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Post by Eda Tseinye » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> : First of all, I don't dislike Michelle Kwan; I just find her overrated,
> : and I do like to play devil's advocate with some of the goopy "angels
> : and clouds" fans she has.

> In other words, your posts about Michelle's skating are partly about your
> lack of response to her actual skating, and partly about your loathing of
> a particular contingent of her fans.  :-)  

Yes and no.  When I watch Kwan skate, of course I do my best to judge
her objectively.  But when I respond to posts on the internet, I might
be more likely to pick on Kwan for more inconsequential things (play
devil's advocate) because some of her fans are so irritating.

Quote:
>Well, at least you're honest.

Why shouldn't I be honest?  Besides, the humor factor is that there's
generally at least one person who'll use this kind of admission to
"prove" that they are more highly evolved than I am.  

Quote:
> Not to read too much into you (since we haven't met) but is it possible
> that your reaction to Michelle isn't just wholly about her skating, but
> also about what she represents to you?  

Of course that plays a role, but the more I learn about skating, the
more likely I am to be able to view each skater and each performance
without pre-bias.  Rather than boast about my intellectual or m***
superiority, I find it more expedient to accept my many flaws and try to
get ride of them... ;^)

By the way, you'll be happy to know that I was *** off a response
full of righteous indignation to your post about "theatrical" skating
when my computer crashed.   When it all evaporated, I was made keenly
aware that it wasn't all that important anyway.

Love and Flowers,

Eda

 
 
 

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Post by Tmom » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
> >I'd love to take all the PR people, line them up against a wall, and, well,

you know  (BEFORE the lawyers,  some of whom do useful things like write wills
and fight employer  discrimination.....whereas I can't see that PR people do
anything useful at all)>>

Actually, there is nothing wrong with being careful and "scientific" or
"professional" about a performer's relations with the public, which is what
public relations experts are supposed to do!.  Certainly, no skater can focus
on their skating and all that stuff as well!  

I think we mix up the *corruption* of a profession with the need for that
profession in the first place.  But public relations folk are apparently very
corrupt these days.. partly because they are vicious creeps and partly because
we in the public allow them to get away with it.  

Tmoms  

 
 
 

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Post by Eda Tseinye » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> >This is a SPOILER for those people who don't want to know results until
> >the event is shown on TV.

> Question: In part two, you mention that you felt the judging was suspect, but
> you never explicitly addressed it except in dance. Were there other instances?

I think I was confused by the mix of pro and eligible and wasn't sure
what the judges were looking for.  Perhaps it's not fair, but I felt as
though having a panel of ISU judges there somehow gave the event a
veneer of accountability and consistency without that actually being the
case.  I felt badly for the judges and badly for the skaters.

There were other specific instances I wasn't clear on (for instance,
Bayul behind Chen Lu in the artistic), but that happens at all-eligible
events too.  ;^)

Eda

 
 
 

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Post by Pope Jocko MLX » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:44:09 -0500,

seful at all)

Quote:

>Hey...I'm a PR person...

>Trudi

Ha!  What an irony.  Well......I'm gonna resist a tempation that is
almost overwhelming.
 
 
 

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Post by Pope Jocko MLX » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>Actually, there is nothing wrong with being careful and "scientific" or
>"professional" about a performer's relations with the public, which is what
>public relations experts are supposed to do!.  Certainly, no skater can focus
>on their skating and all that stuff as well!  

Well, what people are "supposed to do" and what they actually do is
usually far, far apart. For example, to read the first few books of
the New Testament, you'd come to believe that attacks on poor people
would disqualify one from being called "Christian", but that isnt the
way it is.  So what a member of a particular profession "is supposed
to do" seems pretty irrelevant to me. I'll stick with what actually
happens.  
 
 
 

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Post by Revjoel » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>Ha!  What an irony.  Well......I'm gonna resist a tempation that is
>almost overwhelming.

Perhaps next time you could resist posting anything at all.

Joelle
"Whoever you like is the best skater in the world."
Scott Hamilton
Please Don't Respond to Trolls

 
 
 

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Post by Ellen B. Edgert » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00


: > I'd love to take all the PR people,
: > line them up against a wall, and, well, you know  (BEFORE the lawyers,
: > some of whom do useful things like write wills and fight employer
: > discrimination.....whereas I can't see that PR people do anything
: > useful at all)

: Hey...I'm a PR person...

I'm a PR person too, and can confirm that they do nothing useful at all.
:-)

 
 
 

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Post by TCAX » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>ou'll be happy to know that I was *** off a response
>full of righteous indignation to your post about "theatrical" skating
>when my computer crashed.   When it all evaporated, I was made keenly
>aware that it wasn't all that important anyway.

>Eda

************
Eda, I think computer crashes have "saved" all of us some aggravations.  I know
it's spared me my own righteous indignation posts  : O )

THEO

 
 
 

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Post by Trudi Marrapo » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:



> : > I'd love to take all the PR people,
> : > line them up against a wall, and, well, you know  (BEFORE the lawyers,
> : > some of whom do useful things like write wills and fight employer
> : > discrimination.....whereas I can't see that PR people do anything
> : > useful at all)

> : Hey...I'm a PR person...

> I'm a PR person too, and can confirm that they do nothing useful at all.
> :-)

Ah, so *that's* why you're in the Women's Building! (The unpleasant time I
spent there was working for Telefund. Ugh. You want to talk about useless.
Give me PR any day.)

Trudi

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Post by Trudi Marrapo » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

> > >I'd love to take all the PR people, line them up against a wall, and, well,
> you know  (BEFORE the lawyers,  some of whom do useful things like write wills
> and fight employer  discrimination.....whereas I can't see that PR people do
> anything useful at all)>>

> Actually, there is nothing wrong with being careful and "scientific" or
> "professional" about a performer's relations with the public, which is what
> public relations experts are supposed to do!.  Certainly, no skater can focus
> on their skating and all that stuff as well!  

> I think we mix up the *corruption* of a profession with the need for that
> profession in the first place.  But public relations folk are apparently very
> corrupt these days.. partly because they are vicious creeps and partly because
> we in the public allow them to get away with it.  

Tmoms, I think it would be best for you not to malign the occupation of
anyone on this newsgroup. People are individuals, and to refer to any
group of people as "corrupt" and "vicious creeps" simply because of their
occupation is a tad bit abusive.

Trudi

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Post by Pope Jocko MLX » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>>Ha!  What an irony.  Well......I'm gonna resist a tempation that is
>>almost overwhelming.

>Perhaps next time you could resist posting anything at all.

I haven't done enough for you already?  You know, it isnt your fees
that support this whole thing. Why don't you do what I do....don't
READ what doesnt suit you.  But don't go around thinking you can pick
who posts and who doesnt.  You'll just have to settle for my pursing
my lips when I see you do something funny.
 
 
 

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Post by PegLew » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
MLXIV) writes:


>>>Ha!  What an irony.  Well......I'm gonna resist a tempation that is
>>>almost overwhelming.

>>Perhaps next time you could resist posting anything at all.

>I haven't done enough for you already?  You know, it isnt your fees
>that support this whole thing. Why don't you do what I do....don't
>READ what doesnt suit you.

Question: How do you know a post doesn't suit you until you've read it?
[Paradox extraordinaire. ;^)]

Quote:
>But don't go around thinking you can pick who posts and who doesnt.

I don't think that's what she was suggesting. You said you were not going to
write something you were tempted to write, and Joelle wondered - on the heels
of that admission - why you bothered to say anything at all. I must confess
that I wondered the same thing. :^) <shrug> I certainly wouldn't interpret that
as an attempt to control who posts in the newsgroup, Che.

Quote:
>  You'll just have to settle for my pursing
>my lips when I see you do something funny.

<chuckle>

Thanks!

Peg

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Post by Tmom » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Re: the below:

Actually, Trudi, I was defending the occupation of public relations expert in
general, and drawing a distinction between those in that profession who are
corrupt, and those who are not.  Numerous posts on this ng have complained of
corruption both in general and specifically by certain PR individuals, and you
were not among them.  I said nothing about you.  I was in fact answering and
disagreeing with a poster who condemned the entire profession -- specifically
the first quote below, which you erroneously attribute to me.  To be clear, I
have great respect for the public relations profession, understand that
performers need such experts to communicate effectively with the public, and
that performers need to concentrate on their -- skating, in this instance --
not pr work.  I do believe, however, that there are some very unprincipled
people within the profession, and that the public is often victimized by them,
and needs to understand when it is being manipulated. Sorry if I was not clear.

Tmoms


Quote:

> > >I'd love to take all the PR people, line them up against a wall, and,
well,
> you know  (BEFORE the lawyers,  some of whom do useful things like write
wills
> and fight employer  discrimination.....whereas I can't see that PR people do
> anything useful at all)>>

> Actually, there is nothing wrong with being careful and "scientific" or
> "professional" about a performer's relations with the public, which is what
> public relations experts are supposed to do!.  Certainly, no skater can focus
> on their skating and all that stuff as well!  

> I think we mix up the *corruption* of a profession with the need for that
> profession in the first place.  But public relations folk are apparently very
> corrupt these days.. partly because they are vicious creeps and partly
because
> we in the public allow them to get away with it.  

Tmoms, I think it would be best for you not to malign the occupation of
anyone on this newsgroup. People are individuals, and to refer to any
group of people as "corrupt" and "vicious creeps" simply because of their
occupation is a tad bit abusive.

Trudi