Used Sled Glut

Used Sled Glut

Post by Bryan D. Zieman » Mon, 13 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Just thought I would give you guys some more pathetic used sled prices.
This weekend I attended the sled auction in Hastings MN. You will note
the predictable trend as compared to the postings from the other
auctions I have attended this fall. Used sled prices continue to plummet
here in the upper midwest. The glut of sleds compared to demand, has
killed the muscle sled catagory. The 2 up touring category, although
bad, still is doing OK. On occasion, the right buyer was there for the
right sled and it sold high. About 75% of the 85 sled sold today were
Ski Doo's. About 20% were Polaris, and the remaining were a small mix of
cat & ha ha's. The reason for the high percentage of Doo's was due to
the fact that the dealers sponsoring it were both Doo dealers. The bulk
of the sleds sold in previous auctions this season have been Polaris.
This was again an open auction, and Joe Public was getting the deals-
killing the dealer shops and private parties trying to sell their sleds.
Here is todays sample:

'93 Kitty Cat $800
'97 Formula Z $4400
'94 Mach Z $2100
'97 Grand Touring 500 $4100
'95 RXL $2200
'97 Formula 500 $3800
'97 Formula SL $2900
'96 MXZ 583 $3300
'95 Mach Z $2450
'96 XCR 440 $3050
'92 EXT SP $2350
'95 Summit 583 $2600
'95 ZR 580 $2600
'92 Indy 500 EFI $1850
'95 XCR 440 $2600
*'96 Formula III $2800
'93 Storm $1950
'96 Mach Z $3200
'95 Mach Z $2250 & $2500
'96 MXZ 583 $3500
'96 Formula Z $2900
'95 STX $1800
'96 MXZ 583 $2750
'93 Formula Plus EFI *rare* $1300
'95 Summit 670 $2500
'95 RXL $2700
'97 Formula SL $2850
'96 Grand Touring 583 $4200
'97 Mach I $5200
'89 Mach I $900
'91 RXL SKS $1350
'90 Phazer $1100
'91 Phazer $1200
'81 TXL $400
'88 MXLT $1100
'97 MXZ 583 $4000
*'96 Ultra $2800
'95 Mach I $2900
'91 Wildcat MC $1250

'97 Floe 102" x 10' tilt $900
'97 Floe 102" x 10' ramp $1050

See ya!
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Post by AVara » Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:00:00

It's about time. Looks like the days are over for you guys who want to buy a
 new sled every year, drive it into the ground (with the speedo disconnected)
 then try to sell it for what you paid for it.

Brian Varani

 
 
 

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Post by Mark Wolvert » Tue, 14 Oct 1997 04:00:00

You must drive an Arctic Cat, because you sound green with envy.  FWIW, I
don't thrash my sled into the ground,  I don't unhook my speedo and I
don't expect to get what I paid for it either.  I also don't feel I need
to get out the vaseline when it's time to sell last years sled.  Alot of
guys, especially this time of year, panic or just can't wait when their
new sled is in, hence the depressed prices.  The sled market will get
stronger in November, level out in December, and start a long downward
trend in January.  My .06 worth...
Mark
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Post by SLED700 » Wed, 15 Oct 1997 04:00:00

just some info.  Today we sold a '94 polaris 440 super sport
in excellent shape  7,500 miles asked and got $2,200

be patient...everything sells ...you don't have to drop your shorts
yet!!!

 
 
 

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Post by MDMe » Wed, 15 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>You must drive an Arctic Cat, because you sound green with envy.  FWIW, I
>don't thrash my sled into the ground,  I don't unhook my speedo and I
>don't expect to get what I paid for it either.  I also don't feel I need
>to get out the vaseline when it's time to sell last years sled.  Alot of
>guys, especially this time of year, panic or just can't wait when their
>new sled is in, hence the depressed prices.  The sled market will get
>stronger in November, level out in December, and start a long downward
>trend in January.  My .06 worth...
>Mark

If there isn't a glut today, we aren't far from it.  There are more new sleds
 being sold every year, meaning that there are more and more late model used
 sleds available for sale.  We aren't recruiting enough new snowmobilers to buy
 all of these used machines.  Wait a year or two and see; the sled makers are
 going to take a huge hit in profits as people are forced to hold on to their
 current ride for more than a season or two......

Matt
Yamaha owner  

 
 
 

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Post by Ray Pezz » Wed, 15 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Matt Mead highlighted a big potential problem for our sport when he
said:

Quote:
> [major snip]
>  We aren't recruiting enough new snowmobilers to buy
>  all of these used machines.  
> Matt
> Yamaha owner

____________________________________________________________________

I fully agree, Matt. I see a lot more people getting OUT of snowmobiling
than getting into it. I would guess that the total number of registered
sleds here in Michigan has risen since 1990, but I'd bet a lot of that
is fueled by hard-core nuts like me who started out with one sled and
now own 2 or more. There may be more sleds, but I doubt there are more
sledders.

Furthermore, IMHO,the demographics of our sport have changed tremedously
since the golden days of the late 60's and early 70's. Back then, the
snowmobiling population was a mirror image of the larger community. Here
in the snowbelt, *everybody* rode. Dad, Mom, and the kids, normal
mainstream people accepted snowmobiling as a normal, mainstream
activity. As the song says, "Those were the days my friend..."

Nowadays, IMHO, snowmobiling is far more marginalized. It seems like a
large portion of the snowmobiling population is made up of the "mobile
marauder" sterotype. Here's the cliche: male, early 20's, greasy hair
and scraggly whiskers, belligerent, intoxicated, and coming at you on
your side of the trail around a blind curve at twice your speed.

Furthermore, I think there's a correlation between the presence of the
"mobile marauders" and the decline in the numbers of normal, mainstream
people participating in our sport. When I talk to people who have given
up sledding, they ALWAYS cite safety considerations, often providing
vivid details of some accident or close call. When I talk to people who
have never snowmobiled, they usually express those same fears as well as
a good bit of surprise that a normal, educated, middle-class, 40 year
old, Wall Street Journal subscriber like myself could participate in
such a horrible sport.

So how do we get Mr. and Mrs. Joe Average and their kids back in our
sport? How about vigorously enforcing the drunk driving laws and getting
the "mobile marauders" off the trails? I'm well aware that you'll never
completely eliminate drunk driving, but I'd gladly settle for a
significant reduction. Ride a while on Friday and Saturday nights, bail
out to avoid accidents a few hundred times, and ask yourself what
percentage of sledders out there are DUI. 10%? 20%? 30%?
More?? Get the kooks out and you'll get the families back in. Our sport
will grow, we'll all be a lot safer, and we'll all have a lot more fun.

Ray Pezzi
'98 Formula Z 670
'96 VMax 600 XT

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Domini » Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:00:00

I too must agree, with these opinions.  I think another major problem is no
only the fact that people are hearing of all the DUI's and accidents but also
the price of the Sleds these days.  

The only way we can improve our sport is to do it ourselves.  We have to get
the information out there on how fun it is, and what a great family activity it
 is.  By doing that we can maybe get these familys back onto the trails
overlooking the price and realizing how great of a family activity snowmobiling
is.  

On the flip side, we as snowmobile riders must take responsiblity and stop
doing those stupid things that give everyone out there a bad name.  If you are
out riding with your buddies, great, but if you go into the bar pick up a cup
of coffee and not a beer, if you insist on that beer fine, but just like
anything else use judgement,  if you think a friend is drinking too much tell
him,  go pull out his kill switch until you think he is ok to drive.  Protect
your self and your friends.  When this happens we will see the report DUI's
drop. Plus most of the drunk drivers drink and drive cars too, so we need to
stop this problem at home not just on the trails.

It is a shame our sport is getting such a bad name and like everything people
only tell the bad things and never the good things.

As snowmobilers we must start a positive promotion of our sled, get the
families back and those Drunks out!!!

Mike Dominick

97 MXZ 583


Quote:

>Matt Mead highlighted a big potential problem for our sport when he
>said:

>> [major snip]
>>  We aren't recruiting enough new snowmobilers to buy
>>  all of these used machines.  
>> Matt
>> Yamaha owner
>____________________________________________________________________

>I fully agree, Matt. I see a lot more people getting OUT of snowmobiling
>than getting into it. I would guess that the total number of registered
>sleds here in Michigan has risen since 1990, but I'd bet a lot of that
>is fueled by hard-core nuts like me who started out with one sled and
>now own 2 or more. There may be more sleds, but I doubt there are more
>sledders.

>Furthermore, IMHO,the demographics of our sport have changed tremedously
>since the golden days of the late 60's and early 70's. Back then, the
>snowmobiling population was a mirror image of the larger community. Here
>in the snowbelt, *everybody* rode. Dad, Mom, and the kids, normal
>mainstream people accepted snowmobiling as a normal, mainstream
>activity. As the song says, "Those were the days my friend..."

>Nowadays, IMHO, snowmobiling is far more marginalized. It seems like a
>large portion of the snowmobiling population is made up of the "mobile
>marauder" sterotype. Here's the cliche: male, early 20's, greasy hair
>and scraggly whiskers, belligerent, intoxicated, and coming at you on
>your side of the trail around a blind curve at twice your speed.

>Furthermore, I think there's a correlation between the presence of the
>"mobile marauders" and the decline in the numbers of normal, mainstream
>people participating in our sport. When I talk to people who have given
>up sledding, they ALWAYS cite safety considerations, often providing
>vivid details of some accident or close call. When I talk to people who
>have never snowmobiled, they usually express those same fears as well as
>a good bit of surprise that a normal, educated, middle-class, 40 year
>old, Wall Street Journal subscriber like myself could participate in
>such a horrible sport.

>So how do we get Mr. and Mrs. Joe Average and their kids back in our
>sport? How about vigorously enforcing the drunk driving laws and getting
>the "mobile marauders" off the trails? I'm well aware that you'll never
>completely eliminate drunk driving, but I'd gladly settle for a
>significant reduction. Ride a while on Friday and Saturday nights, bail
>out to avoid accidents a few hundred times, and ask yourself what
>percentage of sledders out there are DUI. 10%? 20%? 30%?
>More?? Get the kooks out and you'll get the families back in. Our sport
>will grow, we'll all be a lot safer, and we'll all have a lot more fun.

>Ray Pezzi
>'98 Formula Z 670
>'96 VMax 600 XT

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Struke » Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>____________________________________________________________________

>I fully agree, Matt. I see a lot more people getting OUT of snowmobiling
>than getting into it. I would guess that the total number of registered
>sleds here in Michigan has risen since 1990, but I'd bet a lot of that
>is fueled by hard-core nuts like me who started out with one sled and
>now own 2 or more. There may be more sleds, but I doubt there are more
>sledders.

I would have to disagree with you here Ray.   There ARE many more sledders.  
First, look at how crowded the trails are.  Considerably more people out there
now than say 5 years ago.

Quote:

>Furthermore, IMHO,the demographics of our sport have changed tremedously
>since the golden days of the late 60's and early 70's. Back then, the
>snowmobiling population was a mirror image of the larger community. Here
>in the snowbelt, *everybody* rode. Dad, Mom, and the kids, normal
>mainstream people accepted snowmobiling as a normal, mainstream
>activity. As the song says, "Those were the days my friend..."

>Nowadays, IMHO, snowmobiling is far more marginalized. It seems like a
>large portion of the snowmobiling population is made up of the "mobile
>marauder" sterotype. Here's the cliche: male, early 20's, greasy hair
>and scraggly whiskers, belligerent, intoxicated, and coming at you on
>your side of the trail around a blind curve at twice your speed.

Yes,  there are those who fit this category, but I am seeing more and more
families participating in the sport.   I have seen this trend with friends
of mine.   5-7 years ago,   just "the guys" would go out and ride.   The Wives
had no interest what so ever.   If you look at it now.   My wife has a sled and
rides near 2000 miles per year as do the wives of most of my friends.   Also,
since my father has retired,  he has been borrowing one of my sleds and riding
alot(now planning on buying one).   He even has my Mom interested now!

Quote:
>Furthermore, I think there's a correlation between the presence of the
>"mobile marauders" and the decline in the numbers of normal, mainstream
>people participating in our sport. When I talk to people who have given
>up sledding, they ALWAYS cite safety considerations, often providing
>vivid details of some accident or close call. When I talk to people who
>have never snowmobiled, they usually express those same fears as well as
>a good bit of surprise that a normal, educated, middle-class, 40 year
>old, Wall Street Journal subscriber like myself could participate in
>such a horrible sport.
>Ray Pezzi
>'98 Formula Z 670
>'96 VMax 600 XT

Actually,  most of the people that I talk to who do not snowmobile, usually do
not express these concerns.   usually they say "It's too cold!".  IMHO,  myself
and many I ride with have these fears.   Especially experiencing some of them
first hand,  like riders coming around corners on teh wrong side of the trail,
etc.

Mike Strukel
98 MXZ670
96 Formula SL - Wife's sled

 
 
 

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Post by DOOman6 » Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Thats kinda Funny.  :)

 
 
 

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Post by Mr.Z » Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> It's about time. Looks like the days are over for you guys who want to buy a
>  new sled every year, drive it into the ground (with the speedo disconnected)
>  then try to sell it for what you paid for it.

> Brian Varani

Well its a *** for the ones that took care of there sleds like me and
would like to update it by a couple years just to find out its only
worth less than half of what you paid for it.Needless to say i won,t be
buying a new sled this year and my eyes were sure looking at the new
mach z<pouting like crazy now>
 
 
 

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Post by Robert Pay » Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:00:00


: >
: > It's about time. Looks like the days are over for you guys who want to buy a
: >  new sled every year, drive it into the ground (with the speedo disconnected)
: >  then try to sell it for what you paid for it.
: >
: > Brian Varani
: Well its a *** for the ones that took care of there sleds like me and

I view this as opportunity.  I can't afford to buy the wife and kids new
sleds so having the used sled market depressed is good news.  Now I can
get them new used sled for less $$$.  When I can run out and get them a
sled a year or two old, they're thrilled.  
--
Bob    '98 RMK700
  I'm really not a Unix bigot.  There are a number of good operating systems
  out there.  It's just that Microsoft hasn't written one.