Japanese vs. Chinese swimming: racism debunked

Japanese vs. Chinese swimming: racism debunked

Post by gendr.. » Tue, 30 Jul 1996 04:00:00


CHINESE VS. JAPANESE SWIMMING DURING THE YEARS 1989 TO 1995

Between the years 1988 and 1995 there has been a lot of controversy
about performance enhancing drug use by Chinese swimmers.  By the
summer of 1994 there was a significant amount evidence against the Chinese
programs:

* the unprecedented meteoric rise of Chinese women between 1989 and 1994

* the complete domination by Chinese women in several swimming events
  after such a short time (such as the 50 free)

* Some Chinese female swimmers are breaking world records in spite of
  extremely poor stroke technique

* the huge disparity between Chinese men and women in swimming and
  the lack of any rational explanation for this excluding drug abuse

* the stagnant, low level performance of Chinese men in swimming during
  the same time period, despite access to the same coaches, training, diet,
  etc., and that Chinese coaches repeatedly claimed the men would be
  on par with the women soon.

* four Chinese female swimmers testing positive for steroids as of early
  1994 (a record for any nation in women's swimming)

* the fact that swimmers were caught using a steroid that in it's ***
  form clears the system in 10 days (therefore, no excuse to get caught)
  leads one to believe that these cases are the tip of the iceberg.  
  [As of early 1994 there was very little out of competition testing].

* extensive evidence of Chinese swimmers exhibiting the physical signs
  of steroid abuse including low voices, acne, and heavy musculature.

* given the nature of the Chinese government, as well as the government
  sponsored provincially centralized sports system, it is difficult to
  imagine how these steroids are getting to Chinese athletes without
  involvement of the Chinese swim programs and coaches.

Then came the Asian Games in the fall of 1994, where six more  
swimmers tested positive.  In March 1995 FINA released a report
stating that nine more Chinese had previously tested positive,
bringing the total to nine***.  Despite all this, many of those who defend  
the Chinese swim programs still cry "racism" as the motivation for criticism
of the Chinese program.  

If you are genuinely interested in informing yourself about the framework
of this debate, read the following article on the web:

at http://SportToday.org/***/table.html

"Comments on the Use of *** in Chinese Sports", which I wrote in 1994
before the Asian Games of that year.  

It is obvious that many readers of these newsgroups are not informed
on the issues.      

During the same time period another Asian nation, Japan, was making major
advances in swimming.  I have compiled a list of Japanese and Chinese
world top 25 performances for each year from 1989 to 1995.  See below
for data taking from the annual world rankings issues published by Swimming
World.  This data summarizes a lot of information which has been questioned
on many newsgroups lately.  

If you are genuinely interested in factual information, I suggest
you print this and look it over in detail.  

Why is it that Japan was able to make significant advances in swimming
during this period, and nobody in the world swimming community complained,
but that many people did complain about China?   Is it because the world
community is prejudice against Chinese but not Japanese?  Or is it because
there is a lot of evidence implicating the Chinese, but no evidence
implicating the Japanese?

Contrast these observations about the progress of Japanese swimming with
those listed above for Chinese swimming:

* no Japanese swimmer has tested positive for steroids (also, some
readers of these newsgroups have been demanding names of Chinese
swimmers names who tested positive.  Several names are included in
the 1994 table presented below).

* Japanese swimmers have shown none of the physical manifestations of
steroid abuse.  In fact they are frequently exceptionally slender
and non-muscular

* the progress of the Japanese program has been steady and reasonable.
The combined male and female number of top 25 rankings increased from
10 in 1989, to 50 in 1995, following a reasonable progression.  Meanwhile
the number of Chinese female top 25 performances rocketed up from 18 in
1991, to 102 in 1993, and plummeted back down to 13 in 1995.  Is it
just a coincidence that the large number of positive drug tests among
Chinese swimmers occurred in 1994??  Meanwhile the number of Chinese
male top 25 rankings was relatively constant, and much, much, much
lower than the women, floating between 1 and 8, but peaking in
1993.

* There is a disparity between the number of top 25 Japanese male
and female swimmers.  But, the the ratio of Japanese female to male
top 25 performances is 2 (twice as many), whereas the ratio of Chinese
female to male top 25 performances is 10 (i.e. TEN times as many!).
Also, a male Japanese swimmer had claimed Olympic gold all the way
back in 1988 (Daichi Suzuki)

* Consider the ultimate power event in swimming, the 50 freestyle.  
The percentage of Chinese women's top 25 performance in the 50 free
to the total number of their top 25 performances is 15.6% (40/256),
compared with 1.37% for Japanese women (2/146).  Since there are
14 individual swimming events, an even distribution would result in
7% per event.  

The above analysis is targeted to show that there is plenty of
evidence against Chinese swimming programs.   That this data is amply
sufficient to make a sensible person conclude that something is
seriously amiss in the Chinese swimming programs.  That the advances
in Japanese swimming have gone unchallenged makes the accusations
of racial prejudice ludicrous.

Note:  in a different post I would like to deal with the other wrongheaded
conclusion being made across many newsgroups:  that the Chinese
swim program is presently being treated unfairly.

see tabular data below:

TOTAL NUMBER OF TOP 25 RANKINGS FOR CHINESE AND JAPANESE MEN AND WOMEN

                   1989  1990  1991  1992  1993  1994  1995   7yr Total

Chinese men         4     4     1     2     8     4     2       25
Chinese women      15    24    18    27    102   57    13      256
Japanese men        2     3    13    11     13   15    16       73  
Japanese women      8     7    21    20     23   33    34      146

Ratio of Chinese women to Chinese men's rankings (7 yr) = 256/25 = 10.2

Ratio of Japanese women to Japanese men's rankings (7yr) = 146/73 = 2.0

===============================================================

Values tabulated are the placements within the top 25 best times
of the year:

                       1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989

         JAPAN  JAPAN  JAPAN          CHINA   CHINA  CHINA

             MEN        WOMEN         MEN     WOMEN  

50 free                               13      10, 14, 15
100 free                              16      2, 11
200 free                                      14
400 free  
800 free  
1500 free               21
100 back                                      10
200 back                11
100 ***              25            15      23
200 ***  21          24                    13
100 fly                 23             3      5
200 fly     14          4, 13                 6, 9
200 IM                                        2
400 IM                  19                    6, 24

TOTAL:      2            8             4      15

====================================================================

Values tabulated are the placements within the top 25 best times
of the year:

                    1990 1990 1990 1990 1990 1990 1990 1990

         JAPAN  JAPAN  JAPAN          CHINA   CHINA  CHINA

             MEN        WOMEN         MEN     WOMEN        

50 free                               21      1, 14, 25
100 free                                      1, 5, 25
200 free                19                    10, 25
400 free                                      13, 15
800 free
1500 free
100 back                              22      15, 19, 21
200 back                15                    9
100 ***                            13      1
200 ***  13          15                    3, 8
100 fly                               12      1,2  
200 fly     9, 15       16                    2,3
200 IM                  14                    1
400 IM                  16,17                 2,8  

TOTAL:      3            7             4      24

====================================================================

Values tabulated are the placements within the top 25 best times
of the year:
                       1991 1991 1991 1991 1991 1991 1991    

         JAPAN  JAPAN  JAPAN             CHINA   CHINA  CHINA

             MEN        WOMEN            MEN     WOMEN        

50 free      
100 free                15,24                    1,6,8,21,22,23
200 free                7,18                     5,21,25
400 free                3                        13
800 free     12
1500 free    17,21      10
100 back      
200 back     18         19                       22
100 ***   11         23
200 ***   9,23       8,14                     16
100 fly      22         7,11             10      1,2,18
200 fly      13,14,21   2,3,12,13,20             4
200 IM       21         23                       1
400 IM       14         12,21,25                 2

TOTAL:       13         21                1      18

====================================================================

Values tabulated are the placements within the top 25 best times
of the year:

                       1992 1992 1992 1992 1992 1992 1992    

         JAPAN  JAPAN  JAPAN             CHINA   CHINA  CHINA

             MEN        WOMEN            MEN     WOMEN        

50 free                                        
...

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Japanese vs. Chinese swimming: racism debunked

Post by Guning P » Tue, 30 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Dear Sir,

        I would appreciate if you sgive a summary about American
drug use history.

: CHINESE VS. JAPANESE SWIMMING DURING THE YEARS 1989 TO 1995

: Between the years 1988 and 1995 there has been a lot of controversy
: about performance enhancing drug use by Chinese swimmers.  By the
: summer of 1994 there was a significant amount evidence against the Chinese
: programs:
:  

: * the unprecedented meteoric rise of Chinese women between 1989 and 1994

: * the complete domination by Chinese women in several swimming events
:   after such a short time (such as the 50 free)

: * Some Chinese female swimmers are breaking world records in spite of
:   extremely poor stroke technique

: * the huge disparity between Chinese men and women in swimming and
:   the lack of any rational explanation for this excluding drug abuse

: * the stagnant, low level performance of Chinese men in swimming during
:   the same time period, despite access to the same coaches, training, diet,
:   etc., and that Chinese coaches repeatedly claimed the men would be
:   on par with the women soon.

: * four Chinese female swimmers testing positive for steroids as of early
:   1994 (a record for any nation in women's swimming)

: * the fact that swimmers were caught using a steroid that in it's ***
:   form clears the system in 10 days (therefore, no excuse to get caught)
:   leads one to believe that these cases are the tip of the iceberg.  
:   [As of early 1994 there was very little out of competition testing].

: * extensive evidence of Chinese swimmers exhibiting the physical signs
:   of steroid abuse including low voices, acne, and heavy musculature.

: * given the nature of the Chinese government, as well as the government
:   sponsored provincially centralized sports system, it is difficult to
:   imagine how these steroids are getting to Chinese athletes without
:   involvement of the Chinese swim programs and coaches.

: Then came the Asian Games in the fall of 1994, where six more  
: swimmers tested positive.  In March 1995 FINA released a report
: stating that nine more Chinese had previously tested positive,
: bringing the total to nine***.  Despite all this, many of those who defend  
: the Chinese swim programs still cry "racism" as the motivation for criticism
: of the Chinese program.  

: If you are genuinely interested in informing yourself about the framework
: of this debate, read the following article on the web:

: at http://SportToday.org/***/table.html

: "Comments on the Use of *** in Chinese Sports", which I wrote in 1994
: before the Asian Games of that year.  

: It is obvious that many readers of these newsgroups are not informed
: on the issues.      

: During the same time period another Asian nation, Japan, was making major
: advances in swimming.  I have compiled a list of Japanese and Chinese
: world top 25 performances for each year from 1989 to 1995.  See below
: for data taking from the annual world rankings issues published by Swimming
: World.  This data summarizes a lot of information which has been questioned
: on many newsgroups lately.  

: If you are genuinely interested in factual information, I suggest
: you print this and look it over in detail.  

: Why is it that Japan was able to make significant advances in swimming
: during this period, and nobody in the world swimming community complained,
: but that many people did complain about China?   Is it because the world
: community is prejudice against Chinese but not Japanese?  Or is it because
: there is a lot of evidence implicating the Chinese, but no evidence
: implicating the Japanese?

: Contrast these observations about the progress of Japanese swimming with
: those listed above for Chinese swimming:

: * no Japanese swimmer has tested positive for steroids (also, some
: readers of these newsgroups have been demanding names of Chinese
: swimmers names who tested positive.  Several names are included in
: the 1994 table presented below).

: * Japanese swimmers have shown none of the physical manifestations of
: steroid abuse.  In fact they are frequently exceptionally slender
: and non-muscular

: * the progress of the Japanese program has been steady and reasonable.
: The combined male and female number of top 25 rankings increased from
: 10 in 1989, to 50 in 1995, following a reasonable progression.  Meanwhile
: the number of Chinese female top 25 performances rocketed up from 18 in
: 1991, to 102 in 1993, and plummeted back down to 13 in 1995.  Is it
: just a coincidence that the large number of positive drug tests among
: Chinese swimmers occurred in 1994??  Meanwhile the number of Chinese
: male top 25 rankings was relatively constant, and much, much, much
: lower than the women, floating between 1 and 8, but peaking in
: 1993.

: * There is a disparity between the number of top 25 Japanese male
: and female swimmers.  But, the the ratio of Japanese female to male
: top 25 performances is 2 (twice as many), whereas the ratio of Chinese
: female to male top 25 performances is 10 (i.e. TEN times as many!).
: Also, a male Japanese swimmer had claimed Olympic gold all the way
: back in 1988 (Daichi Suzuki)

: * Consider the ultimate power event in swimming, the 50 freestyle.  
: The percentage of Chinese women's top 25 performance in the 50 free
: to the total number of their top 25 performances is 15.6% (40/256),
: compared with 1.37% for Japanese women (2/146).  Since there are
: 14 individual swimming events, an even distribution would result in
: 7% per event.  

: The above analysis is targeted to show that there is plenty of
: evidence against Chinese swimming programs.   That this data is amply
: sufficient to make a sensible person conclude that something is
: seriously amiss in the Chinese swimming programs.  That the advances
: in Japanese swimming have gone unchallenged makes the accusations
: of racial prejudice ludicrous.

: Note:  in a different post I would like to deal with the other wrongheaded
: conclusion being made across many newsgroups:  that the Chinese
: swim program is presently being treated unfairly.

: see tabular data below:

: TOTAL NUMBER OF TOP 25 RANKINGS FOR CHINESE AND JAPANESE MEN AND WOMEN

:                    1989  1990  1991  1992  1993  1994  1995   7yr Total

: Chinese men         4     4     1     2     8     4     2       25
: Chinese women      15    24    18    27    102   57    13      256
: Japanese men        2     3    13    11     13   15    16       73  
: Japanese women      8     7    21    20     23   33    34      146

: Ratio of Chinese women to Chinese men's rankings (7 yr) = 256/25 = 10.2

: Ratio of Japanese women to Japanese men's rankings (7yr) = 146/73 = 2.0

: ===============================================================

:                  
: Values tabulated are the placements within the top 25 best times
: of the year:
:                
:                        1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989 1989

:          JAPAN  JAPAN  JAPAN          CHINA   CHINA  CHINA

:              MEN        WOMEN         MEN     WOMEN  

: 50 free                               13      10, 14, 15
: 100 free                              16      2, 11
: 200 free                                      14
: 400 free  
: 800 free  
: 1500 free               21
: 100 back                                      10
: 200 back                11
: 100 ***              25            15      23
: 200 ***  21          24                    13
: 100 fly                 23             3      5
: 200 fly     14          4, 13                 6, 9
: 200 IM                                        2
: 400 IM                  19                    6, 24

: TOTAL:      2            8             4      15

: ====================================================================
:                  
: Values tabulated are the placements within the top 25 best times
: of the year:

:                     1990 1990 1990 1990 1990 1990 1990 1990

:          JAPAN  JAPAN  JAPAN          CHINA   CHINA  CHINA
:  
:              MEN        WOMEN         MEN     WOMEN        
:  
: 50 free                               21      1, 14, 25
: 100 free                                      1, 5, 25
: 200 free                19                    10, 25
: 400 free                                      13, 15
: 800 free
: 1500 free
: 100 back                              22      15, 19, 21
: 200 back                15                    9
: 100 ***                            13      1
: 200 ***  13          15                    3, 8
: 100 fly                               12      1,2  
: 200 fly     9, 15       16                    2,3
: 200 IM                  14                    1
: 400 IM                  16,17                 2,8  

: TOTAL:      3            7             4      24

: ====================================================================
:                  

: Values tabulated are the placements within the top 25 best times
: of the year:
:                        1991 1991 1991 1991 1991 1991 1991    

:          JAPAN  JAPAN  JAPAN             CHINA   CHINA  CHINA
:  
:              MEN        WOMEN            MEN     WOMEN        
:  
: 50 free      
: 100 free                15,24                    1,6,8,21,22,23
: 200 free                7,18                     5,21,25
: 400 free                3                        13
: 800 free     12
: 1500 free    17,21      10
: 100 back      
: 200 back     18         19                       22
: 100 ***   11         23
: 200 ***   9,23       8,14                     16
: 100 fly      22         7,11             10      1,2,18
: 200 fly      13,14,21   2,3,12,13,20             4
: 200 IM       21         23                       1
: 400 IM       14         12,21,25                
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Japanese vs. Chinese swimming: racism debunked

Post by gendr.. » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>CHINESE VS. JAPANESE SWIMMING DURING THE YEARS 1989 TO 1995

<SNIP>

Quote:
>If you are genuinely interested in informing yourself about the framework
>of this debate, read the following article on the web:

>at http://SportToday.org/***/table.html

>"Comments on the Use of *** in Chinese Sports", which I wrote in 1994
>before the Asian Games of that year.  

The above URL should read:

http://SportToday.org/***/table.html

sorry for any inconvenience...

Ed

 
 
 

Japanese vs. Chinese swimming: racism debunked

Post by Daniel Bre » Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Dear Sir,

>        I would appreciate if you sgive a summary about American
>drug use history.

Non-sequitor. Drug use history of American swimmers is irrelevant to the issue
of drug use  of Chinese women swimmers. I know they have a Logics course at
Tech-- why don't you avail yourself of it? BTW, there's also a pretty good
library there at tech-- do your own research. And while you're at it, learn
how to clip parts of articles you are not responding to. Saves on bandwidth.

Dan

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