questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

Post by allan Rolos » Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:00:00


My buddy ran out of his regular polaris oil and filled his indy 400 sled
up with a synthetic 2 cycle ,it now smokes  alot more and is doggish ,I
think he should turn his oil pump down to compensate for the different oil
or go back to his old oil type .Any suggetions on this one?
 
 
 

questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

Post by Mr Walter Pawli » Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Never mix petroleum based oil with synthetic oil.
It can coagulate and not flow into the carbs . i.e. engine could seize.

Formula Walt

Quote:

> My buddy ran out of his regular polaris oil and filled his indy 400 sled
> up with a synthetic 2 cycle ,it now smokes  alot more and is doggish ,I
> think he should turn his oil pump down to compensate for the different oil
> or go back to his old oil type .Any suggetions on this one?


 
 
 

questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

Post by Troy » Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I disagree on mixing synthetic with organic oils.  I have done it with
success, as well as people I know.  It does smoke a bit more, and I did turn
down the oil pump a bit.
Have successfully mixed Polaris syn./Polaris org. and Motul syn/Polaris org.

Obviously the best alternative if you are interested in synthetics is to run
them at 100%, but that can get expensive, especially with Motul at
$15.00/liter.
I will be running Motul exclusively at 100% next season though.

 
 
 

questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

Post by Paul Schnettle » Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I guess Castrol GTX (which is a synthetic/petro blend) is really a
bad product to use too...
Why don't you do some research and find out what your talking
about before blowin smoke up everybody's hinder!
Indy Paul
Quote:

> Never mix petroleum based oil with synthetic oil.
> It can coagulate and not flow into the carbs . i.e. engine could seize.

> Formula Walt

 
 
 

questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

Post by John J. Soward » Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> I guess Castrol GTX (which is a synthetic/petro blend) is really a
> bad product to use too...
> Why don't you do some research and find out what your talking
> about before blowin smoke up everybody's hinder!
> Indy Paul


> > Never mix petroleum based oil with synthetic oil.
> > It can coagulate and not flow into the carbs . i.e. engine could seize.

> > Formula Walt

Gotta agree with Indy, I have mixed them many times with no problems. I
have heard many say not to, but I think this is before the TCW-3
classification. I believe the ability to mix with others is one of the
standards that have to be met if the oil wants to meet TCW-3
classification. Any "experts" out there want to comment.
 
 
 

questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

Post by Phil Mitchel » Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Walt,

I hate to tell you this but, if you mix petroleum stocks with synthetic stocks
they do not react in any way that I have seen.

I tried mixing the Polaris synthetic with the petroleum Polaris plus Pennzoil,
Castrol, Yamalube and Phillips petroleum oils.  I mixed one batch thoroughly and
just let the other batch sit on top of each other.  I left them over night in
the garage at about 0 degrees F.  There appeared to be no interactions at all.

I heard that the TCW3 specs states that all TCW3 oils must mix with other oils
carrying the same marking without interaction.  I have not read the spec myself.

I started running the Polaris synthetic last year in both the XCR600SP ('96) and
the XLT-SP ('94) by adding to the oil tank as the petroleum oil was used up.  I
have had no problems with oil consumption or coagulation.  They do smoke a lot
less and the 'oily' smell is not near as strong.

You might want to do some investigation on your own before you make blanket
statements as you did.

Phil

Quote:

> Never mix petroleum based oil with synthetic oil.
> It can coagulate and not flow into the carbs . i.e. engine could seize.

> Formula Walt


> > My buddy ran out of his regular polaris oil and filled his indy 400 sled
> > up with a synthetic 2 cycle ,it now smokes  alot more and is doggish ,I
> > think he should turn his oil pump down to compensate for the different oil
> > or go back to his old oil type .Any suggetions on this one?

 
 
 

questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

Post by Walt Arrer » Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


> > I guess Castrol GTX (which is a synthetic/petro blend) is really a
> > bad product to use too...
> > Why don't you do some research and find out what your talking
> > about before blowin smoke up everybody's hinder!
> > Indy Paul


> > > Never mix petroleum based oil with synthetic oil.
> > > It can coagulate and not flow into the carbs . i.e. engine could seize.

> > > Formula Walt

> Gotta agree with Indy, I have mixed them many times with no problems. I
> have heard many say not to, but I think this is before the TCW-3
> classification. I believe the ability to mix with others is one of the
> standards that have to be met if the oil wants to meet TCW-3
> classification. Any "experts" out there want to comment.

No expert here, but Yamaha's 2000 accessories catalog says Yamalube is a
"semi-synthetic formula" and I've never heard of anybody having
"clogging problems with it!

Walt

 
 
 

questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

Post by Tim Ryelan » Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Go back to the old oil.  Synthetic is for really high performance, or
semi-high performance sleds with drivers who drive the ***out of them.
Synthetic in a 400 is only asking for fouled plugs.  You could play with the
oil injector, but in a sled that size, it won't matter much which type of
oil you use, and you could always run the risk of turning it too low, sides,
the synthetic costs a bundle more.
    Don't quote me on this one, my knowledge is mainly in Rotax, but with
the Polaris PWC's, they use an oil called TCW3, I don't know if they use
this on their sleds too, but I wouldn't recommend mixing this with
synthetic, you could run into problems doing that.
Jeff

Quote:
>My buddy ran out of his regular polaris oil and filled his indy 400 sled
>up with a synthetic 2 cycle ,it now smokes  alot more and is doggish ,I
>think he should turn his oil pump down to compensate for the different oil
>or go back to his old oil type .Any suggetions on this one?

 
 
 

questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

Post by ski.. » Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I ran Klotz synthetic in a Yamaha RD 350 air-cooled high-perf
cycle back in the late 70's.  I did a lot of work on this bike,
and ran it at very high compression and rpm.  I never had a
seizure, scuffing, or carbon deposits, NEVER.  Also, it smelled
nice.  ;-)  I've got two gallons of the stuff (brand-new) waiting
to go into the SX... It's a bit more than dino, but I sure don't
want to seize 150 miles from the car...

I haven't heard of any coagulation of this stuff (even back in
the 70's).  I think it's another one of those 'old wives tales'
that live on forever.  Say, did you hear the one about 'hot'
plugs making more power/engine run hotter, etc?  ;-)))))

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questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

Post by John » Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Go back to the old oil......NO WAY.... I just switched to synthetic in my
'85 Indy 600 this year and I will never use regular oil again. Less smoke
and the smell is way nicer.....First winter I ever went through without
fouling a plug... Riding buddy switched over in his I 500 also, seems he's
even getting better gas mileage..... Both of us are using Q State Itasca

John "Anything you say can & will be misquoted & used against you"
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Quote:

>Go back to the old oil.  Synthetic is for really high performance, or
>semi-high performance sleds with drivers who drive the ***out of them.
>Synthetic in a 400 is only asking for fouled plugs.  You could play with
the
>oil injector, but in a sled that size, it won't matter much which type of
>oil you use, and you could always run the risk of turning it too low,
sides,
>the synthetic costs a bundle more.
>    Don't quote me on this one, my knowledge is mainly in Rotax, but with
>the Polaris PWC's, they use an oil called TCW3, I don't know if they use
>this on their sleds too, but I wouldn't recommend mixing this with
>synthetic, you could run into problems doing that.
>Jeff


>>My buddy ran out of his regular polaris oil and filled his indy 400 sled
>>up with a synthetic 2 cycle ,it now smokes  alot more and is doggish ,I
>>think he should turn his oil pump down to compensate for the different oil
>>or go back to his old oil type .Any suggetions on this one?

 
 
 

questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

Post by SKI D » Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I'v NEVER heard of someone fouling more plugs by using a synthytic oil. Cleaner
burning is one of the great advantages of using the stuff! What's more, all
sled manufactures require the use of an oil with a TCW-3 rating. If your a big
Rotax fan you'll find that the use of a synthytic will cut down on carbon
build-up on the RAVE valves and cut the maintnance down by almost 50%. Same
goes for the other sleds out there with similar power valves ect.

Mark

 
 
 

questionon, on use of synthetic oil in oil injection sled

Post by MGrant06 » Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:00:00

You can mix syn and reg oils. DO NOT reduce the oil setting on your sled. I
have been using Amsoil in my 150 outboard and my 2 GT500s with no problems for
yrs.