China's Women

China's Women

Post by Timothy B. Madd » Fri, 10 Dec 1993 08:23:57


Another crucial point to make is that many East German competitors
(including Katarina Witt and some of their former swimmers) have
testified to the fact that they were forced to regularly intake
steroids and other *** as part of their training regimen.

The rampant success of the female athletes from China fell imm-
ediately on the heels of the arrival of East German trainers and
coaches in China to train these athletes.

Whenever an East German athlete was tested positive by steriods
(by the East German staff), that athlete did NOT arrive for
competition and the positive test results were kept secret.  Thus
no 'proof' of steroid use was ever obtained at the time.

I seriously doubt that any of the Chinese coaches/trainers/administrators
would be foolish enough not to follow this policy.  It's therefore
silly to say that they cannot be using steroids, because if they
were, they would be caught.  That simply isn't true.

I'm not saying that I'm certain the Chinese women swimmers are
using steroids.  I'm saying it's the most logical reason for these
incredible performances and until I see some evidence of wondrous
'herbs' that only enhance performance of women from China, I'm going
to continue to see it that way.

-tim

 
 
 

China's Women

Post by xiao-lin » Fri, 10 Dec 1993 12:53:07


Quote:

>I'm not saying that I'm certain the Chinese women swimmers are
>using steroids.  I'm saying it's the most logical reason for these
>incredible performances and until I see some evidence of wondrous
>'herbs' that only enhance performance of women from China, I'm going
>to continue to see it that way.

I am glad that you say not certain. I am too not certain if the
Chinese swimmers not using steroid. Therefore, I wouldn't draw
conclusion too early before any evidence is found. I heard recently
that China's national sports commission published a regulation that
any coach who asks athelets to use herbs must be inspected to
see if it contains steroid or any other stimulating agent. The
reason is that one woman skater was tested positive after her doctor
advised her using certain herbs. The Chinese have recently performed
incredibly good in several world sports events including world weight
lifting champinship, Asia field and track game, world cup marathon
and so on. I do see some consistent thrust of China's sports into
the world.

One explanation to why Chinese women have performed better than
men may be that women's sports in the whole world was developed
later than that of men's and therefore is easy to enter than men's
where sports have been the show of strength in men's world for
thousands of years. Therefore it is more difficult to catch up men's
world level. But if you see the progress of Chinese male athlets,
you will still see a great progress compare to what ten years ago.
So I wouldn't say that Chinese men are too bad, just that the hurdle
is too high.

One thing I know is that the compitition among Chinese themselves
is also high, therefore any athlet using drug, if cought, unless
unknowingly, will definitely end his/her career. This is even more
sever than America. So are the coaches.

Quote:

>-tim


 
 
 

China's Women

Post by xiao-lin » Sat, 11 Dec 1993 05:22:26

Quote:

>if my memory serves right, there were couple of male chinese world record
>breakers in swimming(***stroke?) in 60's, and chinese women were nowhere
>to be seen. then again, there were not many *** at that time, or they were
>lucky not being caught.

I bet these Chinese women swimers hate Chinese men intensely. It
is the unsatisfactory performance of Chinese men that makes Chinese
women being the victim of random accusation. To make it even, go
and *** them. :-)

 
 
 

China's Women

Post by Z. Ya » Sat, 11 Dec 1993 04:33:21


Quote:

>One explanation to why Chinese women have performed better than
>men may be that women's sports in the whole world was developed
>later than that of men's and therefore is easy to enter than men's
>where sports have been the show of strength in men's world for
>thousands of years. Therefore it is more difficult to catch up men's
>world level. But if you see the progress of Chinese male athlets,

if my memory serves right, there were couple of male chinese world record
breakers in swimming(***stroke?) in 60's, and chinese women were nowhere
to be seen. then again, there were not many *** at that time, or they were
lucky not being caught.
Quote:
>you will still see a great progress compare to what ten years ago.
>So I wouldn't say that Chinese men are too bad, just that the hurdle
>is too high.
>One thing I know is that the compitition among Chinese themselves
>is also high, therefore any athlet using drug, if cought, unless
>unknowingly, will definitely end his/her career. This is even more
>sever than America. So are the coaches.

>>-tim

 
 
 

China's Women

Post by Billy T. L » Sat, 18 Dec 1993 03:33:40


Quote:
>Another crucial point to make is that many East German competitors
>(including Katarina Witt and some of their former swimmers) have
>testified to the fact that they were forced to regularly intake
>steroids and other *** as part of their training regimen.
>The rampant success of the female athletes from China fell imm-
>ediately on the heels of the arrival of East German trainers and
>coaches in China to train these athletes.

>Whenever an East German athlete was tested positive by steriods
>(by the East German staff), that athlete did NOT arrive for
>competition and the positive test results were kept secret.  Thus
>no 'proof' of steroid use was ever obtained at the time.
>I seriously doubt that any of the Chinese coaches/trainers/administrators
>would be foolish enough not to follow this policy.  It's therefore
>silly to say that they cannot be using steroids, because if they
>were, they would be caught.  That simply isn't true.
>I'm not saying that I'm certain the Chinese women swimmers are
>using steroids.  I'm saying it's the most logical reason for these
>incredible performances and until I see some evidence of wondrous
>'herbs' that only enhance performance of women from China, I'm going
>to continue to see it that way.

Contrary to this, America sometimes recruit it coaching athleti
talent from former Eastern European block countries who has been
rumored to have been using steroids. On top of that, America has the
highest documented cases of steroid abuse in their athletes. Granted,
there is no formal policy for steroid use, but there could very well
be an informal one. There will always be coaches willing to look
the context for their star athletes. There will always be athetes
willing to take the risk of being caught. Seeing as though there is no
national policy for screening all athletes for steroids before a
tournament, it would be foolish to say that there haven't been
American athletes who cheated by using steroids and never got caught.