.

 
 
 

The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by b.. » Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>I have to confess that I found the "greatest swimmer of all time" thread a bit
>tiresome after a while.  So, at the risk of starting *another* boring thread,
>I'd like to find out who y'all think is/are the greatest swimmer(s) of all
>time who never won an individual Olympic Gold medal.

>There are lots of possible contenders.  There are also lots of reasons why
>these contenders never won a gold.  No need to limit ourselves here.

>To prime the pump, I'll nominate one male and one female.  Shirley Babashoff
>is my female nominee.  She didn't get much consideration in the "greatest
>swimmer of all time" thread, but if she had been swimming against "clean" East
>German swimmers we may well have considered her the female equivalent of Mark
>Spitz, Johnny Weismuller [sp?], etc.  (It's interesting to note, though, that
>Kornelia Ender--Babashoff's nemesis at the 76 Olympics--didn't get much
>support in "greatest swimmer of all time" thread.)

>With all due respect to Jonty Skinner, I nominate Joe Bottom as the greatest
>male swimmer to never win an individual Olympic gold medal.  Joe suffered from
>terminally bad timing.  The 50 meter freestyle, which he would have dominated,
>was not yet an Olympic event.  Skinner and John Montgomery had his number in
>the 100 meter race.  In the 100 fly, Bottom was beaten by Matt Vogel in the
>Olympic finals--Vogel certainly among the most obscure Olympic swimming
>champions.

>There you have it.  Let the hard-luck nominations begin.

>Regards,

>Bill Davis
>Chapel Hill, NC

Jeff Rouse qualifies for this.  He has been ranked No. 1 for how many
years in the 100 back.  But his name could always be taken off the
list after Atlanta.  We'll see.

--Brian

 
 
 

The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by DABINE » Sun, 23 Jun 1996 04:00:00

How about Kurt Krumpholz (1976)? He qualified first in the Olympic Trials
in the 400m free at 4:00+ which I believe was a new world record. In the
finals he finished out of the places for making the team (top 3?) but his
record stood. The winning time in the Olympics was also slower than his
record!

Dave Abineri

 
 
 

The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by Jorge Gonzale » Mon, 24 Jun 1996 04:00:00

I think you meant Jim Montgomery.

Nah, Jonty was by far the best in the world, his time is still in the top
ten times ever swum in 100 meters free.  Your other suggestions (except
Shirley Babashoff) had the oppertunity and did not perform, Jonty was
never given the opportunity while being the best.

 
 
 

The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by Nate Gord » Mon, 24 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Although not up at the level of Babashoff (didn't she win a gold on the
relay?) and Skinner, the story of John Moffet deserves some consideration
for this category: age group star, then for several years swims in Steve
Lundquist's shadow on the world class level. Breaks Lundquist's world record
at the 84 Olympic Trials, then pulls a hamstring (?) in the prelims at LA.
Swims at night with a wrapped thigh, finishes fifth as Lundquist takes the
record back with the first sub 1:02 swim. Moffet didn't even get a chance to
win a gold for the relay prelim, because of his leg injury.
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The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by Jorge Gonzale » Tue, 25 Jun 1996 04:00:00

I met John at the 1983 Pan American Games, very nice individual.  
Lundquist also has a spectacular personality.  Two great athlets.

 
 
 

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Post by James G. Ack » Tue, 25 Jun 1996 04:00:00

        Male nominees:

        Gary Hall (seconded)
        John Kinsella
        Tim Shaw
        Mike Bruner
        Bill Barrett

        Female nominees:

        Kym Linehan
        Joan Pennington
        Michelle Griglione

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The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by Larry Hua » Tue, 25 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Add Elain Tanner and Matt Gribble to that list.

 
 
 

The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by philip eva » Tue, 25 Jun 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>        Male nominees:
>        Gary Hall (seconded)
>        John Kinsella
>        Tim Shaw
>        Mike Bruner
>        Bill Barrett

Bruner doesn't qualify - won the 200 fly and was on the 4x200 free in '76.
 
 
 

The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by Nate Gord » Tue, 25 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Did Tracey Wickham ever win an Olympic gold?

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The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by Bill Dav » Tue, 25 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Jim:

Mike Bruner DID win an individual gold medal.  He touched out Steve Gregg to
win the 200 fly at the Montreal Games in 1976--both Bruner and Gregg were
under the previous world record.  As I remember, the Americans swept the 200
fly in the 76 Games, but I cannot, for the life of me, remember who took the
bronze medal.

Regards,

Bill Davis
Chapel Hill, NC

 
 
 

The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by Kevin Brian Tre » Tue, 25 Jun 1996 04:00:00

With all due respect to Mary Wayte, and with no respect to
Jimmy Carter, I nominate Sippy Woodhead on the women's side.

Kevin

 
 
 

The Greatest Swimmer Who Never Won Olympic Gold

Post by Jorge Gonzale » Wed, 26 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Gold Medal - Mike Bruner    USA 1:59.23

Silver     - Steven Gregg   USA  1:59.54

Bronze     - Bill Forrester USA 1:59.96

 
 
 

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Post by M. Pec » Wed, 26 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> With all due respect to Mary Wayte, and with no respect to
> Jimmy Carter, I nominate Sippy Woodhead on the women's side.

> Kevin

I second Kevin's nomination, Sippy was incredible.