Indy bogging....the continuing saga

Indy bogging....the continuing saga

Post by Anonym87 » Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:00:00


HI folks,

Well, the Indy is still in the shop.    New shop, new mechanic. He said that it
was running on only 2 cylinders.  He installed new "needle & seats & plugs", to
the tune of around $150.  But, before I could take it home, he said that he
noticed 2 big cracks in the Drive Clutch.  He popped the cowl to show me two
good-size splits, as well as 1 hairline crack on the inside of the clutch wall.
 He said it's called the Drive Clutch (NOT the Driven Clutch...all i know is
that the cracks were on the part closest to the front bumper).  He said that i
could probably drive it okay, but it would eventually split more & cut the belt
& cause all kinds of nasties.  He quoted me $300 for a new Drive Clutch (not
incl. weights & springs).  So, I ordered the new Drive Clutch, which will be
installed tomorrow (Thurs).

Any comments? Am I getting ripped off?
-Kim

P.S.
Strange how my usual mechanic didn't notice the cracks.

No sled....vacation coming to a close.....only got 1 good ride in my three
weeks vacation.  Rain, rain, rain.....not much snow now.

 
 
 

Indy bogging....the continuing saga

Post by Carn » Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>HI folks,

>Well, the Indy is still in the shop.    New shop, new mechanic. He said that it
>was running on only 2 cylinders.  He installed new "needle & seats & plugs", to
>the tune of around $150.  But, before I could take it home, he said that he
>noticed 2 big cracks in the Drive Clutch.  He popped the cowl to show me two
>good-size splits, as well as 1 hairline crack on the inside of the clutch wall.
> He said it's called the Drive Clutch (NOT the Driven Clutch...all i know is
>that the cracks were on the part closest to the front bumper).  He said that i
>could probably drive it okay, but it would eventually split more & cut the belt
>& cause all kinds of nasties.  He quoted me $300 for a new Drive Clutch (not
>incl. weights & springs).  So, I ordered the new Drive Clutch, which will be
>installed tomorrow (Thurs).

>Any comments? Am I getting ripped off?
>-Kim

>P.S.
>Strange how my usual mechanic didn't notice the cracks.

>No sled....vacation coming to a close.....only got 1 good ride in my three
>weeks vacation.  Rain, rain, rain.....not much snow now.

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 Hi Kim;
             So the Saga continues !  If it weren't for bad luck,
you'd have none at all !!
  Seems kinda strange to me that the guy is replacing needles and
seats before he has found why the 3rd cylinder isn't firing. Has he
checked the coils, and done a compression check ?
  I'd tell him to leave the clutch alone until you find out the reason
and cost of the one cylinder not firing. If it turns out to be a holed
piston or something serious, you may want to just trade/dump it rather
than throw good money after bad.
 It certainly shouldn't be a problem for a dealer to find out the
reason for your one cylinder not firing. Once he sorts that out, then
if the cost is reasonable , do the clutch. If you end up fixing and
keeping it, I'd definately replace the Primary (Drive) clutch.
 Good Luck, keep us posted.
                                                Kevin ......
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 
 
 

Indy bogging....the continuing saga

Post by jon_kemn.. » Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

> HI folks,

> Well, the Indy is still in the shop.    New shop, new mechanic.

Good.

Quote:
> He said that it
> was running on only 2 cylinders.

Based on the symptoms you described I strongly suspect that was true.

Quote:
> He installed new "needle & seats & plugs", to
> the tune of around $150.

No idea if this is reasonable or unreasonable but I wouldn't balk if indeed
that was what was causing the flooding problem.

Quote:
> But, before I could take it home, he said that he
> noticed 2 big cracks in the Drive Clutch.
> He said that i could probably drive it okay, but it would eventually
> split more & cut the belt
> & cause all kinds of nasties.

No way, no how would I ride a sled that had cracks in the drive clutch.  And
I'm a cheap SOB.  The belt would be the least of my concerns.

I've never seen one (in my limited stable of sleds) but I've heard that cracks
do develop in clutches.  Maybe due to a casting defect but I've also heard
that snow/water spray on a hot clutch can cause one to crack.

Quote:
> He quoted me $300 for a new Drive Clutch (not
> incl. weights & springs).

Not sure if that's a good, bad, typical price or what but a new drive clutch
is required IMO.  As far as I know that's about what clutches cost.  Think of
it this way, your old clutch was probably due for a $100 plus labor rebuild
anyway.

Quote:
> Any comments? Am I getting ripped off?

I don't think so, as long as the needles/seats were really the problem in the
first place.

Quote:
> Strange how my usual mechanic didn't notice the cracks.

It's not something I would check unless I was looking at everything on a sled
like for example on a pre-season tune-up check.  Good catch on the part of the
mechanic.  He probably took a quick look at the whole sled instead of doing
the minimum he could get away with.

I was about to say "happy riding" but I guess you're in the same no-snow boat
I'm in.

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Post by John » Fri, 20 Feb 1998 04:00:00

At least the new mechanic is finding things ..... I've had the carb problems
that you have.... also have had the clutch sheaves crack...as far as price
it seems in the ballpark but I do my own work....J

HI folks,

Well, the Indy is still in the shop.    New shop, new mechanic. He said that
it
was running on only 2 cylinders.  He installed new "needle & seats & plugs",
to
the tune of around $150.  But, before I could take it home, he said that he
noticed 2 big cracks in the Drive Clutch.  He popped the cowl to show me two
good-size splits, as well as 1 hairline crack on the inside of the clutch
wall.
He said it's called the Drive Clutch (NOT the Driven Clutch...all i know is
that the cracks were on the part closest to the front bumper).  He said that
i
could probably drive it okay, but it would eventually split more & cut the
belt
& cause all kinds of nasties.  He quoted me $300 for a new Drive Clutch (not
incl. weights & springs).  So, I ordered the new Drive Clutch, which will be
installed tomorrow (Thurs).

Any comments? Am I getting ripped off?
-Kim

P.S.
Strange how my usual mechanic didn't notice the cracks.

No sled....vacation coming to a close.....only got 1 good ride in my three
weeks vacation.  Rain, rain, rain.....not much snow now.

 
 
 

Indy bogging....the continuing saga

Post by Doug Mill » Fri, 20 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>noticed 2 big cracks in the Drive Clutch.  He popped the cowl to show me two
>good-size splits, as well as 1 hairline crack on the inside of the clutch wall.

WOW!!!!!!!!!! Believe it or not, you just got lucky.
Keep riding it, and the clutch WILL explode, probably taking the crank
shaft, maybe the belly pan, and possibly the hood.
Say thank you sir, and pay the 300 bucks. For that money, he should be
installing it and aligning it.
Goofy stuff like split clutches can cause bogs.

Quote:
>P.S.
>Strange how my usual mechanic didn't notice the cracks.

Yes, strange. If you saw them, they are there.

Good luck!!!!
-Doug Miller

 
 
 

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Post by TBair434 » Fri, 20 Feb 1998 04:00:00

seems awfully suspicious to me. The "mechanic" could easily have stuck a bad
clutch on there himself. Sounds like your a good source of income. Can I look
at your sled too? Is it under warranty?  

 
 
 

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Post by at » Fri, 20 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> HI folks,

> Well, the Indy is still in the shop.    New shop, new mechanic. He said that it
> was running on only 2 cylinders.  He installed new "needle & seats & plugs", to
> the tune of around $150.  But, before I could take it home, he said that he
> noticed 2 big cracks in the Drive Clutch.  He popped the cowl to show me two
> good-size splits, as well as 1 hairline crack on the inside of the clutch wall.
>  He said it's called the Drive Clutch (NOT the Driven Clutch...all i know is
> that the cracks were on the part closest to the front bumper).  He said that i
> could probably drive it okay, but it would eventually split more & cut the belt
> & cause all kinds of nasties.  He quoted me $300 for a new Drive Clutch (not
> incl. weights & springs).  So, I ordered the new Drive Clutch, which will be
> installed tomorrow (Thurs).

> Any comments? Am I getting ripped off?
> -Kim

> P.S.
> Strange how my usual mechanic didn't notice the cracks.

> No sled....vacation coming to a close.....only got 1 good ride in my three
> weeks vacation.  Rain, rain, rain.....not much snow now.

DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT RUNNING THE ENGINE WITH A CRACKED CLUTCH!
Hoods, belly pans, belt guards, and LIVES are at stake here. You would
never notice cracks, unless you looked for them (something that every
rider should do regularly).

It is hard to tell if you are being ripped off. I heard about one
dealer, many years ago, that got caught putting bad parts (like split
clutches) on customer's sleds, and selling used ones (sometimes the
original clutch) to fix the problem. I think this is a rather unusual
situation, but I have always made sure I marked things like clutches,
cylinder heads etc. before I took the machine to any dealer (I have
never had a problem).

Needles, and seats, are not, usually, required, but he may have
installed a manufacturers suggested update (although the manufacturer
should pay for that, and your original dealer should have installed
it, within the update time limits). I can't comment on the price of
the clutch, but that is very likely your original problem.

Good luck... You need it.
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at ibm.net

******************************

 
 
 

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Post by EdC » Fri, 20 Feb 1998 04:00:00

What Indy is this? I don't want to get one of them , is there a lemon law
for sleds?

 
 
 

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Post by Anonym87 » Sat, 21 Feb 1998 04:00:00

<What Indy is this? I don't want to get one of them , is there a lemon law
for sleds?>

My old '90 Indy 650.  I can't believe the sled is 8 yrs. old. She looks great &
(usually) runs better than great.

-Kim

 
 
 

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Post by Lee » Sat, 21 Feb 1998 04:00:00

I just had another low end low end bogging problem on an 90 Indy 500.
It turned out to be the spark plug connectors were going bad.  Simple
and inexpencive fix.  I have an 85 indy 400 with 8000 + miles on it a 90
indy 500 with 8000+ miles on it and now a 94 XLT with 2800 miles on it.
All of them run great most of the time.

Quote:


> <What Indy is this? I don't want to get one of them , is there a lemon law
> for sleds?>

> My old '90 Indy 650.  I can't believe the sled is 8 yrs. old. She looks great &
> (usually) runs better than great.

> -Kim

 
 
 

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Post by John » Sun, 22 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Your "old 650" ! I'm riding an '85 600... Your riding a late model... before
the 600 I was riding a 78 TX 440 ( a real fun one with a mod. motor )......J

<What Indy is this? I don't want to get one of them , is there a lemon law
for sleds?>

My old '90 Indy 650.  I can't believe the sled is 8 yrs. old. She looks
great &
(usually) runs better than great.

-Kim