Why modify motor??

Why modify motor??

Post by CooHe » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 06:25:12


Just doing a bit of Devil's Advocate here...
Why is so much attention and money spent on getting more HP out of a
600cc motor?  Why didn't you just buy a 700? or 800?  Most brands 600s
and 700s weigh the same and "only" cost a couple hundred dollars more.
 In fact, take this idea one step farther and ask..."Why try to get
more HP out of a sled when you can just hold it pegged for another
half secound or so?"  So many people look to replace the single pipe
with doubles and/or triples, clutch changes/kits ect.  If these
aftermarket parts were so great, don't you think the four OEMs would
included them on their standard sleds?  Some are spending a bunch of
dollars to make their sleds faster.  They could have/should have just
bought the next size bigger motor machine.  Or again, better yet, hold
it WOT longer.  You want to go faster, "floor" it and keep it floored
for an additional fraction of a second or a full second longer and you
will be going much faster.
I'm not asking this to be a pain in the ass or anything.  I don't mean
to offend anybody. I haven't modified my XC6SP.  But, it kinda makes
you think..it's just a question.  Doesn't it make sense to just peg it
a little longer which doesn't cost anything more.
Coo
 
 
 

Why modify motor??

Post by NY_SXR70 » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 06:35:43

Actually this is pretty easy to sum up. If my 600 beats your 800 then I did
a good job tuning and clutching. It's like a self ego thing. Also there are
bragging rights. The OEM people have to make a motor and chassis/clutching
for the masses. From low lands to high lands. Look at it this way. When you
buy a new computer do you leave it "stock"? No, you install different
software and possibly and Ethernet card or modem or sound card to your
liking. You might add RAM or DVD-RAM or burner who knows. The point is. You
can express your individuality in each device you modify. I look at it as a
fantastic engineering display. I personally have had my fun beating hot
Corvette's with a modified VW Jetta. That is like some guy on a 600 smoking
me on my 700. If he cooks me I say DAM!!! boy did a good job tuning and I
tip my cap. It's all meant in good fun for bragging rights. I hope this has
answered your question. Now go order some triple pipes.

Ride safe and have a great winter.

Doug

01' SXR700 (FAST!!!!)


Quote:
> Just doing a bit of Devil's Advocate here...
> Why is so much attention and money spent on getting more HP out of a
> 600cc motor?  Why didn't you just buy a 700? or 800?  Most brands 600s
> and 700s weigh the same and "only" cost a couple hundred dollars more.
>  In fact, take this idea one step farther and ask..."Why try to get
> more HP out of a sled when you can just hold it pegged for another
> half secound or so?"  So many people look to replace the single pipe
> with doubles and/or triples, clutch changes/kits ect.  If these
> aftermarket parts were so great, don't you think the four OEMs would
> included them on their standard sleds?  Some are spending a bunch of
> dollars to make their sleds faster.  They could have/should have just
> bought the next size bigger motor machine.  Or again, better yet, hold
> it WOT longer.  You want to go faster, "floor" it and keep it floored
> for an additional fraction of a second or a full second longer and you
> will be going much faster.
> I'm not asking this to be a pain in the ass or anything.  I don't mean
> to offend anybody. I haven't modified my XC6SP.  But, it kinda makes
> you think..it's just a question.  Doesn't it make sense to just peg it
> a little longer which doesn't cost anything more.
> Coo


 
 
 

Why modify motor??

Post by Herb Tarl » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 06:57:48

My reasoning?

boys with too much testosterone, too much money and too little
brain cells...

"bragging rights?"  gimme break, are you fif*** years old and still in
high school?

Rich



Quote:
>Actually this is pretty easy to sum up. If my 600 beats your 800 then I did
>a good job tuning and clutching. It's like a self ego thing. Also there are
>bragging rights. The OEM people have to make a motor and chassis/clutching
>for the masses. From low lands to high lands. Look at it this way. When you
>buy a new computer do you leave it "stock"? No, you install different
>software and possibly and Ethernet card or modem or sound card to your
>liking. You might add RAM or DVD-RAM or burner who knows. The point is. You
>can express your individuality in each device you modify. I look at it as a
>fantastic engineering display. I personally have had my fun beating hot
>Corvette's with a modified VW Jetta. That is like some guy on a 600 smoking
>me on my 700. If he cooks me I say DAM!!! boy did a good job tuning and I
>tip my cap. It's all meant in good fun for bragging rights. I hope this has
>answered your question. Now go order some triple pipes.

>Ride safe and have a great winter.

>Doug

>01' SXR700 (FAST!!!!)



>> Just doing a bit of Devil's Advocate here...
>> Why is so much attention and money spent on getting more HP out of a
>> 600cc motor?  Why didn't you just buy a 700? or 800?  Most brands 600s
>> and 700s weigh the same and "only" cost a couple hundred dollars more.
>>  In fact, take this idea one step farther and ask..."Why try to get
>> more HP out of a sled when you can just hold it pegged for another
>> half secound or so?"  So many people look to replace the single pipe
>> with doubles and/or triples, clutch changes/kits ect.  If these
>> aftermarket parts were so great, don't you think the four OEMs would
>> included them on their standard sleds?  Some are spending a bunch of
>> dollars to make their sleds faster.  They could have/should have just
>> bought the next size bigger motor machine.  Or again, better yet, hold
>> it WOT longer.  You want to go faster, "floor" it and keep it floored
>> for an additional fraction of a second or a full second longer and you
>> will be going much faster.
>> I'm not asking this to be a pain in the ass or anything.  I don't mean
>> to offend anybody. I haven't modified my XC6SP.  But, it kinda makes
>> you think..it's just a question.  Doesn't it make sense to just peg it
>> a little longer which doesn't cost anything more.
>> Coo


 
 
 

Why modify motor??

Post by Karl Shoemake » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:06:45

CooHead,

I think the short story is.......it's a hobby to see what we can modify,
break and fix and just have a good time. It's like guns and reloading;
I don't do it to save money-just like to do it. Drag's, you name it,
(sports).

And if you dont' wanna mess with it-the stock setup probably with work
just fine for you :)  I'm pretty much stock with mine, but I'm an old
fart.
Oh anothe thing-by reading the threads about this and that I have
learned
quite a lot (and the "not what to do's"!)

Karl
--
for info and email click on:
http://www.dalek.org/srg

 
 
 

Why modify motor??

Post by SRXfre » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:48:46

One point I don't hear being mentioned are the tradeoffs often associated with
modifications.  My buddy used to laugh and say, "Polaris spent millions in R+D
to figure out the best setup, why would I mess it up?"  Now he's got a point,
but there are often gains to be had, but with tradeoffs. Clutch kits typically
engage a little higher and harder than stock, with a quicker upshift.  All well
and good in a drag race, but not the ideal setup if you're pushing through 2
feet of powder and you need that backshift.  Pipes may give more top end, but
often sacrifice bottom end, and are harder to clutch.   That being said, it is
fun to beat a bigger sled with a smaller sled, but it doesn't mean that the
smaller sled was necessarily faster.  If the guy with the 800 spent the same
time on his as the guy with the 600 did, the 800 would wave bye bye.
'freak
 
 
 

Why modify motor??

Post by Bria » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:49:52

Quote:

> You want to go faster, "floor" it and keep it floored
>for an additional fraction of a second or a full second longer and you
>will be going much faster.

------------------------

Doesn't make sense.

A motor will ony create so much power, then it will hit a peak/plateau. If you
keep the throttle wide open for another second or two, you will not gain any
speed.. you will only go a few hundred feet farther than you would have if you
let go of the throttle earlier.

If sleds actually operated according to your theory...  then my kid's XC120
would eventually beat a XC800... if you let him keep the throttle open for a
few more seconds.

Brian  2001 XC600SP & 2001 XC120 for the kid
http://www.SnowEtc.com  *updated 11-03-01
  New Aftermarket Snowmobile Parts Source.
(snowmobile & sportbike 3-D wooden puzzles)
http://www.SnowmobileGarageSale.com
http://www.LearnEtc.com

 
 
 

Why modify motor??

Post by JW » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:14:12

not to mention that if you modify most of the manufactures equipment you
VOID your warranty.. UH OH .. hahahahhaha

JW


Quote:
> Just doing a bit of Devil's Advocate here...
> Why is so much attention and money spent on getting more HP out of a
> 600cc motor?  Why didn't you just buy a 700? or 800?  Most brands 600s
> and 700s weigh the same and "only" cost a couple hundred dollars more.
>  In fact, take this idea one step farther and ask..."Why try to get
> more HP out of a sled when you can just hold it pegged for another
> half secound or so?"  So many people look to replace the single pipe
> with doubles and/or triples, clutch changes/kits ect.  If these
> aftermarket parts were so great, don't you think the four OEMs would
> included them on their standard sleds?  Some are spending a bunch of
> dollars to make their sleds faster.  They could have/should have just
> bought the next size bigger motor machine.  Or again, better yet, hold
> it WOT longer.  You want to go faster, "floor" it and keep it floored
> for an additional fraction of a second or a full second longer and you
> will be going much faster.
> I'm not asking this to be a pain in the ass or anything.  I don't mean
> to offend anybody. I haven't modified my XC6SP.  But, it kinda makes
> you think..it's just a question.  Doesn't it make sense to just peg it
> a little longer which doesn't cost anything more.
> Coo

 
 
 

Why modify motor??

Post by Snowseeke » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:27:24

Because We Can!!!!!!!

Actually I do very few mods for more power as I would rather ride than
wrench!! Life is too short to fix things that are not broke!! NOW before I
got married time was not a luxury and I did that and been there!!

 
 
 

Why modify motor??

Post by Karl Shoemake » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:07:50

Been married does that......... :~!

Karl

Quote:

> Because We Can!!!!!!!

> Actually I do very few mods for more power as I would rather ride than
> wrench!! Life is too short to fix things that are not broke!! NOW before I
> got married time was not a luxury and I did that and been there!!

--
for info and email click on:
http://www.dalek.org/srg
 
 
 

Why modify motor??

Post by Dan » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:13:42

The clutching and jetting adjustments are just that..Adjustments. Polaris
even offers the weights, spings and jets to help you fine tune your sled for
your personal likes and conditions. They deliver a sled that is "Pretty
Good" for most conditions but not "Ideal" for any of them. Granted you could
mess around with all of the possible spring/weight/helix combos in a clutch
system and I'm sure there are many here that do, but for some its easier to
leave the experementing to those with dynos and buy the kit. I've yet to put
one on mine yet, I chose to spend the money on Ski's this year (Something I
wish Polaris WOULD improve on).
Luckly we have Mr. Rob Lyons to develop a jet kit for us Poo owners (Some
Assembly Req). ;^)
Where I do draw the line is anything that will make the sled louder, harder
to start, less dependable, or unable to run on pump gas.
I know for some, its a matter of spending some money a cpl years (or more)
after the sled purchase, dressing up the old girl while your buddies wheel
out their new iron. But I do agree, I have seen more than one person put a
new pipe on a new 600 and wondered if the 800 would not have been the better
choice.

My $.02

Dan
'01 600XCSP


Quote:
> Just doing a bit of Devil's Advocate here...
> Why is so much attention and money spent on getting more HP out of a
> 600cc motor?  Why didn't you just buy a 700? or 800?  Most brands 600s
> and 700s weigh the same and "only" cost a couple hundred dollars more.
>  In fact, take this idea one step farther and ask..."Why try to get
> more HP out of a sled when you can just hold it pegged for another
> half secound or so?"  So many people look to replace the single pipe
> with doubles and/or triples, clutch changes/kits ect.  If these
> aftermarket parts were so great, don't you think the four OEMs would
> included them on their standard sleds?  Some are spending a bunch of
> dollars to make their sleds faster.  They could have/should have just
> bought the next size bigger motor machine.  Or again, better yet, hold
> it WOT longer.  You want to go faster, "floor" it and keep it floored
> for an additional fraction of a second or a full second longer and you
> will be going much faster.
> I'm not asking this to be a pain in the ass or anything.  I don't mean
> to offend anybody. I haven't modified my XC6SP.  But, it kinda makes
> you think..it's just a question.  Doesn't it make sense to just peg it
> a little longer which doesn't cost anything more.
> Coo

 
 
 

Why modify motor??

Post by NY_SXR70 » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:17:22

I'm insulted by someone who has no fun in life :-( (as far as I can tell)

I'll put it this way.

YES I HAVE WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON MY HANDS. I work about 3 - 4 days a week

YES I HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY TO SPEND (because I am 35 and single except for a
G-friend) I work for only one reason to pay for toys. boats, jetskis, bikes,
cars, trucks, sleds you  name it. I have or have had them all. It's way too
much fun to make them all custom and go fast.

I am also a very good inventor and engineer. If it isn't broke I'll break
it, just to fix it and find out what it's max busting point is. I get into
arguments with my friends all the time about doing mods to our cars, trucks,
sleds, jetskis...... They say leave them stock they will last a long time
(they think a car with 200,000 miles on it is cool), I say***that I'll
sell it in 1 year or less. Who wants to drive around in a car/truck with
more than 60,000 miles on it? That's BS I say tear them apart when you get
it home from the show room. And often I do. I also pay the price for this
behavior. I spend a ton more money and personal time on upkeep of my toys
than anyone. I am very meticulous about looks and reliability. All my stuff
looks better than new and runs even better (yes I paint things like brake
rotors and clutch parts, under belly, frame.... it's out of control). Or I
get rid of it. As far as brain cells, don't go to war with me unarmed. Yes I
can take it when people flame me, I just thought I needed to respond to you
because I can't stand it when someone wants something to "last forever" and
leave them stock. Hell, even a Buick Grand National or Dodge Viper needs
some help or they will be just like all the rest.

I see someone posted something about VOIDING your warranty. Doing mods to
something will not always void your warranty. On a sled, pipes, clutching,
tracks, stuff like this will not void your warranty. These are tuning tools.
Pipes might be stretching it but if you are a good tuner and your dealer
knows it, your OK. Also if he installs them your OK. On a Truck like my 2000
Silverado 5.3 V8. I can put NOS or a blower on it without voiding the GM
warranty. I will only void the warranty if I mess with the timing. I know
that one because we dropped a mid range NOS kit in the 96' vette and dealer
still worked on it. So, mods will not always kill your chances at getting
the mfg. to fix something. More often than not, I pay to fix the problem
myself even if my vehicle is under warranty. This way I know what busted and
I can make it better. It's tough to get them to give you the free parts
however. But after working it out with most places they are cool about it.
You just have to make sure you get the busted parts back ASAP!

Herb, have fun this winter and ride safe.

flame jacket is on. please be kind

Doug


Quote:
> My reasoning?

> boys with too much testosterone, too much money and too little
> brain cells...

> "bragging rights?"  gimme break, are you fif*** years old and still in
> high school?

> Rich



> >Actually this is pretty easy to sum up. If my 600 beats your 800 then I
did
> >a good job tuning and clutching. It's like a self ego thing. Also there
are
> >bragging rights. The OEM people have to make a motor and
chassis/clutching
> >for the masses. From low lands to high lands. Look at it this way. When
you
> >buy a new computer do you leave it "stock"? No, you install different
> >software and possibly and Ethernet card or modem or sound card to your
> >liking. You might add RAM or DVD-RAM or burner who knows. The point is.
You
> >can express your individuality in each device you modify. I look at it as
a
> >fantastic engineering display. I personally have had my fun beating hot
> >Corvette's with a modified VW Jetta. That is like some guy on a 600
smoking
> >me on my 700. If he cooks me I say DAM!!! boy did a good job tuning and I
> >tip my cap. It's all meant in good fun for bragging rights. I hope this
has
> >answered your question. Now go order some triple pipes.

> >Ride safe and have a great winter.

> >Doug

> >01' SXR700 (FAST!!!!)



> >> Just doing a bit of Devil's Advocate here...
> >> Why is so much attention and money spent on getting more HP out of a
> >> 600cc motor?  Why didn't you just buy a 700? or 800?  Most brands 600s
> >> and 700s weigh the same and "only" cost a couple hundred dollars more.
> >>  In fact, take this idea one step farther and ask..."Why try to get
> >> more HP out of a sled when you can just hold it pegged for another
> >> half secound or so?"  So many people look to replace the single pipe
> >> with doubles and/or triples, clutch changes/kits ect.  If these
> >> aftermarket parts were so great, don't you think the four OEMs would
> >> included them on their standard sleds?  Some are spending a bunch of
> >> dollars to make their sleds faster.  They could have/should have just
> >> bought the next size bigger motor machine.  Or again, better yet, hold
> >> it WOT longer.  You want to go faster, "floor" it and keep it floored
> >> for an additional fraction of a second or a full second longer and you
> >> will be going much faster.
> >> I'm not asking this to be a pain in the ass or anything.  I don't mean
> >> to offend anybody. I haven't modified my XC6SP.  But, it kinda makes
> >> you think..it's just a question.  Doesn't it make sense to just peg it
> >> a little longer which doesn't cost anything more.
> >> Coo

 
 
 

Why modify motor??

Post by Josh » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:29:30

A man after my own heart!!  Nothing better than expressing your pride for your
machine than dressing it up!  Nice to hear a positive attitude like that!
Quote:

> I'm insulted by someone who has no fun in life :-( (as far as I can tell)

> I'll put it this way.

> YES I HAVE WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON MY HANDS. I work about 3 - 4 days a week

> YES I HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY TO SPEND (because I am 35 and single except for a
> G-friend) I work for only one reason to pay for toys. boats, jetskis, bikes,
> cars, trucks, sleds you  name it. I have or have had them all. It's way too
> much fun to make them all custom and go fast.

> I am also a very good inventor and engineer. If it isn't broke I'll break
> it, just to fix it and find out what it's max busting point is. I get into
> arguments with my friends all the time about doing mods to our cars, trucks,
> sleds, jetskis...... They say leave them stock they will last a long time
> (they think a car with 200,000 miles on it is cool), I say***that I'll
> sell it in 1 year or less. Who wants to drive around in a car/truck with
> more than 60,000 miles on it? That's BS I say tear them apart when you get
> it home from the show room. And often I do. I also pay the price for this
> behavior. I spend a ton more money and personal time on upkeep of my toys
> than anyone. I am very meticulous about looks and reliability. All my stuff
> looks better than new and runs even better (yes I paint things like brake
> rotors and clutch parts, under belly, frame.... it's out of control). Or I
> get rid of it. As far as brain cells, don't go to war with me unarmed. Yes I
> can take it when people flame me, I just thought I needed to respond to you
> because I can't stand it when someone wants something to "last forever" and
> leave them stock. Hell, even a Buick Grand National or Dodge Viper needs
> some help or they will be just like all the rest.

> I see someone posted something about VOIDING your warranty. Doing mods to
> something will not always void your warranty. On a sled, pipes, clutching,
> tracks, stuff like this will not void your warranty. These are tuning tools.
> Pipes might be stretching it but if you are a good tuner and your dealer
> knows it, your OK. Also if he installs them your OK. On a Truck like my 2000
> Silverado 5.3 V8. I can put NOS or a blower on it without voiding the GM
> warranty. I will only void the warranty if I mess with the timing. I know
> that one because we dropped a mid range NOS kit in the 96' vette and dealer
> still worked on it. So, mods will not always kill your chances at getting
> the mfg. to fix something. More often than not, I pay to fix the problem
> myself even if my vehicle is under warranty. This way I know what busted and
> I can make it better. It's tough to get them to give you the free parts
> however. But after working it out with most places they are cool about it.
> You just have to make sure you get the busted parts back ASAP!

> Herb, have fun this winter and ride safe.

> flame jacket is on. please be kind

> Doug



> > My reasoning?

> > boys with too much testosterone, too much money and too little
> > brain cells...

> > "bragging rights?"  gimme break, are you fif*** years old and still in
> > high school?

> > Rich



> > >Actually this is pretty easy to sum up. If my 600 beats your 800 then I
> did
> > >a good job tuning and clutching. It's like a self ego thing. Also there
> are
> > >bragging rights. The OEM people have to make a motor and
> chassis/clutching
> > >for the masses. From low lands to high lands. Look at it this way. When
> you
> > >buy a new computer do you leave it "stock"? No, you install different
> > >software and possibly and Ethernet card or modem or sound card to your
> > >liking. You might add RAM or DVD-RAM or burner who knows. The point is.
> You
> > >can express your individuality in each device you modify. I look at it as
> a
> > >fantastic engineering display. I personally have had my fun beating hot
> > >Corvette's with a modified VW Jetta. That is like some guy on a 600
> smoking
> > >me on my 700. If he cooks me I say DAM!!! boy did a good job tuning and I
> > >tip my cap. It's all meant in good fun for bragging rights. I hope this
> has
> > >answered your question. Now go order some triple pipes.

> > >Ride safe and have a great winter.

> > >Doug

> > >01' SXR700 (FAST!!!!)



> > >> Just doing a bit of Devil's Advocate here...
> > >> Why is so much attention and money spent on getting more HP out of a
> > >> 600cc motor?  Why didn't you just buy a 700? or 800?  Most brands 600s
> > >> and 700s weigh the same and "only" cost a couple hundred dollars more.
> > >>  In fact, take this idea one step farther and ask..."Why try to get
> > >> more HP out of a sled when you can just hold it pegged for another
> > >> half secound or so?"  So many people look to replace the single pipe
> > >> with doubles and/or triples, clutch changes/kits ect.  If these
> > >> aftermarket parts were so great, don't you think the four OEMs would
> > >> included them on their standard sleds?  Some are spending a bunch of
> > >> dollars to make their sleds faster.  They could have/should have just
> > >> bought the next size bigger motor machine.  Or again, better yet, hold
> > >> it WOT longer.  You want to go faster, "floor" it and keep it floored
> > >> for an additional fraction of a second or a full second longer and you
> > >> will be going much faster.
> > >> I'm not asking this to be a pain in the ass or anything.  I don't mean
> > >> to offend anybody. I haven't modified my XC6SP.  But, it kinda makes
> > >> you think..it's just a question.  Doesn't it make sense to just peg it
> > >> a little longer which doesn't cost anything more.
> > >> Coo

 
 
 

Why modify motor??

Post by Josh » Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:33:38

Also must take into consideration that most mods cost lots of $$ and that would
raise the cost of the machines and some people simply do not want to pay for
that, they just want to fire up there sled and go.  It's the "5-95" rule, things
are designed for the majority of the people, what you do with it when you buy it
is your business.

Josh

Quote:

> The clutching and jetting adjustments are just that..Adjustments. Polaris
> even offers the weights, spings and jets to help you fine tune your sled for
> your personal likes and conditions. They deliver a sled that is "Pretty
> Good" for most conditions but not "Ideal" for any of them. Granted you could
> mess around with all of the possible spring/weight/helix combos in a clutch
> system and I'm sure there are many here that do, but for some its easier to
> leave the experementing to those with dynos and buy the kit. I've yet to put
> one on mine yet, I chose to spend the money on Ski's this year (Something I
> wish Polaris WOULD improve on).
> Luckly we have Mr. Rob Lyons to develop a jet kit for us Poo owners (Some
> Assembly Req). ;^)
> Where I do draw the line is anything that will make the sled louder, harder
> to start, less dependable, or unable to run on pump gas.
> I know for some, its a matter of spending some money a cpl years (or more)
> after the sled purchase, dressing up the old girl while your buddies wheel
> out their new iron. But I do agree, I have seen more than one person put a
> new pipe on a new 600 and wondered if the 800 would not have been the better
> choice.

> My $.02

> Dan
> '01 600XCSP



> > Just doing a bit of Devil's Advocate here...
> > Why is so much attention and money spent on getting more HP out of a
> > 600cc motor?  Why didn't you just buy a 700? or 800?  Most brands 600s
> > and 700s weigh the same and "only" cost a couple hundred dollars more.
> >  In fact, take this idea one step farther and ask..."Why try to get
> > more HP out of a sled when you can just hold it pegged for another
> > half secound or so?"  So many people look to replace the single pipe
> > with doubles and/or triples, clutch changes/kits ect.  If these
> > aftermarket parts were so great, don't you think the four OEMs would
> > included them on their standard sleds?  Some are spending a bunch of
> > dollars to make their sleds faster.  They could have/should have just
> > bought the next size bigger motor machine.  Or again, better yet, hold
> > it WOT longer.  You want to go faster, "floor" it and keep it floored
> > for an additional fraction of a second or a full second longer and you
> > will be going much faster.
> > I'm not asking this to be a pain in the ass or anything.  I don't mean
> > to offend anybody. I haven't modified my XC6SP.  But, it kinda makes
> > you think..it's just a question.  Doesn't it make sense to just peg it
> > a little longer which doesn't cost anything more.
> > Coo