US Swmmer tests positive for steroids

US Swmmer tests positive for steroids

Post by Brian Brown » Tue, 07 Nov 1995 04:00:00


Two American women have tested positively in seven years. These are
random events. There is a strong anti-doping program here. Forbes
Carlile calls for full discovery (if - type, how, who administered,
etc.) before making an expedient decision. I agree with Forbes that we
must hold judgment until the full facts are known. Remember, 19 Chinese
have tested positively, most with DHT, a very sophisticated drug.
Australia and America are the two leading opponents of doping in
swimming. I hope this event (one swimmer) does not divide the current
effort being made by both the US and Australia to eradicate doping. I
am sure that this event will be fully investigated and the facts
brought to light.

 
 
 

US Swmmer tests positive for steroids

Post by TriDor » Sat, 11 Nov 1995 04:00:00


Quote:


>> The fact remains that a violation of the rule must be treated uniformly if
>> the enforcement is to have any teeth in it. No exceptions.

>Agreed, Yes, we need the m***high ground.

>Rgds.

There are several ways to violate a banned use of a substance.
they need to be handled differently.

First: an athelte can chose to take steroids (as an example) on
their own (or with a coaches help) and therefore end up failing a
test. This person should be banned from sport (not just the sport
they were involved in at the time of the offense)for life.

Second: They can have the substance given to them without their
knowledge. In this case the giver (if that person can be found)
should be banned, fined etc. The person failing the test would
get a short term suspension and be on probation, which would
include multiple retests.

Third: A country or Sports organization could systematically
administer the banned substance to a group of athletes. In this
case the athletes should be banned for life and the organization
or country should be banned from participation in that sport (or
all sports) for a reasonable period of time (say 5 years or 2
olympics)

If American athletes (or any country) catches their own athletes
taking banned substances, then that shows their anti-drug program
is working. If a country catches another countries athletes
taking the banned substance (especially when they're repeatedly
caught as in the case of the Chinese) then that shows a country
is systematically being used.

The young American girl (and probably her coach) are most likely
to be simply cheating lying weasels that are stupid enough to
think they can get away with it. They are not an indication that
the Americans are systematically cheating the way the Chinese
apparently are. They shouldn't be treated the same. I say ban the
American girl for life. I also think the Chinese women should be
banned for life. As well, the Chinese should be banned from
sending swim teams to Atlanta and Sydney.

TriDork

(aka marcus perry)

 
 
 

US Swmmer tests positive for steroids

Post by Mary Rya » Tue, 14 Nov 1995 04:00:00

There are several things which puzzles me about the whole situtation.

1-)  For one, why is it that the Chinese women tested positive and the
Chinese men were negative?  Were the Chinese men tested?  I would
imagine, following the line of thought of such a coach or who ever
distributed these products, that he/she would also distribute it to the
men as well.  

2-)  Why is it that, at least in swimming, that the majority of positive
steroid use has come from the women?  Are there or were there any
positive results for the men?  In other sports it seems that the
majority of positive results came from the men.

3-)  How frequent are these tests now and what about the accuracy?  It
seems very interesting to hear stories of East German women now comming
out and ommiting to such use yet, there tests were negative (if they
were given any tests or such test was very innacurate).  Perhaps the
testing equipment is not up to speed in other countries.

4-)  Why do some people doubt such results, if done accurately?  I have
conversations with people doubting the accuracy of a positive result.  
15 years ago, obviously, the equipment was not as accurate.  Today, it
is.  I have worked on such analytical equipment before in a large
chemical company and we can find anything in a *** or urine sample.  
(To bad during the OJ trial, those jurors didn't have a lesson in
analytical chemistry because they use DNA testing to identify bodies in
Vietnam 20 years dead in jungles...now that is contamination!).

5-)  And why not test everyone who is competing in an international
event, regardless of age, country, sex, or placing? This way, the
politics are left out.

Mary Ryan


 
 
 

US Swmmer tests positive for steroids

Post by Mary Rya » Tue, 14 Nov 1995 04:00:00

There are several things which puzzles me about the whole situtation.

1-)  For one, why is it that the Chinese women tested positive and the
Chinese men were negative?  Were the Chinese men tested?  I would
imagine, following the line of thought of such a coach or who ever
distributed these products, that he/she would also distribute it to the
men as well.  

2-)  Why is it that, at least in swimming, that the majority of positive
steroid use has come from the women?  Are there or were there any
positive results for the men?  In other sports it seems that the
majority of positive results came from the men.

3-)  How frequent are these tests now and what about the accuracy?  It
seems very interesting to hear stories of East German women now comming
out and ommiting to such use yet, there tests were negative (if they
were given any tests or such test was very innacurate).  Perhaps the
testing equipment is not up to speed in other countries.

4-)  Why do some people doubt such results, if done accurately?  I have
conversations with people doubting the accuracy of a positive result.  
15 years ago, obviously, the equipment was not as accurate.  Today, it
is.  I have worked on such analytical equipment before in a large
chemical company and we can find anything in a *** or urine sample.  
(To bad during the OJ trial, those jurors didn't have a lesson in
analytical chemistry because they use DNA testing to identify bodies in
Vietnam 20 years dead in jungles...now that is contamination!).

5-)  And why not test everyone who is competing in an international
event, regardless of age, country, sex, or placing? This way, the
politics are left out.

Mary Ryan

 
 
 

US Swmmer tests positive for steroids

Post by S1swi » Tue, 14 Nov 1995 04:00:00

Mary,
The men in China have tested positive for steroids.  Only it is less
common for men because taking steroids is less of a factor in high level
performance for men.  So that any man taking steroids is less likely to
achieve as high a success as a woman taking steroids.  A woman on steroids
will be much more significantly stronger than her clean counterparts.  As
for men on steroids that gap is much less significant.  So since it is
less likely that a man taking steroids will reach the top level of
swimming they will not get tested as much.  The chinese are a perfect
example of this.  They went from having virtually no competitive males or
females in the 1988 Olympics to virtual domination of the womens events at
the 1994 World championships.  The men have improved, but are by no means
***.

Another interesting thing about the Chinese athletes is that each year
they are producing new top level athletes, where in the US the top level
athletes have been there for a while, with far less turnover in elite
athletes.

As for testing every athlete, that would be nice but it is simply not
practical.  Testing is very complicated procedure, and takes a minimum of
thirty minutes for each athlete to just get the urine sample let alone
test it.  Sometimes athletes have to wait up to six hours to urinate!  The
process is simply too complicated to be able to test each and every
athlete.

Steve

 
 
 

US Swmmer tests positive for steroids

Post by S1swi » Sat, 18 Nov 1995 04:00:00

In response to the comment by Adam Bridge about sabotage.

I am an athlete on the US National team.  I do not believe the idea of
sabotage could be real.  First, the steroids were from Europe, not that
many of the US athletes were in Europe this summer.  Second, I do not
believe that the US has a major epidemic of drug users.  
If she drank from someone elses water bottle for a positive test, then the
other athlete would test positive as well.  I dont think that anyone would
bring steroids to a meet, let alone take it while they were competing.  If
someone took steroids they would take it in private so they wont get
caught in the act.  The other reason would be that why would someone
decide to sabotage the third place finisher, why wouldnt they go after
Janet, after all she won the event for eight years straight.

The most likely case is that the coaches gave it to her to improve her
performances.  And I do not consider that sabotage.  The Chinese coaches
give their athletes steroids without the knowledge of the athlete, and yet
we still ban those athletes.  So whether it is a parent, coach, or the
athlete that takes the steroids is not the point.  The point is that there
were steroids in her body in the first place.

Also each athlete sent to either the Pan Pacs or the World University
Games were tested by the USOC prior to the meet.  The USOC wanted to make
sure that there were no positive tests made by FINA, so your suggestion
was done.  Each athlete who will make the US Olympic team next March will
be tested, as well as a random sample of the rest of the competitors in
the Trials

Comments?
Sincerely,
Steve West