Brian's AIDS quote (II)

Brian's AIDS quote (II)

Post by Fred Go » Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Loretta writes that it is unfair to "skewer" Brian for remarks that may have
been misquoted or taken out of context.

She adds that he never reads anything written about him --which does raise a
certain question bout how the provenance of "misquotes" is ascertained.

In this case, the quote attributed to him was so attrociously inappropriate,
that, if he didn't say it, he should be contacting Mr. Hirsch to demand a
retraction/clarification and getting on the phone to ASW and IFS to explain
what he actually thinks.
Fred Goss, publisher
Fred Goss' WHAT'S WORKING

301-816-8950 ext. 266

 
 
 

Brian's AIDS quote (II)

Post by Trudi Marrapo » Wed, 28 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

> Loretta writes that it is unfair to "skewer" Brian for remarks that may have
> been misquoted or taken out of context.

> She adds that he never reads anything written about him --which does raise a
> certain question bout how the provenance of "misquotes" is ascertained.

> In this case, the quote attributed to him was so attrociously inappropriate,
> that, if he didn't say it, he should be contacting Mr. Hirsch to demand a
> retraction/clarification and getting on the phone to ASW and IFS to explain
> what he actually thinks.
> Fred Goss, publisher
> Fred Goss' WHAT'S WORKING

> 301-816-8950 ext. 266

But it wasn't Phil Hersh who wrote it--it was a Detroit reporter (not
Michelle Kauffman but someone who doesn't ordinarily cover skating). I
also don't know what ASW and IFS have to do with it.

Trudi


 
 
 

Brian's AIDS quote (II)

Post by Lorrie K » Fri, 30 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:



>> Loretta writes that it is unfair to "skewer" Brian for remarks that may have
>> been misquoted or taken out of context.

>> She adds that he never reads anything written about him --which does raise a
>> certain question bout how the provenance of "misquotes" is ascertained.

>> In this case, the quote attributed to him was so attrociously inappropriate,
>> that, if he didn't say it, he should be contacting Mr. Hirsch to demand a
>> retraction/clarification and getting on the phone to ASW and IFS to explain
>> what he actually thinks.
>> Fred Goss, publisher
>> Fred Goss' WHAT'S WORKING

>> 301-816-8950 ext. 266

>But it wasn't Phil Hersh who wrote it--it was a Detroit reporter (not
>Michelle Kauffman but someone who doesn't ordinarily cover skating). I
>also don't know what ASW and IFS have to do with it.

        International Figure Skating put two sentences from the article on
their "Quotables" page, without comment.  That's where I first read about
this whole thing.  I assume, since IFS has given coverage to skaters with
HIV and also to the Gay Games, that they find Boitano's quotes to be less
than authoritative.
        Statistics 101, taught by Prof. Boitano:  In the Detroit article,
when Boitano claims that 95.8% of elite male skaters are straight (479 out
of 500? unless he's counting ***s as not whole people), but that
perhaps there are more gay men among "lesser" skaters -- that got my
boyfriend thinking, how many elite male skaters are there?  At what cutoff
point would Brian Boitano consider you to be a lesser male skater?  (In
case you can't tell, I'm just being silly, okay?)
        (Petulance alert) Anyone who thinks figure skaters aren't
interested in the ***ity of skating celebrities hasn't spent any time
around figure skaters.  Besides, on those long lonely tours, how else is a
skater to identify future ex-lovers?  (I'm joking, okay?)

                                        Lorrie Kim


 
 
 

Brian's AIDS quote (II)

Post by Trudi Marrapo » Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:00:00

[lots of other stuff snipped]

Quote:
>Statistics 101, taught by Prof. Boitano:  In the Detroit article,
> when Boitano claims that 95.8% of elite male skaters are straight (479 out
> of 500? unless he's counting ***s as not whole people), but that
> perhaps there are more gay men among "lesser" skaters -- that got my
> boyfriend thinking, how many elite male skaters are there?  At what cutoff
> point would Brian Boitano consider you to be a lesser male skater?  (In
> case you can't tell, I'm just being silly, okay?)

I don't know if it's so silly. That was another thing that bugged me about
this quote--he implied that if there *were* any skaters with HIV/AIDS,
they were "lesser" skaters. Not only does that leave open the question of
what makes one a  "lesser" skater in the eyes of Brian Boitano, it opens
up a can of worms in the interpretation. Does it mean:

--"I don't associate with lesser skaters, so if any of them have it, I
don't know about it, so it's a non-issue"?

--"If skaters have HIV/AIDS, it is *because* they are lesser skaters, so
it's their fault, because elite skaters know better than to get it, so
it's a non-issue for me as an elite skater"?

--"I don't know any elite skaters with HIV/AIDS, so if any skaters out
there do have it, well, they're only lesser talents anyway, so their lives
are perfectly expendable, so it's a non-issue"?

None of those interpretations is particularly attractive...and try as I
might, I can't find any way to believe that what he meant is simnply, "If
any skaters do or have had have HIV/AIDS, I'm not aware of it because I
haven't met anyone through my projects that does, so if there really is a
problem in the skating world beyond my little sphere and I don't know it,
something should be done about it."

Especially considering that he did know Rob McCall and it's too late for
him to deny it.

Trudi

 
 
 

Brian's AIDS quote (II)

Post by Barb Iverso » Sat, 31 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Lorri Kim mentions and
Trudi Marrapodi responds:

Quote:
> >Statistics 101, taught by Prof. Boitano:  In the Detroit article,
> > when Boitano claims that 95.8% of elite male skaters are straight (479 out
> > of 500? unless he's counting ***s as not whole people), but that
> > perhaps there are more gay men among "lesser" skaters --
> I don't know if it's so silly. That was another thing that bugged me about
> this quote--he implied that if there *were* any skaters with HIV/AIDS,
> they were "lesser" skaters. Not only does that leave open the question of
> what makes one a  "lesser" skater in the eyes of Brian Boitano, it opens
> up a can of worms in the interpretation. Does it mean:

> --"I don't associate with lesser skaters, so if any of them have it, I
> don't know about it, so it's a non-issue"?

Ya know - I hate this shit as much as you guys do!  Probably a lot more!  I am a Boitano
fan and I hate the fact that he could be so stupid in making a remark like this.  I want
to find an excuse for him - I can't with the information available - so it burns on me.

Brian Boitano is not Einstein, but he is not stupid either.  He is a focused individual
with a mind that functions and I really don't understand or know why he said this - but
it bugs me too!

I want to give him the benifit of the doubt - you don't.  That's fine.  But my point is
- - - - -

ENOUGH!

Sure I'm saying this because the whole thing makes me uncomfortable and I'm also saying
it because a man I admire and respect has made a blunder and I want you to forget it and
go on - but most of all - I'm just really, really tired of reading about it on the
newsgroup and the listserve.

Can we talk about Oksana being unhappy during a visit from some newsgroup memebers or
could we talk about Pauls new programs?!?  Whatever they might be - or how about why
there is the rumor that the American pairs are doing a shuffle yet again?

Large snip!  Sorry Trudi!

Barb Iverson

 
 
 

Brian's AIDS quote (II)

Post by OhioM » Thu, 05 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>Statistics 101, taught by Prof. Boitano:  In the Detroit article,
> when Boitano claims that 95.8% of elite male skaters are straight (479
out
> of 500?

Obviously he is not part of that group.  I know several skaters that have
toured with Boitano and have met his lover, and it wasn't a woman!  Life
is too short to hide all of your life.  Come out and get on with it!
 
 
 

Brian's AIDS quote (II)

Post by R. Moe » Thu, 05 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
> Obviously he is not part of that group.  I know several skaters that have
> toured with Boitano and have met his lover, and it wasn't a woman!  Life
> is too short to hide all of your life.  Come out and get on with it!

So why do you suppose these several skaters aren't backing you up??
 
 
 

Brian's AIDS quote (II)

Post by j » Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> > Obviously he is not part of that group.  I know several skaters that have
> > toured with Boitano and have met his lover, and it wasn't a woman!  Life
> > is too short to hide all of your life.  Come out and get on with it!

> So why do you suppose these several skaters aren't backing you up??

IF YOU ARE ASKING THIS QUESTION YOU MUST BE STRAIGHT!....COME ON!!!!!!
COME OUT OF THE CLOSET BRIAN
 
 
 

Brian's AIDS quote (II)

Post by R. Moe » Wed, 11 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



> > > Obviously he is not part of that group.  I know several skaters that have
> > > toured with Boitano and have met his lover, and it wasn't a woman!  Life
> > > is too short to hide all of your life.  Come out and get on with it!

> > So why do you suppose these several skaters aren't backing you up??

> IF YOU ARE ASKING THIS QUESTION YOU MUST BE STRAIGHT!....COME ON!!!!!!
> COME OUT OF THE CLOSET BRIAN

I'm sure you have Brian quaking in his Harlicks now.

There is a point to my glib comment.  If Brian's friends aren't bringing
up the subject in mixed company, why should we do it on this newsgroup?  
Makes no difference whether the talk is true or not.  Could it be that
*real* skaters who tour with Boitano understand the potential fallout?  

Take it to alt.showbiz.gossip where all rumors have a nice, happy
home....  :)

--Rob Moes

 
 
 

Brian's AIDS quote (II)

Post by Trudi Marrapo » Wed, 11 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:



> > > Obviously he is not part of that group.  I know several skaters that have
> > > toured with Boitano and have met his lover, and it wasn't a woman!  Life
> > > is too short to hide all of your life.  Come out and get on with it!

> > So why do you suppose these several skaters aren't backing you up??

> IF YOU ARE ASKING THIS QUESTION YOU MUST BE STRAIGHT!....COME ON!!!!!!
> COME OUT OF THE CLOSET BRIAN

Could we put a stop to this, please? This all began as a mere complaint
about the fact that Boitano seems to be denying he ever knew any skaters
with AIDS or HIV, and it has evolved FAR beyond that to rumors about his
own personal life. I don't think that's what was originally intended, and
I don't think it has a place on this group.

So please, let's CAN IT with the "I know someone who says their cousin's
brother's wife saw someone with So-and-So" rumors.

Trudi