--981001 USAToday Kwan article about new programs, not only "hair"

--981001 USAToday Kwan article about new programs, not only "hair"

Post by creepygi » Thu, 01 Oct 1998 04:00:00



Quote:


> (Maine79) writes:

> >The major surprise in article for me was the fact that after her Rach short
> >Kwan would choose to skate to Carmen.

I'm glad that they're choosing more obscure sections of the opera,
though.   If I hear the Toreador music one more time, I may absolutely
lose it, leaving a trail of silly string and victims in my wake.

Quote:
> I think it's interesting to see a return to character pieces.

Is portraying the -fate- of Carmen a character piece, or an abstract
piece?  I guess I'll have to watch it and see which I think it's closer
to.

I also like the

Quote:
> description of a short passage of crisp footwork (the public session moves) in
> the LP, because I really missed that in Lyra Angelica.

I second that emotion, and was very glad to hear more about the actual
moves in the program than we usually do in skating articles.  Thanks for
posting the URL.

-cg, was amused by Nichol's description of the program as "the screaming
of the soul."  Wasn't that how someone (possibly Tarasova) described G&P's
_Memorial_ program just last year?

--
Do you want be a Polyester Bride?  
Or do you want to hang your head and die?
Do you want to find alligator cowboy boots they just put on sale?
Do you want to flap your wings and fly away from here?
--Liz Phair

 
 
 

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Post by PosterBo » Thu, 01 Oct 1998 04:00:00

   Cupla thoughts:

Quote:

>>http://SportToday.org/

>>The USAToday Olympic Glory section features an article about the creation
of
>>Michelle Kwan's new short and long programs, including descriptions of
moves
>>and music, thoughts from Kwan, Nichol and Carroll. Definitely worth
reading,
>>IMHO. Christine Brennan is the author, and she was obviously spending a
good
>>deal of time watching the process unfold.

>I agree the article was well written but did you  notice how Brennan got
her
>swipe in about Tara Lipinski.

    Did I miss something?
    How...by what stretch...could somebody dream up a "swipe" about Tara?
There was a single reference...Michelle stays eligible, Tara doesn't...to
their different paths.   There was a second, single reference, to the style
that gained MK second, and the style that gained TL first.
    Where, o' where, was the swipe???!!!

Quote:
>Honestly, I just e***d because with a new short and long program I'm now
>certain that Kwan will be at Nationals.  In why would she create a new long
>program with such diffcultly if she was only doing the pro-am circuit(some
one
>really needs to come up with a better name for these competitions).

>The major surprise in article for me was the fact that after her Rach short
>Kwan would choose to skate to Carmen.  Frankly, I'm tried of the music but
the
>choreography should be excellent.
> I cannot wait  to compare Kwan's short program to Katarina'a long from 88.

    If you read the article, there shouldn't be a basis for comparison; one
was interpretation of the Carmen story, the other the outcome of that story.
   (If anyone happens to be into stories, that is).  <g>

Quote:

>(This skating season is going to be really boring on the ladies side unless
>Kwan has the problems she had during the 96-97 season.)

    Oh, I imagine that for such a dedicated fan, Carroll, Nichol and Kwan
will dream up a different set of problems for this year. Charmaine.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:

>Charmaine Meyers


 
 
 

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Post by <PegLe.. » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00

<A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/olympics/olyglory/og14/og1401.htm">
http://www.usatoday.com/olympics/olyglory/og14/og1401.htm</A>

The USAToday Olympic Glory section features an article about the creation of
Michelle Kwan's new short and long programs, including descriptions of moves
and music, thoughts from Kwan, Nichol and Carroll. Definitely worth reading,
IMHO. Christine Brennan is the author, and she was obviously spending a good
deal of time watching the process unfold.

Peg, unabashed Kwannoisseur

 
 
 

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Post by Maine » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>http://SportToday.org/

>The USAToday Olympic Glory section features an article about the creation of
>Michelle Kwan's new short and long programs, including descriptions of moves
>and music, thoughts from Kwan, Nichol and Carroll. Definitely worth reading,
>IMHO. Christine Brennan is the author, and she was obviously spending a good
>deal of time watching the process unfold.

I agree the article was well written but did you  notice how Brennan got her
swipe in about Tara Lipinski.

Honestly, I just e***d because with a new short and long program I'm now
certain that Kwan will be at Nationals.  In why would she create a new long
program with such diffcultly if she was only doing the pro-am circuit(some one
really needs to come up with a better name for these competitions).  

The major surprise in article for me was the fact that after her Rach short
Kwan would choose to skate to Carmen.  Frankly, I'm tried of the music but the
choreography should be excellent.
 I cannot wait  to compare Kwan's short program to Katarina'a long from 88.

(This skating season is going to be really boring on the ladies side unless
Kwan has the problems she had during the 96-97 season.)

Charmaine Meyers

 
 
 

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Post by Maine » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00

huh!!!   It's late I really should watch those typos.  Sorry.

 
 
 

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Post by PegLew » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
(Maine79) writes:
>The major surprise in article for me was the fact that after her Rach short
>Kwan would choose to skate to Carmen.

I think it's interesting to see a return to character pieces. I also like the
description of a short passage of crisp footwork (the public session moves) in
the LP, because I really missed that in Lyra Angelica.

Peg, digging through her Massenet...

"This incredibly rapid unintelligible patter isn't generally heard and if is it
doesn't matter."Ruddigore


 
 
 

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Post by Lorrie K » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>-cg, was amused by Nichol's description of the program as "the screaming
>of the soul."  Wasn't that how someone (possibly Tarasova) described G&P's
>_Memorial_ program just last year?

        It must have been Pasha Grischuk, because I distinctly recall the
phrase "the sk*** of our souls" spoken in her voice, somewhere
between "tribute to Gianni Versace" and "the skaters who have died."

                                        Lorrie Kim

 
 
 

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Post by Sally4s » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I thought this was a terrific article.  Instead of creating a "mystery"--ooh,
we're not really going to tell you anything about the programs--Brennan
actually talked skating.  Very interesting and I can't wait to see the
programs!  

Can anyone briefly tell the story of "Ariane", the opera.  I'm not sure I've
even ever heard of it.  

One other thing.  I was the first in line saying that I'd like to see Michelle
do something jazzy, something fast, but I also wanted her to bring back the
brisk and saucy attitude, and application of that attitude in the moves
performed, that we saw in Romanza.  While Carmen and Ariane won't be jazzy or
up-beat, I think we'll get to see our fair share of fast footwork, crisp
choreography, and that thing that Michelle does so well--telling a story.

Oh, and you know?  I did see a swipe at Tara in Brennan's article--she could
have list more than just Tara when refering to 'retiring athletes who have
lowered their standards in the most disappointing of ways' (my paraphrase), but
she also spoke the truth.  And frankly, the content of the article about
Michelle is far more interesting than another argument about Tara vs Michelle
and where Brennan fits in.  Hey, that's all we talked about this summer, let's
try something new, like talking skating.  

Thanks USA Today,
I'm ready for the new season.

SallyH

 
 
 

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Post by five oak » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Thanks for posting this article.  The only time I seem to read USAToday is
when I'm travelling and I would have missed this great article.
 
 
 

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Post by Trudi Marrapo » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> >http://SportToday.org/

> >The USAToday Olympic Glory section features an article about the creation of
> >Michelle Kwan's new short and long programs, including descriptions of moves
> >and music, thoughts from Kwan, Nichol and Carroll. Definitely worth reading,
> >IMHO. Christine Brennan is the author, and she was obviously spending a good
> >deal of time watching the process unfold.

> I agree the article was well written but did you  notice how Brennan got her
> swipe in about Tara Lipinski.

I certainly did! I thought "Oh man, the Tara fans will have smoke coming
out of their ears after this one!" It's the classic "Unlike Other Skaters"
syndrome. The writer cannot compliment or praise the actions of one skater
without condemning the actions of another. As an Orser fan I got used to
it in reading pieces about Boitano: "Unlike other skaters, he doesn't want
to stay in the circus, he wants to go back to the Olympics..." With Kwan
and Brennan it's "Unlike other skaters, she didn't run away to the circus
of the pros..."

OK, Brennan doesn't use the word "circus" here, but she says "Kwan didn't
retire," implies that Lipinski only won the Olympics by jumping her brains
out, and makes disparaging references to names of pro competitions
Michelle WON'T be in. Hey, she's entitled to her opinion, but I foresee a
lot of anger here from the fans of "The Other Skater" in the forced
duality.

Also, anyone whose stomach is turned by breathless hagiography about
skaters in general or Kwan in particular may be prone to stomach upset.
This piece makes Michelle Kwan sound like the greatest artiste figure
skating has ever known, making preparations even now for the 2002
Olympics, by which time (or so you'd get the impression) she will
undoubtedly be SO great she will probably be assumed bodily into Heaven at
the end of her long program...so if you disagree, well, you have been
warned!

Aside from that, it is very interesting. I know, I know, it sounds like
saying that aside from that run-in with the iceberg, the Titanic was a
great ship...but it's true. I couldn't help being intrigued by hearing
about stuff like the "public session steps" and the "C***te spiral."
Sounds as if Michelle is going to try to do Tricia Mansfield one better.
Photographers had best invest in film now.

Quote:
> Honestly, I just e***d because with a new short and long program I'm now
> certain that Kwan will be at Nationals.  In why would she create a new long
> program with such diffcultly if she was only doing the pro-am circuit(some one
> really needs to come up with a better name for these competitions).  

I think you're right about that speculation. Not that the new events will
be "easy," necessarily, but it just sounds to me as if Kwan is tuning up
for something other than that.

Quote:
> The major surprise in article for me was the fact that after her Rach short
> Kwan would choose to skate to Carmen.  Frankly, I'm tried of the music but the
> choreography should be excellent.

I admit, I had to laugh when the article made such a point of saying that
Michelle's cardinal rule is "Never skate to something everyone else has
skated to," then promptly said that her new short program is to Carmen!
AGGGGGGHHHHH! But to give credit, Lori Nichol did take care to make sure
they tried to use less exposed music from it, and Brennan duly pointed out
what kind of reaction many fans have to Carmen by now, and that using
music from it is not exactly what people associate with "avoiding
overexposed music."

Quote:
> I cannot wait  to compare Kwan's short program to Katarina'a long from 88.

Well, with any luck, there won't be much of a comparison. Although I had
to laugh when Brennan described Michelle fooling around with a final pose
that implied death. I thought "I hope she realizes there's no dying on the
ice anymore."

Quote:
> (This skating season is going to be really boring on the ladies side unless
> Kwan has the problems she had during the 96-97 season.)

Well, don't be so sure. I am still looking for some ladies to come through
and make this a contest. It's true that in the USA if you read the papers
you get the impression it's just "Kwan Uber Alles," but I'd like that to
be proven wrong.

Trudi

 
 
 

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Post by PegLew » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>> Honestly, I just e***d because with a new short and long program I'm now
>> certain that Kwan will be at Nationals.  In why would she create a new long
>> program with such diffcultly if she was only doing the pro-am circuit(some
>one
>> really needs to come up with a better name for these competitions).  

I like "openinvits", for "open invitationals." <shrug> Works for me.

Quote:
>I think you're right about that speculation. Not that the new events will
>be "easy," necessarily, but it just sounds to me as if Kwan is tuning up
>for something other than that.

Ten jumps definitely exceed the jump limits for interpretive free skates. ;-)

The print edition teases us. It says in a little box that the short program
will be debuted this weekend at the USFSA proam and the long program will be
debuted later in the season at an event to be determined.

About references to Tara and the Olympics - it's a big set of while elephants
*** out there. The two skaters were linked all season last year, it's not
surprising to see a skater many expected to turn pro (who didn't) contrasted
with one who wasn't expected to turn pro (who did). And it's the first time
Brennan has been able to write about Kwan's reaction to her Olympic experience
with the perspective of some time - 6 months or so - having passed, so it was a
topic that still needed attention. I hope, though, that this is the last
invocation of Lipinski I have to read about this season in an article about
Kwan. The duality-thing is definitely old, IMO, but as I said I see why it was
included in this article.

The photos were of her intermediate-length hair. Those Grand Slam photos had a
shorter 'do.

Peg, who was the recipient of a copy of USAToday this AM from a very kind soul,
now in favor-debt ;-)

"This incredibly rapid unintelligible patter isn't generally heard and if is it
doesn't matter."Ruddigore


 
 
 

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Post by PegLew » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>> (This skating season is going to be really boring on the ladies side unless
>> Kwan has the problems she had during the 96-97 season.)

>Well, don't be so sure. I am still looking for some ladies to come through
>and make this a contest. It's true that in the USA if you read the papers
>you get the impression it's just "Kwan Uber Alles," but I'd like that to
>be proven wrong.

I think there are a lot of skaters who could step their work up a notch and
surprise us all. The most potential to improve is Irina Slutskaya. The SP she
skated at the Goodwill Games was definitely a declaration of war, IMO. She has
a lot of refinement to do, to be sure, but she's showing signs that she *wants*
to prevail over Kwan by improving her choreography and details. Put the
refinements atop her speed and her awesome jumps (once she has them landed
consistently, of course) and she will win against the Kwan of the 97'-98
season.

Of course, Michelle wants to improve, too.

Others (international level) with a real chance to take advantage of an off
night, or with willful improvement could contend with Kwan on a good night:
Butyrskaya, Volchova, Bobek, Gusmeroli, Hubert, Lavrenshuk (?sp - the gal in
the "Look for me" ad), Rechnio. On the national level, we could be surprised by
Corwin, Nikodinov, Vogel [not giving up on her yet], McConn. Which of them will
make the step to the next level? Or are there some unknown (to American TV
audiences) skaters out there stealthily eyeing that top step? Who has the
monetary resources, the desire, the health, the luck (if you believe in same)?

We'll find out in time. I think it's going to be very exciting. Very exciting,
indeed.

Peg

"This incredibly rapid unintelligible patter isn't generally heard and if is it
doesn't matter."Ruddigore


 
 
 

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Post by Tracey Sesle » Fri, 02 Oct 1998 04:00:00

[snip]

Quote:
> Ten jumps definitely exceed the jump limits for interpretive free skates. ;-)

> The print edition teases us. It says in a little box that the short program
> will be debuted this weekend at the USFSA proam and the long program will be
> debuted later in the season at an event to be determined.

So do you think that she would water the long program down to fit the
open-invitational format, or wait to unveil it in all its artistic and technical
splendor?  Seeing as there are jump limitations at the pro-ams, how could she
perform the full program unless it were at an eligible-only competition (like Grand
Prix or nationals)?  Could she possibly be thinking of competing in the Grand Prix
(Skate America, maybe)?  If not, where else could she debut the program besides
Nationals?

Tracey