Snowmobile Ban?? WHAT Snowmobile Ban??

Snowmobile Ban?? WHAT Snowmobile Ban??

Post by Viki Egge » Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:00:00




Quote:
> This morning I was reading in the Congressional Record the recent
> debate over snowmobiles in the national parks including the part by
> Senator Reid that Vince quoted a few days ago in the thread titled,
> "Senator Defends NPS stand on Snowmobiles".

> The very next remarks in that debate were by Senator Daschle. They
> include the following which I find most interesting, because they
> seem to imply that the Interior Department and/or National Park
> Service have NOT implemented a blanket ban on the use of snowmobiles
> in the national parks.

> Any comments?

> Bob

> - - - - -

> Congressional Record
> July 17, 2000
> S7023

> DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS ACT,
> 2001--CONTINUED (Senate - July 17, 2000)

> Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, I wanted to take a few minutes to discuss
> the rulemaking that has been proposed by the National Park Service to
> limit the use of snowmobiles in national parks.

> <SNIP>

> Today, Secretary Bruce Babbitt wrote me to describe in greater detail
> how the National Park Service intends to proceed in coming months. I
> believe that it is critical for the agency to review a variety of
> options for managing snowmobiles and to ensure a full opportunity for
> public comment. According to the Secretary's letter, the agency does
> not intend to ban snowmobiles, but will proceed with a rulemaking and
> public comment period that will allow a full analysis of this issue
> and provide options for the controlled use of snowmobiles in national
> parks. I look forward to continuing to discuss this issue with my
> colleagues, the administration, representatives of environmental
> groups and snowmobiling enthusiasts.

> I ask unanimous consent that a letter from Secretary Babbitt be
> included in the Record at this time.

> There being no objection, the letter was ordered to be printed in the
> Record, as follows:

> The Secretary of the Interior,
> Washington, July 17, 2000.

> Hon. Thomas A. Daschle,
> U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.

> Dear Senator Daschle: I am responding to your recent request for
> clarification of the status of National Park Service actions on the
> use of snowmobiles in national parks. Since there have been some
> misperceptions about what the Service has done, I appreciate the
> opportunity to provide this clarification.

> In response to a petition for a rulemaking, the National Park Service
> has reviewed the snowmobile use that is now allowed in 42 of the 379
> units of the national park system. That review, including a review by
> the Office of the Solicitor of the Department, had led us to conclude
> that much of the snowmobile use that is now occurring is not
> consistent with the requirements of Executive Orders 11644 and 11898,
> issued by Presidents Nixon and Carter, and other legal requirements.
> Accordingly, in April the Department and the Service announced that
> we would undertake a new rulemaking to modify the existing
> system-wide general rule (36 CFR 2.18), and additional park-specific
> special rules, to bring them into compliance with the applicable
> legal requirements. We did not announce that any decision had been
> made, but instead that we intend to initiate a rulemaking process. In
> that process, we will comply with all established requirements for
> rulemaking, including the requirements for seeking and considering
> public comments. It is our current intent to publish by mid-September
> a proposed rule, for public comment, to begin the formal process of
> making these changes.

> Until a new rulemaking is completed, the existing rules on snowmobile
> use in the national parks remain in effect.

> We will seek public comment on a proposed rule generally following
> the format of the existing rule, which prohibits snowmobile use in
> national parks except in certain instances. The draft rule has not
> yet been completed, but, when finalized, it would not affect
> snowmobile use opportunities in national park system areas for the
> following purposes: For access to private, or other non-federal
> property; for access across national parks to reach private or other
> public lands that are open to snowmobiles use; where the roads
> through national parks are not under federal jurisdiction; and as
> authorized in specific national park enabling statutes (i.e., with
> respect to national parks in Alaska and Voyaguers National Park).

> In addition, as a result of settlement of litigation, the National
> Park Service is in the final stages of preparing a Winter Use
> Management Plan and EIS for Yellowstone and Grand Teton National
> Parks. The final decisions on winter use have not been made there,
> but those decisions will determine future winter use management in
> these two parks, including the use of snowmobiles.

> If we do propose a rule containing these elements, and if, following
> public comment, we finalize a rule along these lines, the net effect
> would be that some level of snowmobile use would continue in about 30
> of the 42 national parks where it is now allowed. Of course, since
> the proposed rule will be subject to public review and comment, we
> are likely to consider additional alternatives during this process
> and a different outcome could result.

> To summarize, the National Park Service has not made any final
> decisions on what changes to make in the snowmobile use that is
> allowed in national parks, and any decisions we make will be made
> following public comment and in compliance with other requirements
> for agency rulemaking. I appreciate the opportunity to clarify this.

> Sincerely,
> Bruce Babbitt.

> - - - - -

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> Before you buy.

 
 
 

Snowmobile Ban?? WHAT Snowmobile Ban??

Post by Viki Egge » Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:00:00


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Oh! Berger, you ARE an eagle eye!
I wonder that Vince and Tom and the muskrat missed this as they were
poring over the CR!
It appears to mean that the Department of the Interior will be
following the law as they consider transportation options within the
National Park System instead of making...what would drfred call
them...unilateral, one-size-fits-all policy decisions!

You have restored my faith in our system of government, Berger!
My thanks!
Viki




Quote:



>> This morning I was reading in the Congressional Record the recent
>> debate over snowmobiles in the national parks including the part by
>> Senator Reid that Vince quoted a few days ago in the thread titled,
>> "Senator Defends NPS stand on Snowmobiles".

>> The very next remarks in that debate were by Senator Daschle. They
>> include the following which I find most interesting, because they
>> seem to imply that the Interior Department and/or National Park
>> Service have NOT implemented a blanket ban on the use of snowmobiles
>> in the national parks.

>> Any comments?

>> Bob

>> - - - - -

>> Congressional Record
>> July 17, 2000
>> S7023

>> DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS ACT,
>> 2001--CONTINUED (Senate - July 17, 2000)

>> Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, I wanted to take a few minutes to discuss
>> the rulemaking that has been proposed by the National Park Service to
>> limit the use of snowmobiles in national parks.

>> <SNIP>

>> Today, Secretary Bruce Babbitt wrote me to describe in greater detail
>> how the National Park Service intends to proceed in coming months. I
>> believe that it is critical for the agency to review a variety of
>> options for managing snowmobiles and to ensure a full opportunity for
>> public comment. According to the Secretary's letter, the agency does
>> not intend to ban snowmobiles, but will proceed with a rulemaking and
>> public comment period that will allow a full analysis of this issue
>> and provide options for the controlled use of snowmobiles in national
>> parks. I look forward to continuing to discuss this issue with my
>> colleagues, the administration, representatives of environmental
>> groups and snowmobiling enthusiasts.

>> I ask unanimous consent that a letter from Secretary Babbitt be
>> included in the Record at this time.

>> There being no objection, the letter was ordered to be printed in the
>> Record, as follows:

>> The Secretary of the Interior,
>> Washington, July 17, 2000.

>> Hon. Thomas A. Daschle,
>> U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.

>> Dear Senator Daschle: I am responding to your recent request for
>> clarification of the status of National Park Service actions on the
>> use of snowmobiles in national parks. Since there have been some
>> misperceptions about what the Service has done, I appreciate the
>> opportunity to provide this clarification.

>> In response to a petition for a rulemaking, the National Park Service
>> has reviewed the snowmobile use that is now allowed in 42 of the 379
>> units of the national park system. That review, including a review by
>> the Office of the Solicitor of the Department, had led us to conclude
>> that much of the snowmobile use that is now occurring is not
>> consistent with the requirements of Executive Orders 11644 and 11898,
>> issued by Presidents Nixon and Carter, and other legal requirements.
>> Accordingly, in April the Department and the Service announced that
>> we would undertake a new rulemaking to modify the existing
>> system-wide general rule (36 CFR 2.18), and additional park-specific
>> special rules, to bring them into compliance with the applicable
>> legal requirements. We did not announce that any decision had been
>> made, but instead that we intend to initiate a rulemaking process. In
>> that process, we will comply with all established requirements for
>> rulemaking, including the requirements for seeking and considering
>> public comments. It is our current intent to publish by mid-September
>> a proposed rule, for public comment, to begin the formal process of
>> making these changes.

>> Until a new rulemaking is completed, the existing rules on snowmobile
>> use in the national parks remain in effect.

>> We will seek public comment on a proposed rule generally following
>> the format of the existing rule, which prohibits snowmobile use in
>> national parks except in certain instances. The draft rule has not
>> yet been completed, but, when finalized, it would not affect
>> snowmobile use opportunities in national park system areas for the
>> following purposes: For access to private, or other non-federal
>> property; for access across national parks to reach private or other
>> public lands that are open to snowmobiles use; where the roads
>> through national parks are not under federal jurisdiction; and as
>> authorized in specific national park enabling statutes (i.e., with
>> respect to national parks in Alaska and Voyaguers National Park).

>> In addition, as a result of settlement of litigation, the National
>> Park Service is in the final stages of preparing a Winter Use
>> Management Plan and EIS for Yellowstone and Grand Teton National
>> Parks. The final decisions on winter use have not been made there,
>> but those decisions will determine future winter use management in
>> these two parks, including the use of snowmobiles.

>> If we do propose a rule containing these elements, and if, following
>> public comment, we finalize a rule along these lines, the net effect
>> would be that some level of snowmobile use would continue in about 30
>> of the 42 national parks where it is now allowed. Of course, since
>> the proposed rule will be subject to public review and comment, we
>> are likely to consider additional alternatives during this process
>> and a different outcome could result.

>> To summarize, the National Park Service has not made any final
>> decisions on what changes to make in the snowmobile use that is
>> allowed in national parks, and any decisions we make will be made
>> following public comment and in compliance with other requirements
>> for agency rulemaking. I appreciate the opportunity to clarify this.

>> Sincerely,
>> Bruce Babbitt.

>> - - - - -

>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Before you buy.


 
 
 

Snowmobile Ban?? WHAT Snowmobile Ban??

Post by Scott Rub » Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> > This morning I was reading in the Congressional Record the recent
> > debate over snowmobiles in the national parks including the part by
> > Senator Reid that Vince quoted a few days ago in the thread titled,
> > "Senator Defends NPS stand on Snowmobiles".

<snip and go to part of NPS response letter>

Quote:
> > If we do propose a rule containing these elements, and if, following
> > public comment, we finalize a rule along these lines, the net effect
> > would be that some level of snowmobile use would continue in about 30
> > of the 42 national parks where it is now allowed. Of course, since
> > the proposed rule will be subject to public review and comment, we
> > are likely to consider additional alternatives during this process
> > and a different outcome could result.

It would be very interesting to see where these 30 of 42 parks are.  My bet
is that most of them are in Alaska, where the legislation the created them
specifically requires snowmobile access to be maintained.  There were 13 new
parks, preserve's or additions made in Alaska in 1980 where this is
affected, plus several that already exististed.  So if there were a total of
15 (I suspect it may be more like 20) and adjusting for those, maybe he
means that 15 of 27 park units in the lower 48 will still allow some
snowmachining.

Even thought they said they will "study" the issue, be warned.  They are
"studying" the issue in Alaska.  What they are really doing is studying how
they can ban snowmachining.  They have lost one lawsuit over it already, and
are still pursuing the closure, even thought there is specifice federal
legislation saying that it is to be allowed.

Scott

 
 
 

Snowmobile Ban?? WHAT Snowmobile Ban??

Post by Repairma » Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Looks like the Libs are getting nervous about the elections. Lets backpedal
and blow some smoke now so the ORV folks calm down by election time. There
must have been a bigger response (outcry) than what was originally projected
when the ban was announced. They are looking to regain the House so this is
just a little ploy to keep what seats they have now and possibly pick up a
few more seats since it looks like Algae***isn't gonna make it. Keep your
guard up, these guys are great at BS out of both sides of their mouths and
they have to go. Options are another word for political bovine excrement.
Scott's post is on target, everything is going to be studied, at least until
after elections, then it will be a mad dash to stick it to us by the end of
the year of things turn out right for us.....
--
John "Anything you say can & will be misquoted & used against you"
85 Indy 600
99 700XC
BRC member
 
 
 

Snowmobile Ban?? WHAT Snowmobile Ban??

Post by MDMe » Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>Looks like the Libs are getting nervous about the elections. Lets backpedal
>and blow some smoke now so the ORV folks calm down by election time. There
>must have been a bigger response (outcry) than what was originally projected
>when the ban was announced. They are looking to regain the House so this is
>just a little ploy to keep what seats they have now and possibly pick up a
>few more seats since it looks like Algae***isn't gonna make it. Keep your
>guard up, these guys are great at BS out of both sides of their mouths and
>they have to go.

John,

I think you have nailed this one directly!!

Matt
Doo owner
Manta owner

 
 
 

Snowmobile Ban?? WHAT Snowmobile Ban??

Post by Doug Ritt » Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>There
>must have been a bigger response (outcry) than what was originally projected
>when the ban was announced.

Bingo.

There is a small but very vocal minority in favor of banning ORVs.  Look
at the results from the Envinronmental News Network's poll, 94% *against*
a ban.  On *ENN* of all places.  When even they can't get a favorable result,
it becomes pretty obvious what the public sentiment is.

But don't get complacent just yet.

--
Doug Ritter              "There's a little Homer Simpson in all of us."

 
 
 

Snowmobile Ban?? WHAT Snowmobile Ban??

Post by Viki Egge » Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:00:00

This little bit of damage control by Babbit is fun, but lets not EVEN
think it means much. We're told that the DOI will (reluctantly) follow
the rules and seek public input, but the outcome will be the same
ultimately.

They intend to ban snowmobiles. Make no mistake about it.

It does, however, give us the opportunity to prepare to knock their
socks off with comment, and some time to 'groom' our congressionals.
(And candidates...don't forget the newbies you're about to elect!)

Anyway...enjoy the fact that the pressure we've brought to bear by way
of congressional hearings and through shining the light of truth on
these back-room shenanigans has forced them to take a few steps
backward.
Now, lets use this gained-ground wisely.

Viki


Quote:



>> This morning I was reading in the Congressional Record the recent
>> debate over snowmobiles in the national parks including the part by
>> Senator Reid that Vince quoted a few days ago in the thread titled,
>> "Senator Defends NPS stand on Snowmobiles".

>> The very next remarks in that debate were by Senator Daschle. They
>> include the following which I find most interesting, because they
>> seem to imply that the Interior Department and/or National Park
>> Service have NOT implemented a blanket ban on the use of snowmobiles
>> in the national parks.

>> Any comments?

>> Bob

>> - - - - -

>> Congressional Record
>> July 17, 2000
>> S7023

>> DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS ACT,
>> 2001--CONTINUED (Senate - July 17, 2000)

>> Mr. DASCHLE. Mr. President, I wanted to take a few minutes to discuss
>> the rulemaking that has been proposed by the National Park Service to
>> limit the use of snowmobiles in national parks.

>> <SNIP>

>> Today, Secretary Bruce Babbitt wrote me to describe in greater detail
>> how the National Park Service intends to proceed in coming months. I
>> believe that it is critical for the agency to review a variety of
>> options for managing snowmobiles and to ensure a full opportunity for
>> public comment. According to the Secretary's letter, the agency does
>> not intend to ban snowmobiles, but will proceed with a rulemaking and
>> public comment period that will allow a full analysis of this issue
>> and provide options for the controlled use of snowmobiles in national
>> parks. I look forward to continuing to discuss this issue with my
>> colleagues, the administration, representatives of environmental
>> groups and snowmobiling enthusiasts.

>> I ask unanimous consent that a letter from Secretary Babbitt be
>> included in the Record at this time.

>> There being no objection, the letter was ordered to be printed in the
>> Record, as follows:

>> The Secretary of the Interior,
>> Washington, July 17, 2000.

>> Hon. Thomas A. Daschle,
>> U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.

>> Dear Senator Daschle: I am responding to your recent request for
>> clarification of the status of National Park Service actions on the
>> use of snowmobiles in national parks. Since there have been some
>> misperceptions about what the Service has done, I appreciate the
>> opportunity to provide this clarification.

>> In response to a petition for a rulemaking, the National Park Service
>> has reviewed the snowmobile use that is now allowed in 42 of the 379
>> units of the national park system. That review, including a review by
>> the Office of the Solicitor of the Department, had led us to conclude
>> that much of the snowmobile use that is now occurring is not
>> consistent with the requirements of Executive Orders 11644 and 11898,
>> issued by Presidents Nixon and Carter, and other legal requirements.
>> Accordingly, in April the Department and the Service announced that
>> we would undertake a new rulemaking to modify the existing
>> system-wide general rule (36 CFR 2.18), and additional park-specific
>> special rules, to bring them into compliance with the applicable
>> legal requirements. We did not announce that any decision had been
>> made, but instead that we intend to initiate a rulemaking process. In
>> that process, we will comply with all established requirements for
>> rulemaking, including the requirements for seeking and considering
>> public comments. It is our current intent to publish by mid-September
>> a proposed rule, for public comment, to begin the formal process of
>> making these changes.

>> Until a new rulemaking is completed, the existing rules on snowmobile
>> use in the national parks remain in effect.

>> We will seek public comment on a proposed rule generally following
>> the format of the existing rule, which prohibits snowmobile use in
>> national parks except in certain instances. The draft rule has not
>> yet been completed, but, when finalized, it would not affect
>> snowmobile use opportunities in national park system areas for the
>> following purposes: For access to private, or other non-federal
>> property; for access across national parks to reach private or other
>> public lands that are open to snowmobiles use; where the roads
>> through national parks are not under federal jurisdiction; and as
>> authorized in specific national park enabling statutes (i.e., with
>> respect to national parks in Alaska and Voyaguers National Park).

>> In addition, as a result of settlement of litigation, the National
>> Park Service is in the final stages of preparing a Winter Use
>> Management Plan and EIS for Yellowstone and Grand Teton National
>> Parks. The final decisions on winter use have not been made there,
>> but those decisions will determine future winter use management in
>> these two parks, including the use of snowmobiles.

>> If we do propose a rule containing these elements, and if, following
>> public comment, we finalize a rule along these lines, the net effect
>> would be that some level of snowmobile use would continue in about 30
>> of the 42 national parks where it is now allowed. Of course, since
>> the proposed rule will be subject to public review and comment, we
>> are likely to consider additional alternatives during this process
>> and a different outcome could result.

>> To summarize, the National Park Service has not made any final
>> decisions on what changes to make in the snowmobile use that is
>> allowed in national parks, and any decisions we make will be made
>> following public comment and in compliance with other requirements
>> for agency rulemaking. I appreciate the opportunity to clarify this.

>> Sincerely,
>> Bruce Babbitt.

>> - - - - -

>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Before you buy.