a-arms vs trialingarms ac vs polaris

a-arms vs trialingarms ac vs polaris

Post by WilliamJVar » Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:48:24


My brothers zr cross country sled is faster than my dads 600xc edge x 2001.zr
2002 also handeled way better. The a-arm front is night and day comparison to
each other. The rear suspension of the zr is just alittle better than the 600
edge.The 600 zr acording to the magazin is suposed to be slower. Wrong. The zr
beat out the edge by a sled in a half at about 500 ft. Top speed we dont know
yet. If i were buying a new sled and ride on the fine edge of wiping out all
the time I would buy a firecat F5 because of the weight. Lighter is better.
 
 
 

a-arms vs trialingarms ac vs polaris

Post by Dale Wal » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:02:30

Setup, Setup, Setup!!!

BTW, the F7 has a minimal weight difference from the F5 and has 140HP to
boot.

Dale


Quote:
> My brothers zr cross country sled is faster than my dads 600xc edge x
2001.zr
> 2002 also handeled way better. The a-arm front is night and day comparison
to
> each other. The rear suspension of the zr is just alittle better than the
600
> edge.The 600 zr acording to the magazin is suposed to be slower. Wrong.
The zr
> beat out the edge by a sled in a half at about 500 ft. Top speed we dont
know
> yet. If i were buying a new sled and ride on the fine edge of wiping out
all
> the time I would buy a firecat F5 because of the weight. Lighter is

better.

 
 
 

a-arms vs trialingarms ac vs polaris

Post by Roamer » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:40:00

Seems to me I've heard cat quote big imaginary HP #s in spring's past.
These didn't exactly bear out on the dyno the following winter. I'd
take this 140 hp 700 with a grain of salt based on Cat's past
"wishful" thinking.



Quote:
>Setup, Setup, Setup!!!

>BTW, the F7 has a minimal weight difference from the F5 and has 140HP to
>boot.

>Dale



>> My brothers zr cross country sled is faster than my dads 600xc edge x
>2001.zr
>> 2002 also handeled way better. The a-arm front is night and day comparison
>to
>> each other. The rear suspension of the zr is just alittle better than the
>600
>> edge.The 600 zr acording to the magazin is suposed to be slower. Wrong.
>The zr
>> beat out the edge by a sled in a half at about 500 ft. Top speed we dont
>know
>> yet. If i were buying a new sled and ride on the fine edge of wiping out
>all
>> the time I would buy a firecat F5 because of the weight. Lighter is
>better.


 
 
 

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Post by Jare » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:05:04

Yeah maybe 10 years ago. Don't want to get into a brand war but it seems to me
it was Yamaha who was the one over inflating hp #'s last winter. Viper, incase
you forgot. When cat came out with the new 800 engine it was right on.
 
 
 

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Post by xcpilo » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:17:27

Which sled do you remember having big imaginary #s?

Terry

Quote:

>Seems to me I've heard cat quote big imaginary HP #s in spring's past.
>These didn't exactly bear out on the dyno the following winter. I'd
>take this 140 hp 700 with a grain of salt based on Cat's past
>"wishful" thinking.



>>Setup, Setup, Setup!!!

>>BTW, the F7 has a minimal weight difference from the F5 and has 140HP to
>>boot.

>>Dale



>>> My brothers zr cross country sled is faster than my dads 600xc edge x
>>2001.zr
>>> 2002 also handeled way better. The a-arm front is night and day comparison
>>to
>>> each other. The rear suspension of the zr is just alittle better than the
>>600
>>> edge.The 600 zr acording to the magazin is suposed to be slower. Wrong.
>>The zr
>>> beat out the edge by a sled in a half at about 500 ft. Top speed we dont
>>know
>>> yet. If i were buying a new sled and ride on the fine edge of wiping out
>>all
>>> the time I would buy a firecat F5 because of the weight. Lighter is
>>better.

 
 
 

a-arms vs trialingarms ac vs polaris

Post by Roamer » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:26:19

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves Cat claimed 140
horses from their 800 the season before it's release. In reality a
good one put out an honest 132 - 135 with reasonable jetting. Suicide
jetting on an cold motor to get big dyno #s doesn't strike me as being
useful for anything but ad copy.



Quote:
>Which sled do you remember having big imaginary #s?

>Terry

>>Seems to me I've heard cat quote big imaginary HP #s in spring's past.
>>These didn't exactly bear out on the dyno the following winter. I'd
>>take this 140 hp 700 with a grain of salt based on Cat's past
>>"wishful" thinking.



>>>Setup, Setup, Setup!!!

>>>BTW, the F7 has a minimal weight difference from the F5 and has 140HP to
>>>boot.

>>>Dale



>>>> My brothers zr cross country sled is faster than my dads 600xc edge x
>>>2001.zr
>>>> 2002 also handeled way better. The a-arm front is night and day comparison
>>>to
>>>> each other. The rear suspension of the zr is just alittle better than the
>>>600
>>>> edge.The 600 zr acording to the magazin is suposed to be slower. Wrong.
>>>The zr
>>>> beat out the edge by a sled in a half at about 500 ft. Top speed we dont
>>>know
>>>> yet. If i were buying a new sled and ride on the fine edge of wiping out
>>>all
>>>> the time I would buy a firecat F5 because of the weight. Lighter is
>>>better.

 
 
 

a-arms vs trialingarms ac vs polaris

Post by Sasquatc » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:06:13

I thought the 01 800 came in at 138hp. The 02 800 efi came in at 141.6.
Quote:




Quote:
> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves Cat claimed 140
> horses from their 800 the season before it's release. In reality a
> good one put out an honest 132 - 135 with reasonable jetting. Suicide
> jetting on an cold motor to get big dyno #s doesn't strike me as being
> useful for anything but ad copy.



> >Which sled do you remember having big imaginary #s?

> >Terry

> >>Seems to me I've heard cat quote big imaginary HP #s in spring's past.
> >>These didn't exactly bear out on the dyno the following winter. I'd
> >>take this 140 hp 700 with a grain of salt based on Cat's past
> >>"wishful" thinking.



> >>>Setup, Setup, Setup!!!

> >>>BTW, the F7 has a minimal weight difference from the F5 and has 140HP
to
> >>>boot.

> >>>Dale



> >>>> My brothers zr cross country sled is faster than my dads 600xc edge x
> >>>2001.zr
> >>>> 2002 also handeled way better. The a-arm front is night and day
comparison
> >>>to
> >>>> each other. The rear suspension of the zr is just alittle better than
the
> >>>600
> >>>> edge.The 600 zr acording to the magazin is suposed to be slower.
Wrong.
> >>>The zr
> >>>> beat out the edge by a sled in a half at about 500 ft. Top speed we
dont
> >>>know
> >>>> yet. If i were buying a new sled and ride on the fine edge of wiping
out
> >>>all
> >>>> the time I would buy a firecat F5 because of the weight. Lighter is
> >>>better.

 
 
 

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Post by Darryl Walk » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:13:05

When?  Exactly what sled?  They said 140 for the 800 and it ended up
being 141 plus.  When was the last time the quoted something and it
wasn't right?



Quote:
>Seems to me I've heard cat quote big imaginary HP #s in spring's past.
>These didn't exactly bear out on the dyno the following winter. I'd
>take this 140 hp 700 with a grain of salt based on Cat's past
>"wishful" thinking.

 
 
 

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Post by Darryl Walk » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:15:34

Ok, you're wrong.  It was independently dyoned at 141 by American
Snowmobiler, I have the issue.  Not by Cat.  Also, the EFI is said to
be even more powerful.



Quote:
>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves Cat claimed 140
>horses from their 800 the season before it's release. In reality a
>good one put out an honest 132 - 135 with reasonable jetting. Suicide
>jetting on an cold motor to get big dyno #s doesn't strike me as being
>useful for anything but ad copy.

 
 
 

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Post by Roamer » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:44:32

I could be, it wouldn't be the first time :-) . Although I'd swear I
read those exact numbers somewhere. Dynotech perhaps? or maybe it was
here on RSS (not the most reliable source if it was...).

So the Cat 700 gets 140, the 800 gets 140 ish as well, and the 900 150
ish ? weird, and perhaps a bit fishy?


Quote:

>Ok, you're wrong.  It was independently dyoned at 141 by American
>Snowmobiler, I have the issue.  Not by Cat.  Also, the EFI is said to
>be even more powerful.



>>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if memory serves Cat claimed 140
>>horses from their 800 the season before it's release. In reality a
>>good one put out an honest 132 - 135 with reasonable jetting. Suicide
>>jetting on an cold motor to get big dyno #s doesn't strike me as being
>>useful for anything but ad copy.

 
 
 

a-arms vs trialingarms ac vs polaris

Post by CrnySKID » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:52:16

Quote:
>Subject: Re: a-arms vs trialingarms ac vs polaris

>Don't want to get into a brand war but it seems to me
>it was Yamaha who was the one over inflating hp #'s last winter. Viper,
>incase
>you forgot.

<<<<<<<<<<snipped>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 ..........I wondered how long it would take to become Yamaha's fault .

                         Kevin.........

 
 
 

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Post by Kurt » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:28:47

My 01 ZR was quoted at 110HP     But the best I saw was   (in the mags)
105HP.....But the lowest I seen the 800 was at(in the mags) 138...and 141
most of the time.......and thats why I like A Arms better........
 
 
 

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Post by Bud Flagst » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:47:56

Quote:
>Subject: Re: a-arms vs trialingarms ac vs polaris

>Date: 4/24/2002 7:52 PM Central Daylight Time

>>Subject: Re: a-arms vs trialingarms ac vs polaris

>>Don't want to get into a brand war but it seems to me
>>it was Yamaha who was the one over inflating hp #'s last winter. Viper,
>>incase
>>you forgot.

><<<<<<<<<<snipped>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> ..........I wondered how long it would take to become Yamaha's fault .

>                         Kevin.........

I fell out of my chair laughing!  LOL

Bud

BRC Member
2003 RX-1 "USS Tuna"

 
 
 

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Post by Sasquatc » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:44:07


Quote:
> I could be, it wouldn't be the first time :-) . Although I'd swear I
> read those exact numbers somewhere. Dynotech perhaps? or maybe it was
> here on RSS (not the most reliable source if it was...).

> So the Cat 700 gets 140, the 800 gets 140 ish as well, and the 900 150
> ish ? weird, and perhaps a bit fishy?

Explain fishy! As in trolling fishy or just your everyday Tuna fishy!
 
 
 

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Post by Sasquatc » Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:51:38


Quote:
> My 01 ZR was quoted at 110HP     But the best I saw was   (in the mags)
> 105HP.....But the lowest I seen the 800 was at(in the mags) 138...and 141
> most of the time.......and thats why I like A Arms better........

A arms are way better at making horsepower. Them trailing arms knock 10 hp
out of the motor easy. Look at the Yami SRX 135hp RX-1 145hp simple change
to A arms made a 10hp increase. Think how much they could gain if they went
to the ETT rear suspension another 10hp at least.