Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Vannevar » Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:36:25



Quote:

>I always tempt to buy VASA swim machine. However something in my mind tells me
>not to buy it, YET.  I don't want to waste investment if I buy a wrong kind for
>myself and for Gallaudet Univ. Swimming team.  Do you ever try or hear about
>VASA swim machine?  Good material?? The picture of it in magaine looks cheap
>to me. Hopefully someone out there who reads this can help me with better
>on ground machine specificially for stroke techniques.  Thanks!

I'm looking into purchasing some dryland equipment myself, and have seen the
VASA brochures (but not the actual machine).  It's not cheap and doesn't look
cheap (IMNSHO), but what are its advantages over a program that uses
stretchcords?  Instead of spending >$600 on a swim bench one could spend
~$50 for stretchcords, hook 'em up, and train, too.  What's the catch?

Inquiring Mind and Painful Shoulders Want to Know!

thanks,

Vannevar
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Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Lynn Marsha » Thu, 30 Sep 1993 22:32:40

I tried a VASA trainer at a swim meet a couple of years ago (didn't do
much since I had to race that day).  I guess the major difference is that
the resistance is more constant than with stretchcords.  With stretchcords
it gets harder the further you pull.  Since it's the top part of my
stroke that hurts my shoulders, perhaps the fact that the stretchcords
are easier at that point isn't such a bad thing!

In any case, over the past couple of months I've been doing lots of
stretchcords (the closest I was able to get to swimming).  With my neck
brace I wouldn't have been able to use a swim bench, since I couldn't lie
on my stomach.

I think that the stretchcords have done me some good!  I got my neck
brace off on Monday.  I still can't really do any freestyle (my neck muscles
are still too stiff for me to turn my head comfortably), but my backstroke
feels pretty good considering everything!



 
 
 

Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Vannevar » Thu, 30 Sep 1993 23:30:20

As a follow-up to this discussion, the three mail shots I have received
regarding dryland swim training include:

Stretch Cordz
NZ Manufacturing, Inc. 800-886-6621
They have models ranging from ~29.95 to 38.00 USD, or a modular set
for 48.50 USD (mini modular for 43.50).  Just cords and stuff, so I guess
you attach it to a wall or something.

Vasa Swim Trainer
Vasa, Inc./SportsAdvantage 800-488-VASA
$695.00 USD plus shipping ($$$) but I think there may be a special offer of
$100 off or something like that.  You get Bob Sleamaker's book for free.
Looks really nice, reminds me of Nordic when they were starting up years ago.

Swim Bench/Super-2 Mini Gym (Wall Pulley)/Butterfly Rotator
Fitness To Go, Inc.  800-821-3126
Swim Bench is $1,295.00 USD plus shipping ($) ($895.00 USD w/o electronics)
and other stuff ranges from $995.00 USD (Butterly Rotator) to $1,595.00 USD
(Leaper with Force Dial, which your local football hero can also use).  Wall
units are from $199.00 USD (Super Mini-Gym) to $795.00 USD (Super 2 with
electronic readout) plus shipping ($).  They make a *lot* of gym stuff here!

I have *NOT* used any of the products sold by these 3 companies, but I will
be looking at Stretch Cordz first since the "price is right".  :-)

Please post any experience (positive or negative) you have!  Pretty please!

Vannevar
Left Shoulder: Internal Derangement
Right Shoulder: Impingement Syndrome
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Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Jay R. Gind » Wed, 06 Oct 1993 05:57:48

: As a follow-up to this discussion, the three mail shots I have received
: regarding dryland swim training include:

: Vasa Swim Trainer
: Vasa, Inc./SportsAdvantage 800-488-VASA
: $695.00 USD plus shipping ($$$) but I think there may be a special offer of
: $100 off or something like that.  You get Bob Sleamaker's book for free.
: Looks really nice, reminds me of Nordic when they were starting up years ago.

: I have *NOT* used any of the products sold by these 3 companies, but I will
: be looking at Stretch Cordz first since the "price is right".  :-)

: Please post any experience (positive or negative) you have!  Pretty please!

I have used the VASA swim trainer extensively for the past two years, and I
LOVE IT!!  I feel it has helped my swimming immensly in a number of ways:
first of all, it allowed my coach to watch what I was doing without getting
in the water with me; we were able to find (and correct!) a few small problems
with my stroke (namely, dropping my elbows).  In addition, I feel you get a
much better workout with the VASA than with stretch cords--it is way too easy
to "cheat" with stretch cords, whereas with the VASA it is much more demanding.

If you can, however, you may find that a routine which uses both the VASA _and_
stretch cords (for different exersizes) is a great way to go...

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Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Richard Daws » Wed, 06 Oct 1993 12:08:40

My brother and I are having a discussion about the worst/most
difficult workouts we've ever done in a pool. As he was a distance
swimmer at MIT, and I a ***roker at Columbia, we had different
stories, but in all our workouts were not pleasant.

Would anyone else care to share with me a very difficult set
or two they have done so I can compare?

Thanks,

Dick Dawson
Oracle

 
 
 

Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Stev » Thu, 07 Oct 1993 02:36:04

Quote:
>Would anyone else care to share with me a very difficult set
>or two they have done so I can compare?

3 x 1500 meters butterfly on 22:00 in 1983
no one arms allowed!

16 x 200 meters butterfly on 3:00, 2:50, 2:40, 2:30 in groups of 4
in 1985.

1 x 800 meters butterfly i had to beat Mary T. or do it again! in 1984

1000, 2000, 3000, 2000, 1000 on 11:00, 23:00, 34:00, 22:00, 10:30
this one was also in 1984 at USC olympic pool.

all of these sets were done at Mission Viejo
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Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Andrew C Russe » Thu, 07 Oct 1993 09:45:29

Hi!

One of the longest workouts I ever did was in a 50m pool
as part of a Christmas-Training camp.  It took about 3 hours
to finish.

200 Swim, 200 Kick, 200 IM
400 Swim, 400 Kick, 400 IM
800 Swim, 800 Kick, 800 IM
1600 Swim, 1600 Kick, 1600 IM
800 ....
400 ....
200 ...

For a grand total of 13,200 Long course meters!

Oh yeah, by the way, NO REST!  STRAIGHT SWIMMING!

We also had a set of 4 * 4 * 400 once, on descending pace times, also LCM.
That was tough too.

Regards,
Andrew Russell  ( A fat slob now! )
University of Waterloo, Canada

 
 
 

Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Larry Chapm » Thu, 07 Oct 1993 10:53:28


Quote:
> Hi!
> One of the longest workouts I ever did was in a 50m pool
> as part of a Christmas-Training camp.  It took about 3 hours
> to finish.
> 200 Swim, 200 Kick, 200 IM
> 400 Swim, 400 Kick, 400 IM
> 800 Swim, 800 Kick, 800 IM
> 1600 Swim, 1600 Kick, 1600 IM
> 800 ....
> 400 ....
> 200 ...
> For a grand total of 13,200 Long course meters!
> Oh yeah, by the way, NO REST!  STRAIGHT SWIMMING!
> We also had a set of 4 * 4 * 400 once, on descending pace times, also LCM.
> That was tough too.

Are you bragging or apologizing?  ;-)

-- LSC

 
 
 

Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Richard Osterbe » Thu, 07 Oct 1993 12:00:24

Quote:
>One of the longest workouts I ever did was in a 50m pool
>as part of a Christmas-Training camp.  It took about 3 hours
>to finish.

The longest set I ever did was also on X-mas training, and also LCM:


2 x 700
3 x 600
4 x 500   (interval descending with relatively evenly)
5 x 400
6 x 300
7 x 200

Comes out to 12,000 meters for the set.  That didn't include 3,000 in
warmup sets.
-Rick
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Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Nuna » Fri, 08 Oct 1993 04:39:40


Quote:

>One of the longest workouts I ever did was in a 50m pool
>as part of a Christmas-Training camp.  It took about 3 hours
>to finish.

>200 Swim, 200 Kick, 200 IM
>400 Swim, 400 Kick, 400 IM
>800 Swim, 800 Kick, 800 IM
>1600 Swim, 1600 Kick, 1600 IM
>800 ....
>400 ....
>200 ...

>For a grand total of 13,200 Long course meters!
>Oh yeah, by the way, NO REST!  STRAIGHT SWIMMING!

Oouuch!  How could you get your head out of the water to breathe on the
400 m butterfly leg in the middle of that?  Did your butterfly look more
like *** stroke by the end?  Hell of a workout there!


 
 
 

Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Doug Smi » Fri, 08 Oct 1993 05:55:16


Quote:
>My brother and I are having a discussion about the worst/most
>difficult workouts we've ever done in a pool. As he was a distance
>swimmer at MIT, and I a ***roker at Columbia, we had different
>stories, but in all our workouts were not pleasant.

>Would anyone else care to share with me a very difficult set
>or two they have done so I can compare?

>Thanks,

>Dick Dawson
>Oracle

Here's what we did last night in the master's group I swim with. It was pure
hell for me, but I'm not a very good swimmer. We did our usual 1000yd
warmup before doing the hellish workout described below.

The workout is 20 x 100 freestyle, done as two sets of 10 x 100. The first
set starts on a 2 minute interval. The interval decreases by 5 seconds with
each 100, i.e. 2:00, 1:55, 1:50, etc... When you finish the 1st 10, you start
over.

The goal is to hold a steady pace the entire set.

-Doug Smith

 
 
 

Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Ben Grig » Fri, 08 Oct 1993 22:01:06

Quote:


>>My brother and I are having a discussion about the worst/most
>>difficult workouts we've ever done in a pool. As he was a distance
>>swimmer at MIT, and I a ***roker at Columbia, we had different
>>stories, but in all our workouts were not pleasant.

>>Would anyone else care to share with me a very difficult set
>>or two they have done so I can compare?

>>Thanks,

>>Dick Dawson
>>Oracle

>Here's what we did last night in the master's group I swim with. It was pure
>hell for me, but I'm not a very good swimmer. We did our usual 1000yd
>warmup before doing the hellish workout described below.

>The workout is 20 x 100 freestyle, done as two sets of 10 x 100. The first
>set starts on a 2 minute interval. The interval decreases by 5 seconds with
>each 100, i.e. 2:00, 1:55, 1:50, etc... When you finish the 1st 10, you start
>over.

>The goal is to hold a steady pace the entire set.

>-Doug Smith

I did a set similar to this in high school. Only it was 91 X 100's.
(new years eve of 1991) with rest in between every 5, and a decrease of
5 seconds until my cruise time (my average 100 split while swimming a
mile) was reached. Our team was happy to get out of the pool after
this one.
 
 
 

Dryland Swim Training (was Re: VASA Swim Mach. ???)

Post by Keith Nia » Sun, 10 Oct 1993 03:47:30

Actually, the worst set that I've ever done in Master's swimming
went like this:

25 pushups on the deck
100 sprint freestyle
24 pushups on the deck
100 sprint freestyle
23 puchups on the deck

Oh, you get the idea. Just continue until you reach zero pushups.
It's absolute torture.  I had icepacks on both biceps that night,
and slept comfortably.

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