Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Shalla » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00


  I ask this now because I just read an article at msnbc that mentions that
Disney is starting up a cable station that will show NOTHING but SOAP
OPERAS!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!
If they can sell THAT why not All SKATING ALL THE TIME????? (please forgive
the shouting).

The article is at http://www.msnbc.com/news/256611.asp half way down the page.

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Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Ken Walt » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00

[...]
  If they can sell THAT why not All SKATING ALL THE TIME????? (please forgive
[...]

There isn't that much skating and you have seen most of each
skater's numbers many time by now.  It starts to get boreing.

Ken Walter

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Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Shalla » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> There isn't that much skating and you have seen most of each
> skater's numbers many time by now.  It starts to get boreing.

> Ken Walter

There were over 40 women at Worlds this year and here in the US we were lucky
to get to see the medalists.  They could show the ENTIRE Worlds, Olympic and
GP Series competitions, not just the medalists and not just the long
programs. AND show ALL of the ehibitions too!!!!! They could go back and do
some classic comepetitions from the past and do quality 'fluff' showing how a
skater and choreographer develops the programs and the kind of training the
top ranked skaters do daily.  They could show national competions from all
over the world and show the top Junior and Novice skaters.  I remember
reading since I got online about Naomi Nari Nam but only got to watch her for
the first time at Senior US Nationals.  And I continue to read about other
promising youngters that could end up being the Kwan's and boitano's of
tomorrow but will not get to see skate for years as I don't have the money to
travel to compeitions (unless I win Publishers Clearing House net year!).  I
myself would not find all of this boring.

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Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Oscark » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00

There is a channel called SPEEDVISION for auto racing.  Watching cars go round
and round  in a circle for hours is not that interesting, and you can see all
the cool auto wrecks on FOX's world scariest videos so what's the point?

If there is a stupid channel for auto racing, why not one for figure skating?

Oscar

 
 
 

Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Enki » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00



:: I ask this now because I just read an article at msnbc that mentions that
::Disney is starting up a cable station that will show NOTHING but SOAP
::OPERAS!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!
::If they can sell THAT why not All SKATING ALL THE TIME????? (please forgive
::the shouting).

The answer is probably banal:  A more lucrative market.  I think the
historic reliability of soap opera fans is some sort of statement.
Hard to find another genre that has its own separate awards show.  AND
a column of updates in the daily newspaper so that the fans don't get
out of touch with the plotlines.  And, of course, the media try to
turn skating into soap opera in the hopes that the soap fans will
become more interested in skating.

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Che:  October 9, 1967

 
 
 

Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Enki » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00


::There isn't that much skating and you have seen most of each
::skater's numbers many time by now.  It starts to get boreing.

Compared to the 80's, there is a lot of skating now.  But I agree that
the acquisition of the networks and major cable channels by Disney,
General Electric, and such has led to production approaches that make
today's shows less interesting than they used to be.  Skating
broadcasts were best when the networks were independent companies. I'd
definitely want a skating channel to be independent, not directed by
some huge conglomerate.  But I think the chance of it happening is
pretty slim....though maybe someday there'll be Internet video of
skating.  That might involve low enough production costs that it could
be interesting again.  I've enjoyed seeing skating in person, so all
that would be required is a camera set a few rows above the rail that
followed the skater. Because that's what you get when you go in
person.
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Che:  October 9, 1967

 
 
 

Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Enki » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00



::There is a channel called SPEEDVISION for auto racing.  Watching cars go round
::and round  in a circle for hours is not that interesting, and you can see all
::the cool auto wrecks on FOX's world scariest videos so what's the point?

My tastes in sports are the same. But as a pure market economics
question, broadcasting car races probably makes more money. These fans
like to drink beer and such.  Other than skating itself, the marketers
obviously haven't found skate fans to have expensive habits that can
be exploited (how COME the ice skate companies don't run commercials
on skate broadcasts? I don't see any of the people who run ads in
International Figure Skating running ads on the broadcasts)

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Che:  October 9, 1967

 
 
 

Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Enki » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00

I think the events are there, especially if you broadcast everything.
But how many cable fans would want it?

Please, here's the thing.  The major networks have billions of ad
dollars behind them.  They can  easily outbid any little cable channel
and insist on exclusive rights.  And the sanctioning organizations
will probably go with the money rather than the desires of fans.



::There were over 40 women at Worlds this year and here in the US we were lucky
::to get to see the medalists.  They could show the ENTIRE Worlds, Olympic and
::GP Series competitions, not just the medalists and not just the long
::programs. AND show ALL of the ehibitions too!!!!! They could go back and do
::some classic comepetitions from the past and do quality 'fluff' showing how a
::skater and choreographer develops the programs and the kind of training the
::top ranked skaters do daily.  They could show national competions from all
::over the world and show the top Junior and Novice skaters.  I remember
::reading since I got online about Naomi Nari Nam but only got to watch her for
::the first time at Senior US Nationals.        And I continue to read about other
::promising youngters that could end up being the Kwan's and boitano's of
::tomorrow but will not get to see skate for years as I don't have the money to
::travel to compeitions (unless I win Publishers Clearing House net year!).  I
::myself would not find all of this boring.

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Che:  October 9, 1967

 
 
 

Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Christopher R. Carle » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> > There isn't that much skating and you have seen most of each
> > skater's numbers many time by now.  It starts to get boreing.

> > Ken Walter

> There were over 40 women at Worlds this year and here in the US we were lucky
> to get to see the medalists.  They could show the ENTIRE Worlds, Olympic and
> GP Series competitions, not just the medalists and not just the long
> programs. AND show ALL of the ehibitions too!!!!! They could go back and do
> some classic comepetitions from the past and do quality 'fluff' showing how a
> skater and choreographer develops the programs and the kind of training the
> top ranked skaters do daily.  They could show national competions from all
> over the world and show the top Junior and Novice skaters.  I remember
> reading since I got online about Naomi Nari Nam but only got to watch her for
> the first time at Senior US Nationals.  And I continue to read about other
> promising youngters that could end up being the Kwan's and boitano's of
> tomorrow but will not get to see skate for years as I don't have the money to
> travel to compeitions (unless I win Publishers Clearing House net year!).  I
> myself would not find all of this boring.

Those who decide what we have the liberty to experience, so long as it
is profitable for them, win again, I'm afraid.

I would be interested in an all skating channel, even if the big events
were covered by the big entertainment corps.  Reason is, in a short time
the internet may make things like this possible.  I'd even watch
rinkside practice videos.

The internet has a great potential to empower people to decide for
themselves what they will do with their lives.

I remember this girl at the rink where I used to skate.  Every time I'd
watch her I thought she could be a star, if only she had started a
little earlier and could have mastered all the jumps.  Simply because
her skating was so pretty to watch.  But few have any idea that this
person exists, much less the chance to ever enjoy watching her talent.  

Whatever.  Time to eat my lunch.  Bye.

_____________________________
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Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Kitty Bouque » Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>There were over 40 women at Worlds this year and here in the US we were
lucky
>to get to see the medalists.  They could show the ENTIRE Worlds, Olympic
and
>GP Series competitions, not just the medalists and not just the long
>programs.

I love this idea.  I would like to see regionals and sectionals as well as
nationals from various countries. It would be very interesting to see the
levels of skating that exist and the new champions coming up at their
earliest stages.

Kitty

 
 
 

Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Enki » Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:00:00

On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:38:18 GMT, "Christopher R. Carlen"

::The internet has a great potential to empower people to decide for
::themselves what they will do with their lives.

i wonder how long till fans will be able to take their video camera
and then turn the tape into video files to post on their web sites, to
REALLY give those who didnt make it the flavor (well, at least of
practices...you know the arenas will still prohibit video cameras at
the competitions).  But I saw all kinds of skaters walking up and down
the streets of Minneapolis. I could have taken videos of lots of
stuff.  That'll be pretty awesome.

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Che:  October 9, 1967

 
 
 

Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Trudi Marrapo » Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:



>::There is a channel called SPEEDVISION for auto racing.  Watching cars
go round
>::and round  in a circle for hours is not that interesting, and you can see all
>::the cool auto wrecks on FOX's world scariest videos so what's the point?

>My tastes in sports are the same. But as a pure market economics
>question, broadcasting car races probably makes more money. These fans
>like to drink beer and such.  Other than skating itself, the marketers
>obviously haven't found skate fans to have expensive habits that can
>be exploited (how COME the ice skate companies don't run commercials
>on skate broadcasts? I don't see any of the people who run ads in
>International Figure Skating running ads on the broadcasts)

The cost-per-thousand of the advertising would make no sense, that's why.

Advertising rates are compared on a "cost-per-thousand" basis (CPM). That
way different forms of advertising at widely varying rates can be compared
directly to one another in terms of how much it costs to reach a thousand
people in each medium.

As much as TV has fragmented in its audience in the past 30 years, it is
still a mass medium. This means it has a low CPM compared to, say, a
skating magazine--but if you buy a TV ad for skating boots or blades, you
are paying good money to reach thousands, nay millions, of people who have
no interest whatsoever in buying a professional skating boot or blade in
their lives, and never will do so. It's just not cost-effective.

It makes far, far more sense for skating equipment manufacturers to
advertise in a more targeted medium, such as a skating magazine. Higher
CPM, but they reach an audience that is MUCH more likely to buy what they
are selling.

Golf is different, because more golf fans actually play golf
themselves--so you will see clubs, golf balls, etc., advertised on TV,
even other than on The Golf Channel. But not as many skating fans actually
skate, and those that do often aren't into buying expensive equipment.

I think skating fans DO have expensive habits, but participating in the
sport is for the most part NOT one of them. Those who want to make skating
profitable enough to put a channel full of it on TV need to find out what
those habits are and how to prove to the folks who sell stuff to feed
those habits that the people engaging in them are skating fans who would
watch the channel.

Trudi

 
 
 

Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Kitty Bouque » Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>There were over 40 women at Worlds this year and here in the US we were
lucky
>to get to see the medalists.  They could show the ENTIRE Worlds, Olympic
and
>GP Series competitions, not just the medalists and not just the long
>programs.

I love this idea.  I would like to see regionals and sectionals as well as
nationals from various countries. It would be very interesting to see the
levels of skating that exist and the new champions coming up at their
earliest stages.

Kitty

P.S. I tried to post this before. Sorry if you received it twice.

 
 
 

Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by Heathe » Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Like there isn't enough soap on already, all afternoon, even many evening
shows are just soaps.

Heather.



Quote:
>   I ask this now because I just read an article at msnbc that mentions
that
> Disney is starting up a cable station that will show NOTHING but SOAP
> OPERAS!!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!
Quote:
> If they can sell THAT why not All SKATING ALL THE TIME????? (please
forgive
> the shouting).

> The article is at http://www.msnbc.com/news/256611.asp half way down the
page.

> ________________________________________________________________________
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
> change the world; Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." --
> Margaret Mead

> Shallah's Passel of Polls Including What are the worst costumes ever? &
What
> music will you never see skated too?

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Why isn't there an all skating cable station?

Post by K. Parso » Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Wait a minute - I follow CART and IRL (the kind of open-wheeled race cars
in the Indy 500).
As I have defended my interests in that newsgroup (to riotous macho
laughter), let me do so here.

Both are sports that involve an extremely high level of precision.  

Both involve athletes who are acting alone and fail or succeed on their
own although both are also dependent on their equipment (and coaches and
pit crews, etc.).

Both have the devil in the details - anyone can take a car and run it
around a race track.  But how many can plan strategy, take advantage of
weaknesses in others, etc., while moving at 200 mph?  Skating is the same
- the skater must think through the entire program, change it when
necessary, keep their hands and feet where they should be, etc.

When I see a Champ car make a pass at 200 mph, I feel the same way as when
I watch a skater do a jump, lift or spin.  It is damn exciting to watch.

Parsnips

Quote:



> ::There is a channel called SPEEDVISION for auto racing.  Watching cars
go round
> ::and round  in a circle for hours is not that interesting, and you can
see all
> ::the cool auto wrecks on FOX's world scariest videos so what's the point?

> My tastes in sports are the same. But as a pure market economics
> question, broadcasting car races probably makes more money. These fans
> like to drink beer and such.  Other than skating itself, the marketers
> obviously haven't found skate fans to have expensive habits that can
> be exploited (how COME the ice skate companies don't run commercials
> on skate broadcasts? I don't see any of the people who run ads in
> International Figure Skating running ads on the broadcasts)

> ------------------
> Che:  October 9, 1967