Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by nick lapla » Sat, 04 Apr 1998 04:00:00


 Has anybody got a chance to ride the new xc 500? A friend and I had
both planned to buy zl 500's next year as we have both been arctic cat
fans since we first started riding.I got impatient and decided to get
mine this year.Well he has changed his mind and just snowchecked the
XC.And now he's bragging about how fast and cool his new sled is going
to be.I told him he beat me on the lake but he'll never touch me on the
trails.Will the new polaris smoke the zl or not? And if yes does anybody
know a good way to bolt on some more low end.I want to make him wish he
had went with the zl instead because I swear By arctic cat and really
love My ZL.

 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by Jeff Bart » Sat, 04 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>  Has anybody got a chance to ride the new xc 500? A friend and I had
> both planned to buy zl 500's next year as we have both been arctic cat
> fans since we first started riding.I got impatient and decided to get
> mine this year.Well he has changed his mind and just snowchecked the
> XC.And now he's bragging about how fast and cool his new sled is going
> to be.I told him he beat me on the lake but he'll never touch me on the
> trails.Will the new polaris smoke the zl or not? And if yes does anybody
> know a good way to bolt on some more low end.I want to make him wish he
> had went with the zl instead because I swear By arctic cat and really
> love My ZL.

 I have not ridden either. I know of a few people who have seen/ridden both.
He will definatly not "smoke" you. Both sleds should be closely matched. You
should both have fun trying to better each other. Let us know how it really
turns out.

-jeff b.

 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by RSOU » Sun, 05 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>Will the new polaris smoke the zl or not?

NO - you have about 9 more horses than he. Both sleds have excellent low end.

 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by Greg » Sun, 05 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Don't expect the zr to "smoke" the xc on the trails. This sled has the same
chassis and handling as the xcr440 with more snot. The zr is basically an
unchanged , well zr. It's not in the same handling class as the sno pro. If
it was the nod would go to the zr. XC will however out muscle the zr. IMO
the xcr440 out handled the standard  ZR's by a fair margin. Your ZR will
have more inside ski lift than the xc5.

Greg

 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by bcnjw.. » Sun, 05 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>>Will the new polaris smoke the zl or not?

>NO - you have about 9 more horses than he. Both sleds have excellent low end.

Have you ran these two head to head?  Who's HP numbers?
If so tell us more,,,   The new xc 500 is one hot little machine.
I havent had a chance to run ours aganst the 500 cat yet, but
I think it'll be a hell of a run!
--
John & Brenda
97 700 RMK
99 500 XC SP
Sun City Calif (work), Mammoth Lakes Calif (play)
(Remove "-x-" in return address to reply)
 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by Bruc » Sun, 05 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Don't expect the zr to "smoke" the xc on the trails. This sled has the
same
> chassis and handling as the xcr440 with more snot. The zr is basically an
> unchanged , well zr. It's not in the same handling class as the sno pro.
If
> it was the nod would go to the zr. XC will however out muscle the zr. IMO
> the xcr440 out handled the standard  ZR's by a fair margin. Your ZR will
> have more inside ski lift than the xc5.

> Greg

The ZRs and ZR440 sno-pro also have the same chassis,and front and rear
susp..   Have you seen these two sleds go head to head to say that the XC
will out muscle the ZR.  First person I heard that said the XCR will out
handle a ZR.  I'm not saying the XCRs don't handle well but they don't out
handle a ZR by a fair margin.  I ride with 2 XC700s all year and they have
more inside ski lift than the ZRs.  You're giving this person a very biased
opinion to his question.  Like Jeff said, they will be very close sleds in
the handling and motor departments.

Bruce

 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by Michael Har » Sun, 05 Apr 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
> >Will the new polaris smoke the zl or not?

> NO - you have about 9 more horses than he. Both sleds have excellent low
end.

Where did you get that number?

Michael

 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by Carn » Sun, 05 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


>> Don't expect the zr to "smoke" the xc on the trails. This sled has the
>same
>> chassis and handling as the xcr440 with more snot. The zr is basically an
>> unchanged , well zr. It's not in the same handling class as the sno pro.
>If
>> it was the nod would go to the zr. XC will however out muscle the zr. IMO
>> the xcr440 out handled the standard  ZR's by a fair margin. Your ZR will
>> have more inside ski lift than the xc5.

>> Greg

>The ZRs and ZR440 sno-pro also have the same chassis,and front and rear
>susp..   Have you seen these two sleds go head to head to say that the XC
>will out muscle the ZR.  First person I heard that said the XCR will out
>handle a ZR.  I'm not saying the XCRs don't handle well but they don't out
>handle a ZR by a fair margin.  I ride with 2 XC700s all year and they have
>more inside ski lift than the ZRs.  You're giving this person a very biased
>opinion to his question.  Like Jeff said, they will be very close sleds in
>the handling and motor departments.

>Bruce

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 First off, I Highly doubt that the ZR 500 has 9 more Hp than the XC
500, but that aside, The main difference in the sleds in my opinion
will be the broadness of the powerband . As this years XC 600/ ZR 600
comparison for example;  Both acheive similar peak performance, but
the XC 600 motor is a much more relaxed engine for general trail
riding. ZR 600 is powerful but relies on constant high revs to acheive
its perf. while the XC 600 motor uses a lower reving broader torque
engine that privides similar perf, without being such a nervous/peaky
type engine.  I feel that the ZR 500 and XC 500 will follow this
scenario also.  
 On the ski lift thing, I have to laugh at the heat Ski-doo took over
it for a few years, and now they all (except maybe Yammies) have
varying degrees of it.  Although I never agresssively rode a Cat
before the latest ZR's came out, the current ones seem to me to have
every bit as lively a front end as the MXZ's and now the XC's too.
 I don't see it as a negative really unless it is unpredictable.
..... Both the ZR 500 and XC 500 are excellent sleds, pick the one
with the best dealer.  
                                            Kevin .......
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by Greg » Sun, 05 Apr 1998 04:00:00

The zr & the sno pro have the same basic chassis with the exception of
weight. The sno pro carries 24 less poundage. This is where the better
handling comes form. If you haven't ridden a sno pro it's a must do. The
xc6 &7 have a different motor placement than the xcr440 & 500. The motors
on the 440 & 5 are sunk about 1 inch lower than then it's big brothers.
This makes a huge handling difference. ie; flat cornering. I've been in
touch with a fellow who has raced the xc500sp in a late season 500 mile
race in Alaska. He walked on all 440's and 500's. The sled was box stock
without as much as a jet change. He reported that the 500 was 1 mph slower
than the sno pro. A well cared for sno pro will consistently out run a zr5
by 3-5 mph on top. And yes I did run a xc5sp in late January. Sneaky fast
is my impression. Rode the zr500 also. My money is going to the xc.

Greg

 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by William J Hendrickso » Sun, 05 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>  Has anybody got a chance to ride the new xc 500? A friend and I had
> both planned to buy zl 500's next year as we have both been arctic cat
> fans since we first started riding.I got impatient and decided to get
> mine this year.Well he has changed his mind and just snowchecked the
> XC.And now he's bragging about how fast and cool his new sled is going
> to be.I told him he beat me on the lake but he'll never touch me on the
> trails.Will the new polaris smoke the zl or not? And if yes does anybody
> know a good way to bolt on some more low end.I want to make him wish he
> had went with the zl instead because I swear By arctic cat and really
> love My ZL.

Are you related to Bob?
 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by X666 » Mon, 06 Apr 1998 05:00:00

Quote:

>Date: 4 Apr 1998 18:44:49 GMT

<<<stuff before and after deleted>>>

Quote:
> I've been in
>touch with a fellow who has raced the xc500sp in a late season 500 mile
>race in Alaska. He walked on all 440's and 500's. The sled was box stock
>without as much as a jet change.

  Ive got a problem believing the implication here.  Who is going to run a race
sled box stock in a 500 mile race?!?  Regather your facts and tell us the
name/place of the race, who your buddy is, what class he run, and what place he
came in!!  Untill you produce this info, a statement like that gets filed with
UFO sightings (and performance benefits).  No massive flame intention here,
just a reality check.

 X6667

 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by ACZL50 » Tue, 07 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Don't sweat it.

 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by Markus10 » Tue, 07 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Michael,

Even you can do the math.  See if you can follow me....Old Indy 500, ( did I
say OLD) is 75hp, ( some would like to think 80, sorry, no.), Polaris says 18%
increase, ( Hey, i'll use to WHOLE 18%), this gives 7.5hp increase.
75+13.5=88.5.  Cat says 95 for the 500, ( I'll use the whole 95) So....
95-88.5=7.5.  Guy below says 9 difference, for 2.5, I'll call it close enough.

Maybe fun to speculate who will beat who, but really is no more than worthless
dribble until we see next season, right?

Markus.

Quote:
>Subject: Re: Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

>Date: Sat, Apr 4, 1998 12:48 EST



>> >Will the new polaris smoke the zl or not?

>> NO - you have about 9 more horses than he. Both sleds have excellent low
>end.

>Where did you get that number?

>Michael

 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by Greg » Tue, 07 Apr 1998 04:00:00

Never have I seen a zr5 dyno at 95, never.   5 pulls with the zr5 and saw
91 max with a very hot pipe. An engineer in the know speaks of the xc5
having an output of 92 cold pipe hp. hmmmmm   going to be close.

Greg

 
 
 

Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

Post by Markus10 » Tue, 07 Apr 1998 04:00:00

"YOU" have never seen?, "Engineer in the know"?, ( are there some "NOT", in the
know?).  Sounds like stuff I can bank on, "FOR SURE".......Lets keep our
panties on and wait for them to meet (ZR,MXZ,XC), grass or snow.

Markus.

Quote:
>Subject: Re: Zl-500 Vs. XC 500

>Date: Sun, Apr 5, 1998 23:01 EDT

>Never have I seen a zr5 dyno at 95, never.   5 pulls with the zr5 and saw
>91 max with a very hot pipe. An engineer in the know speaks of the xc5
>having an output of 92 cold pipe hp. hmmmmm   going to be close.

>Greg