American swimmer Angel Martino Might Be On Dope !!!!

American swimmer Angel Martino Might Be On Dope !!!!

Post by a » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00


    She certainly looks very suspicious. She was caught doping back in
1988. Would the American media bring this issue up? No, I don't think
so. It's just the way these people are. Considering how they treated
other non-American Champions, they should not be allowed to host The
Olympics anymore.

ak

 
 
 

American swimmer Angel Martino Might Be On Dope !!!!

Post by Michael W. Moo » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00

ak

Quote:

> Pray tell what are the details on Martino's 1988 ``doping'' conviction?

She tested positive for steroids and was suspended?

Yes.

 
 
 

American swimmer Angel Martino Might Be On Dope !!!!

Post by Brian D. Hindso » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>     She certainly looks very suspicious. She was caught doping back in
> 1988. Would the American media bring this issue up? No, I don't think
> so. It's just the way these people are. Considering how they treated
> other non-American Champions, they should not be allowed to host The
> Olympics anymore.

> akjealous much....hey we kicked a 2 world record holder off the team...sam

riley????

 
 
 

American swimmer Angel Martino Might Be On Dope !!!!

Post by Kirk Nels » Thu, 25 Jul 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>    She certainly looks very suspicious. She was caught doping back in
>1988. Would the American media bring this issue up? No, I don't think
>so. It's just the way these people are. Considering how they treated
>other non-American Champions, they should not be allowed to host The
>Olympics anymore.

Maybe you're right about the media not being totally ethical, but they
have certainly pointed out on several occasions that Martino was caught
doping in 1988.

Kirk Nelson

 
 
 

American swimmer Angel Martino Might Be On Dope !!!!

Post by Le-Min Yi » Fri, 26 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> >     She certainly looks very suspicious. She was caught doping back in
> > 1988. Would the American media bring this issue up? No, I don't think
> > so. It's just the way these people are. Considering how they treated
> > other non-American Champions, they should not be allowed to host The
> > Olympics anymore.

> > ak

> ak,

>      The circumstances around the Angel Mantino case was more similar to
> Samantha Riley than the Chinese.  Angel wasn't on heary 'riods' like some
> other competitors (from other countries).  She had used an antihistamine
> for a cold that contained a banned substance.  I think you're trying to
> compare apples and oranges....

> Paul

Some source said she took (Martino) took too much birth
control pills and resulted a similar effect as steroids
being detected in the sample, as suggested by her team
authority (or US) at that time.  But I guess she was
banned anyway that time.  She would have been in a much
better situation if it happened recently, as for Riley
and Foshi.
 
 
 

American swimmer Angel Martino Might Be On Dope !!!!

Post by creato » Fri, 26 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>     She certainly looks very suspicious. She was caught doping back in
> 1988. Would the American media bring this issue up? No, I don't think
> so. It's just the way these people are. Considering how they treated
> other non-American Champions, they should not be allowed to host The
> Olympics anymore.

> ak

Pray tell what are the details on Martino's 1988 ``doping'' conviction? She tested positive for steroids and was suspended?
 
 
 

American swimmer Angel Martino Might Be On Dope !!!!

Post by Tao » Fri, 26 Jul 1996 04:00:00

: >
: >     She certainly looks very suspicious. She was caught doping back in
: > 1988. Would the American media bring this issue up? No, I don't think
: > so. It's just the way these people are. Considering how they treated
: > other non-American Champions, they should not be allowed to host The
: > Olympics anymore.
: >
: > ak

: ak,

:      The circumstances around the Angel Mantino case was more similar to
: Samantha Riley than the Chinese.  Angel wasn't on heary 'riods' like some
: other competitors (from other countries).  She had used an antihistamine
: for a cold that contained a banned substance.  I think you're trying to
: compare apples and oranges....

  Good excuse. If O.J. Simpson had hired you, he would not have gone
  to court. He would have been released right after he killed
  his wife.

  I love this country.

  Tao

 
 
 

American swimmer Angel Martino Might Be On Dope !!!!

Post by Paul Burkhard » Fri, 26 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>     She certainly looks very suspicious. She was caught doping back in
> 1988. Would the American media bring this issue up? No, I don't think
> so. It's just the way these people are. Considering how they treated
> other non-American Champions, they should not be allowed to host The
> Olympics anymore.

> ak

ak,

     The circumstances around the Angel Mantino case was more similar to
Samantha Riley than the Chinese.  Angel wasn't on heary 'riods' like some
other competitors (from other countries).  She had used an antihistamine
for a cold that contained a banned substance.  I think you're trying to
compare apples and oranges....

Paul

 
 
 

American swimmer Angel Martino Might Be On Dope !!!!

Post by creato » Sat, 27 Jul 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



> > >     She certainly looks very suspicious. She was caught doping back in
> > > 1988. Would the American media bring this issue up? No, I don't think
> > > so. It's just the way these people are. Considering how they treated
> > > other non-American Champions, they should not be allowed to host The
> > > Olympics anymore.

> > > ak

> > ak,

> >      The circumstances around the Angel Mantino case was more similar to
> > Samantha Riley than the Chinese.  Angel wasn't on heary 'riods' like some
> > other competitors (from other countries).  She had used an antihistamine
> > for a cold that contained a banned substance.  I think you're trying to
> > compare apples and oranges....

> > Paul

> Some source said she took (Martino) took too much birth
> control pills and resulted a similar effect as steroids
> being detected in the sample, as suggested by her team
> authority (or US) at that time.  But I guess she was
> banned anyway that time.  She would have been in a much
> better situation if it happened recently, as for Riley
> and Foshi.

Well, now we have a troublesome load of conflicting ``information'' in
this thread.
 One guy says Angel took steroids, one says she took antihistamines,
 one says she took
 birth control pills. Maybe she took all three, and was pumping iron
 and getting laid while she didn't sneeze.
 
 
 

American swimmer Angel Martino Might Be On Dope !!!!

Post by James G. Ack » Sat, 03 Aug 1996 04:00:00

: >
: >     She certainly looks very suspicious. She was caught doping back in
: > 1988. Would the American media bring this issue up? No, I don't think
: > so. It's just the way these people are. Considering how they treated
: > other non-American Champions, they should not be allowed to host The
: > Olympics anymore.
: >
: > ak
:
: ak,
:
:      The circumstances around the Angel Mantino case was more similar to
: Samantha Riley than the Chinese.  Angel wasn't on heary 'riods' like some
: other competitors (from other countries).  She had used an antihistamine
: for a cold that contained a banned substance.  I think you're trying to
: compare apples and oranges....

        This is incorrect.  Martino was suspected of drug use
in 1988 because she put on a lot of muscle mass in a very short
period of time and dominated the '88 Trials.  She then tested
positive (very, very positive!) for a birth control medication
that is known to have steroidal effects when taken in high
dosages.  There is therefore a threshold level for the concentration
of this medication in the ***stream that must be exceeded for a
positive test. Martino exceeded this level by a considerable
amount.
        Since this comes up, let's also look at testosterone.
The test for dihydrotestoterone doping is based on the ratio of
testosterone to a natural metabolite.   The maximum normal
ratio is 2:1.   3:1 and even 4:1 has been found in persons
having glandular and hormonal abnormalities.  Therefore, the
threshold for a positive testosterone doping test is a ratio
of 6:1.
        This is what was tested for at the 1994 Asian Games,
where several Chinese woman swimmers tested positive.  
They exceeded the ratio of 6:1.  (It should be noted that
East German records show that during training, some of their
women were as high as 17:1.)   According to those who
did the testing at the Asian Games, several of the other
Chinese women swimmers were just barely under a 6:1 ratio.
Several of these women competed in Atlanta.
        The information about the Asian Games testing is
one of the main reasons Australian coach Forbes Carlile advocated
more severe sanctions against the Chinese swimming program, as
he considered the results strong evidence of widespread
steroid use, even though not all the results were "positive"
by the rules.

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