Newbie - Problems I'm having

Newbie - Problems I'm having

Post by robert.. » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00


Folks,

Started swimming in earnest about 2 months ago and I am having some
difficulties. I am just doing freestyle for now and doing some laps.
The main problem is my legs are under the water when I'm swimming and
they are also bent at the knees for the most part. I have watched
instuctors tell the young ones to just use a kickboard and go across
the pool. I tried using the kickboard and I'm basically stuck in place
(kicking fairly ***ly) not going anywhere.
I really don't see any lessons in my facility except for children. Any
advice would be appreciated. Not sure if my problem is common or if
there is some tools I can use to assist with the problems. Thanks much!!

Bob

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Post by Greg Gile » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Hope this is on the right track...
Your problem I think is that your hips are riding too low in the water.  A
technique called 'pressing the T' might be the answer.  Imagine your
shoulders as the cross of a t and press your shoulders to the bottom of the
pool.  This will rotate your hips toward the surface and place you in a more
streamlined position.  It is not important to actually push your shoulders
deeper into the water, just 'feel' yourself pressing down will cause the
rotation. HTH.  On another topic, I never liked the kickboards because it
locks you in to a static position that has nothing to do with a natural
freestyle roll from side to side.  Practice your kicks without a board on
your side for six or eight beats and then pull one stroke and rotate to the
other side.  Your legs are the strongest muscles on your body and don't need
the strength training of a kicking workout.
Anyway, if this isn't on the right track, I'm sure that someone will set me
straight.

Greg

Quote:

> Folks,

> Started swimming in earnest about 2 months ago and I am having some
> difficulties. I am just doing freestyle for now and doing some laps.
> The main problem is my legs are under the water when I'm swimming and
> they are also bent at the knees for the most part. I have watched
> instuctors tell the young ones to just use a kickboard and go across
> the pool. I tried using the kickboard and I'm basically stuck in place
> (kicking fairly ***ly) not going anywhere.
> I really don't see any lessons in my facility except for children. Any
> advice would be appreciated. Not sure if my problem is common or if
> there is some tools I can use to assist with the problems. Thanks much!!

> Bob

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Newbie - Problems I'm having

Post by Sherma » Tue, 01 Aug 2000 04:00:00

There has been a thread going on on that issue for some time now called
"Front crawl kick". Take a look, it might answer your questions and
probably more.

Sherman.

Quote:

> Folks,

> Started swimming in earnest about 2 months ago and I am having some
> difficulties. I am just doing freestyle for now and doing some laps.
> The main problem is my legs are under the water when I'm swimming and
> they are also bent at the knees for the most part. I have watched
> instuctors tell the young ones to just use a kickboard and go across
> the pool. I tried using the kickboard and I'm basically stuck in place
> (kicking fairly ***ly) not going anywhere.
> I really don't see any lessons in my facility except for children. Any
> advice would be appreciated. Not sure if my problem is common or if
> there is some tools I can use to assist with the problems. Thanks much!!

> Bob

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> Before you buy.


 
 
 

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Post by robert.. » Wed, 02 Aug 2000 04:00:00

My friend describes it as I'm doing moreso what is required for the
breatstroke with the action that your legs are currently doing. Maybe I
should take up that stroke!!  Thanks for your reply. Many people tell
me what I'm suppose to be doing but don't offer what practice or
technique to get myself to do it. At least you gave me something to
work on.



Quote:

> Hope this is on the right track...
> Your problem I think is that your hips are riding too low in the
water.  A
> technique called 'pressing the T' might be the answer.  Imagine your
> shoulders as the cross of a t and press your shoulders to the bottom
of the
> pool.  This will rotate your hips toward the surface and place you in
a more
> streamlined position.  It is not important to actually push your
shoulders
> deeper into the water, just 'feel' yourself pressing down will cause
the
> rotation. HTH.  On another topic, I never liked the kickboards
because it
> locks you in to a static position that has nothing to do with a
natural
> freestyle roll from side to side.  Practice your kicks without a
board on
> your side for six or eight beats and then pull one stroke and rotate
to the
> other side.  Your legs are the strongest muscles on your body and
don't need
> the strength training of a kicking workout.
> Anyway, if this isn't on the right track, I'm sure that someone will
set me
> straight.

> Greg




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Quote:
> > Folks,

> > Started swimming in earnest about 2 months ago and I am having some
> > difficulties. I am just doing freestyle for now and doing some laps.
> > The main problem is my legs are under the water when I'm swimming
and
> > they are also bent at the knees for the most part. I have watched
> > instuctors tell the young ones to just use a kickboard and go across
> > the pool. I tried using the kickboard and I'm basically stuck in
place
> > (kicking fairly ***ly) not going anywhere.
> > I really don't see any lessons in my facility except for children.
Any
> > advice would be appreciated. Not sure if my problem is common or if
> > there is some tools I can use to assist with the problems. Thanks
much!!

> > Bob

> > Sent via Deja.com http://SportToday.org/
> > Before you buy.

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Post by Bloody Viki » Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:24:06

: the pool. I tried using the kickboard and I'm basically stuck in place
: (kicking fairly ***ly) not going anywhere.

If I try a kickboard, I just waste energy too. If I do a freestyle, I more
like end up climbing across the water and the kicking wastes energy.

: I really don't see any lessons in my facility except for children. Any
: advice would be appreciated. Not sure if my problem is common or if
: there is some tools I can use to assist with the problems. Thanks much!!

If your pool allows you could try fins on your feet. Someone else gave me the
same idea. I'm a newbie too. How long did it take you to figure out the
freestyle breathing trick?

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Post by Graham Dowlin » Mon, 21 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Ankle flexibility ...

Using flippers (fins) will help your ankle to become more flexible ...
that's a big part of  freestyle kick ... if you use fins try to have a long
pair and maybe a cut of pair (or something like zoomers) ...

Also kick from the hips, try to keep yr knees straight .... (hmmm then again
I don't <s> ... oh well I've been swimming since I was 6, so my flexible
ankes must make up for that <s>)

Maybe this will help

Cheers


Quote:


> : the pool. I tried using the kickboard and I'm basically stuck in place
> : (kicking fairly ***ly) not going anywhere.

> If I try a kickboard, I just waste energy too. If I do a freestyle, I more
> like end up climbing across the water and the kicking wastes energy.

> : I really don't see any lessons in my facility except for children. Any
> : advice would be appreciated. Not sure if my problem is common or if
> : there is some tools I can use to assist with the problems. Thanks much!!

> If your pool allows you could try fins on your feet. Someone else gave me
the
> same idea. I'm a newbie too. How long did it take you to figure out the
> freestyle breathing trick?

> : Sent via Deja.com http://SportToday.org/
> : Before you buy.

> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your ***stream.

 
 
 

Newbie - Problems I'm having

Post by Graham Dowlin » Mon, 21 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Ankle flexibility ...

Using flippers (fins) will help your ankle to become more flexible ...
that's a big part of  freestyle kick ... if you use fins try to have a long
pair and maybe a cut of pair (or something like zoomers) ...

Also kick from the hips, try to keep yr knees straight .... (hmmm then again
I don't <s> ... oh well I've been swimming since I was 6, so my flexible
ankes must make up for that <s>)

Maybe this will help

Cheers


Quote:


> : the pool. I tried using the kickboard and I'm basically stuck in place
> : (kicking fairly ***ly) not going anywhere.

> If I try a kickboard, I just waste energy too. If I do a freestyle, I more
> like end up climbing across the water and the kicking wastes energy.

> : I really don't see any lessons in my facility except for children. Any
> : advice would be appreciated. Not sure if my problem is common or if
> : there is some tools I can use to assist with the problems. Thanks much!!

> If your pool allows you could try fins on your feet. Someone else gave me
the
> same idea. I'm a newbie too. How long did it take you to figure out the
> freestyle breathing trick?

> : Sent via Deja.com http://SportToday.org/
> : Before you buy.

> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your ***stream.

 
 
 

Newbie - Problems I'm having

Post by Bloody Viki » Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:04:00

: Also kick from the hips, try to keep yr knees straight .... (hmmm then again
: I don't <s> ... oh well I've been swimming since I was 6, so my flexible
: ankes must make up for that <s>)

Since I waste energy with kicking, I'll be able to look forward to some good
upper body strength. I'll just racewalk to build up the legs instead until I
either find a fin-friendly pool or possibly take up snorkeling or scuba
diving. (a long way off)

And good upper body strength is the boon of the would-be brachiator...

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FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your ***stream.

 
 
 

Newbie - Problems I'm having

Post by Kerry Wilso » Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>Since I waste energy with kicking, I'll be able to look forward to some
good
>upper body strength. I'll just racewalk to build up the legs instead until
I
>either find a fin-friendly pool or possibly take up snorkeling or scuba
>diving. (a long way off)

>And good upper body strength is the boon of the would-be brachiator...

Any luck with *** stroke?  The kick mechanics are totally different.  If
you can do the frog kick (not everyone can), breathing is a snap.
Otherwise, sidestroke is also a good stroke with easy, natural breathing.
It just sounds to me like you just need to spend more time in the water and
become more comfortable in there.
 
 
 

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Post by Bloody Viki » Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:00:00

: Any luck with *** stroke?  The kick mechanics are totally different.  If
: you can do the frog kick (not everyone can), breathing is a snap.
: Otherwise, sidestroke is also a good stroke with easy, natural breathing.

I never saw a ***stroker nor sidestroker.

: It just sounds to me like you just need to spend more time in the water and
: become more comfortable in there.

Obviously. (:

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FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your ***stream.

 
 
 

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Post by Kerry Wilso » Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Quote:


>: Any luck with *** stroke?  The kick mechanics are totally different.
If
>: you can do the frog kick (not everyone can), breathing is a snap.
>: Otherwise, sidestroke is also a good stroke with easy, natural breathing.

>I never saw a ***stroker nor sidestroker.

With any cooperation from the TV execs, you'll have a chance to see some of
the best in about 3 weeks!  Also, didn't Don Graft put up some ***stroke
videos?
 
 
 

Newbie - Problems I'm having

Post by Bloody Viki » Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:00:00

: With any cooperation from the TV execs, you'll have a chance to see some of
: the best in about 3 weeks!  Also, didn't Don Graft put up some ***stroke
: videos?

Can't access net.videos, but you're right. The Olympics are just around the
corner.

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FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your ***stream.

 
 
 

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Post by Sherma » Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:00:00

I thinks they are at:

http//members.xoom/swimfaster/***roke



Quote:


> >: Any luck with *** stroke?  The kick mechanics are totally different.
> If
> >: you can do the frog kick (not everyone can), breathing is a snap.
> >: Otherwise, sidestroke is also a good stroke with easy, natural
breathing.

> >I never saw a ***stroker nor sidestroker.

> With any cooperation from the TV execs, you'll have a chance to see some
of
> the best in about 3 weeks!  Also, didn't Don Graft put up some
***stroke
> videos?