Help with Dead Sled Please!

Help with Dead Sled Please!

Post by Charles Stoye » Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:47:02


My wife's 1996 Arctic Cat Panther liquid cooled 2-up 440 cc machine
sometimes would not start. Test showed no spark. This seemed to happen when
warm and go away after cooling down. Two days ago, it refused to start again
when warm, then never started again even after cooling down and now it seems
permanentl (however, now that it's at home where I can work on it, it will
probably start tomorrow).

What should I look for. Does this thing have points? I hate intermittent
problems but maybe this one is now permanent.

Thanks, Charles.

 
 
 

Help with Dead Sled Please!

Post by spark » Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:10:16

Classic symptoms of coil with a crack in the insulation.

--
Sparks.


Quote:
> My wife's 1996 Arctic Cat Panther liquid cooled 2-up 440 cc machine
> sometimes would not start. Test showed no spark. This seemed to happen
when
> warm and go away after cooling down. Two days ago, it refused to start
again
> when warm, then never started again even after cooling down and now it
seems
> permanentl (however, now that it's at home where I can work on it, it will
> probably start tomorrow).

> What should I look for. Does this thing have points? I hate intermittent
> problems but maybe this one is now permanent.

> Thanks, Charles.


 
 
 

Help with Dead Sled Please!

Post by Dan » Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:07:35

We just went thru this about a week ago. I wish I remembered the title of the
post, I would look it up for you. Anyway, Cats are somewhat famous for this.
More times than not the problem is in the kill switch system. This includes the
key switch, kill button by throttle lever, also there is a switch hooked in
with the throttle lever pivot point. If you have  a tether switch, that could
be a part of it. Even one more area of concern is if the carbs have a magnetic
switch on them.

  No, these sleds don't have points.

  Start by pulling apart the connector under the *** boot on the steering
coulumn. It is located just above the gas tank area and below the handle bars.
Cat used to give you a jumper that you plugged into the harness. When you pull
apart this connector it eliminates all the handle bar swithches. If you don't
have the Cat jumper, you can use any piece of wire or a paperclip etc. Simply
jump the two terminals together. Make sure you put the jumper in the harness
that runs toward the engine. Now, see if you have spark.
  I'm not sure if jumping this also takes care of the carb magnet switches or
not. You can disconect them also, they  have pull apart connectors on them,
then jump the wires together, check for spark.
 Someone also said to pull the main harness apart where it comes out of the
engine next to the pull starter. You are supposed to jump a couple wires there
but I don't remember the colors. Perhaps someone else can tell us.

What we are trying to do is see if the sled has spark but a switch somewhere is
defective. If you do all this and still don't have spark it could be a CDI unit
or your stator plate.

My guess from here... is there is a defective switch somewhere. Start by
getting it to spark, then we can discuss how to determine which switch it is.
Cheers
Dan

Quote:
> My wife's 1996 Arctic Cat Panther liquid cooled 2-up 440 cc machine
> sometimes would not start. Test showed no spark. This seemed to happen when
> warm and go away after cooling down. Two days ago, it refused to start again
> when warm, then never started again even after cooling down and now it seems
> permanentl (however, now that it's at home where I can work on it, it will
> probably start tomorrow).

> What should I look for. Does this thing have points? I hate intermittent
> problems but maybe this one is now permanent.

> Thanks, Charles.


 
 
 

Help with Dead Sled Please!

Post by fred » Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:50:46

I have had the same symptoms but with older ski-doo's and my guess is the
CDI box.

Quote:
> My wife's 1996 Arctic Cat Panther liquid cooled 2-up 440 cc machine
> sometimes would not start. Test showed no spark. This seemed to happen
when
> warm and go away after cooling down. Two days ago, it refused to start
again
> when warm, then never started again even after cooling down and now it
seems
> permanentl (however, now that it's at home where I can work on it, it will
> probably start tomorrow).

> What should I look for. Does this thing have points? I hate intermittent
> problems but maybe this one is now permanent.

> Thanks, Charles.

 
 
 

Help with Dead Sled Please!

Post by Charles Stoye » Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:22:01

Thanks for the additional advice. I am starting to understand these things.
Ignition is turned off if you hit the kill switch or if you close the
throttle and one or both of the carbs don't shut down. It seems the switches
(carb magnet switches, kill switch, throttle switch, etc.) are all working.
No ignition switch which leads me to believe this was a rental. Coil
resistances seem right,  as do the charge coil and trigger coil resistances.

My 1995 Cougar has spark coil and CDI unit that look different from the
Panther, so I'm leery of interchanging components to identify the bad unit.
No sense in having two broken sleds. It's the manual from the Cougar I am
using to debug the Panther.

I now know there are two places you can put the jumper, and neither solve
the problem.

I'll call around tomorrow and see what it costs to have it looked at and
what kind of estimate it would be to fix it. And to find out if they can
test the CDI or coil if I bring them in. Then I decide to buy some new parts
and replace myself or take it in...

Charles.

Quote:

> We just went thru this about a week ago. I wish I remembered the title of
the
> post, I would look it up for you. Anyway, Cats are somewhat famous for
this.
> More times than not the problem is in the kill switch system. This
includes the
> key switch, kill button by throttle lever, also there is a switch hooked
in
> with the throttle lever pivot point. If you have  a tether switch, that
could
> be a part of it. Even one more area of concern is if the carbs have a
magnetic
> switch on them.

>   No, these sleds don't have points.

>   Start by pulling apart the connector under the *** boot on the
steering
> coulumn. It is located just above the gas tank area and below the handle
bars.
> Cat used to give you a jumper that you plugged into the harness. When you
pull
> apart this connector it eliminates all the handle bar swithches. If you
don't
> have the Cat jumper, you can use any piece of wire or a paperclip etc.
Simply
> jump the two terminals together. Make sure you put the jumper in the
harness
> that runs toward the engine. Now, see if you have spark.
>   I'm not sure if jumping this also takes care of the carb magnet switches
or
> not. You can disconect them also, they  have pull apart connectors on
them,
> then jump the wires together, check for spark.
>  Someone also said to pull the main harness apart where it comes out of
the
> engine next to the pull starter. You are supposed to jump a couple wires
there
> but I don't remember the colors. Perhaps someone else can tell us.

> What we are trying to do is see if the sled has spark but a switch
somewhere is
> defective. If you do all this and still don't have spark it could be a CDI
unit
> or your stator plate.

> My guess from here... is there is a defective switch somewhere. Start by
> getting it to spark, then we can discuss how to determine which switch it

is.