ABC - Hersheys Challenge

ABC - Hersheys Challenge

Post by Shillelag » Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Just finished watching this show - and have a few comments and observations.
I didn't make any notes, so I'm just commenting from memory.

ABC spent too much time on little fluff pictures of some of the skaters
smiling behind a bouquet of tulips.  If they had cut out that stuff, and
added another half hour of skating, we could have seen the pairs and ice
dance they so kindly chacked.

I missed the first few minutes of the broadcast, so didn't see Rudy Galindo
skate, but was really impressed with Elvis Stojko's skating on the revised
Taiko Drum program.  He seemed rested, so the program looked crisp and the
jumps were landed well.  That was the best I've ever seen him skate that
program.

Victor Petrenko looked overweight and out of shape, and I wonder if that's
why he didn't land his jumps very well.  The program itself had a good
concept for show skating, but had a bit too much posing for a competition.

Todd Eldredge was ... well,  Todd.  He seems to be skating well, but the
music was absolutely blecherous.  And to think people complain about Celine
Dion.  This piece of music was so bad, it hurt my ears!  As ever, his spins
were good,  but he sure popped that axel. Nice costume too.

Loved the duel between Kristi Yamaguchi and Yuka Sato.  They were about the
most evenly matched.  I had forgotten how beautifully Kristi skates because
we don't get to see her often.  Her music and costume were gorgeous!  Too
bad she had that little stumble, but I would have given her a slight edge
over Sato.

Michael Weiss/Yags - hmm....   Yags was definitely a little out of shape,
but his program was light years ahead of Weiss.  Weiss had one of the "show"
programs that in this case couldn't compete.  Yes, Weiss's jumps were
better, but jumps do not a whole program make.  His little Annie Mae looked
darling with her little daisy headband on one of those fluff pieces - but we
could have done without those so as to see the dance and pairs.  So for what
it's worth (not much),  I don't think Weiss was "robbed".

Sarah Hughes and Kat Witt - Sarah is going to be a lovely skater if she
continues as well as she seems to be doing.  Her skating doesn't have the
maturity (of course) of Witt, but her program had more content to it.  Kat's
music was about has bad as Todd's.  I think she would have done better
skating to "Angel".

Kwan/Butyrskaya....   Michelle's piece was lovely,  a complete package.
Her costume was gorgeous!  The music was nice,  but darn close to a GFB...
Unfortunately for Maria, she had an "off" day, and was skating like she
usually skates - jerky, clunky and awkward,  and landing her jumps with a
"thunk".  I would have much rather seen Yamaguchi and Kwan compete against
each other.  (Yes, I know - that's not what this competition was about - but
I'd love to see the judges handle that one)

All that said,  I enjoyed the broadcast much more than the cheesefest we saw
last week (Ice Wars)
Shelagh

 
 
 

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Post by Sandra Loosemor » Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> I missed the first few minutes of the broadcast, so didn't see Rudy Galindo
> skate, but was really impressed with Elvis Stojko's skating on the revised
> Taiko Drum program.  He seemed rested, so the program looked crisp and the
> jumps were landed well.  That was the best I've ever seen him skate that
> program.

Do you know, since Elvis has lost a little weight and grown his hair
out again this season, sometimes I look at him and almost think I'm
seeing Brian Orser now.  There's that same sense of lightness and
quickness to his footwork.

Quote:
> Victor Petrenko looked overweight and out of shape, and I wonder if that's
> why he didn't land his jumps very well.  The program itself had a good
> concept for show skating, but had a bit too much posing for a competition.

Yeah, Viktor seems to have cut back on his training and to have given
up on doing anything other than triple toes and double axels any more.
BTW, last fall I was actually skating on the same session while he was
working on the choreography to this program.  I must say that it's a
novel experience to share the ice with an Olympic champion -- but *not*
have to watch out for them while they're skating their program!  :-P

Quote:
> Todd Eldredge was ... well,  Todd.  He seems to be skating well, but the
> music was absolutely blecherous.  And to think people complain about Celine
> Dion.  This piece of music was so bad, it hurt my ears!

Indeed.  After the first minute or two, this one got the fast-forward
button because I just couldn't tolerate that horrible music.

Quote:
> Kwan/Butyrskaya....   Michelle's piece was lovely,  a complete package.
> Her costume was gorgeous!  The music was nice,  but darn close to a GFB...

I liked the choreography a lot, but tried my best to ignore the music.  

Quote:
> Unfortunately for Maria, she had an "off" day, and was skating like she
> usually skates - jerky, clunky and awkward,  and landing her jumps with a
> "thunk".

I was also wondering if "her dress is cut on the bias" is going to
become a new Button euphemism for "she has a colossal wedgie".  :-P

-Sandra

 
 
 

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Post by Bev1025 » Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:00:00

The music was nice,  but darn close to a GFB...

OK, what's a GFB?  (By the way, Shelagh, I agreed with most of your post.  I
can't BELIEVE they'd chack Kasakova and Dmetriev!)  And is there such a word as
"blecherous"?  LOL!  I think I can tell what it means, though.

P.S.  Shelagh's my daughter's name.  Did you ever get called "sh-logga-hay"?

 
 
 

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Post by Aquabass » Mon, 19 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>Victor Petrenko looked overweight and out of shape, and I wonder if that's
>why he didn't land his jumps very well.  The program itself had a good
>concept for show skating, but had a bit too much posing for a competition.

He's definately out of shape but I liked the program; a major improvement over
"I'm Too ***", etc.

Quote:
>Loved the duel between Kristi Yamaguchi and Yuka Sato.  They were about the
>most evenly matched.  I had forgotten how beautifully Kristi skates because
>we don't get to see her often.  Her music and costume were gorgeous!  Too
>bad she had that little stumble, but I would have given her a slight edge
>over Sato.

Two beautiful skaters, too bad that Yuka fell on the toe.

Quote:
>Michael Weiss/Yags - hmm....   Yags was definitely a little out of shape,
>but his program was light years ahead of Weiss.  Weiss had one of the "show"
>programs that in this case couldn't compete.  Yes, Weiss's jumps were
>better, but jumps do not a whole program make.

Yeah, did you notice the 5.6/5.6 from the US judge? Harsh. Weiss had the jumps
but Yags had everything else.

Quote:
>Kat's
>music was about has bad as Todd's.  I think she would have done better
>skating to "Angel".

Kat's program was bad. But now, SARAH HUGHES! What an awesome performance! She
is *feeling* the music, wonderful interpretation! It seems her improvement is
exponential this season.

Quote:
>Unfortunately for Maria, she had an "off" day, and was skating like she
>usually skates - jerky, clunky and awkward,  and landing her jumps with a
>"thunk".

Man, was that loop ugly! Woah! But actually, I thought this was the best she
skated the tango since Grand Slam. No major jump errors and she had a few of
those wacked-out *** expressions going again.

Quote:
>All that said,  I enjoyed the broadcast much more than the cheesefest we saw
>last week (Ice Wars)

It definately could have been *much* worse. I found all of the programs
entertaining.

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Post by Shillelag » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>The music was nice,  but darn close to a GFB...
>OK, what's a GFB?  (By the way, Shelagh, I agreed with most of your post.
I
>can't BELIEVE they'd chack Kasakova and Dmetriev!)  And is there such a
word as
>"blecherous"?  LOL!  I think I can tell what it means, though.

Bev - GFB is "generic female balad" - examples some people would give you -
the song Michelle skated to from "Message in a Bottle";  anything by Celine
Dion (not that I agree with that - I am one of the few people who will admit
publicly that I love listening to "My Heart Will Go On").   ABC chacking the
pairs and dance was quite frustrating.  I enjoy all the skaters that were
chacked and was looking forward to seeing them.   I also read on another
post that Naomi Nari Nam skated an exhibition.  It would have been nice to
see her too.

Nah, blecherous isn't in my dictionary,  but I've seen it written before -
derived from the expression "blech" - sort of like - you stick your finger
down your throat to imitate gagging.   I think it's very descriptive,
especially of that song Todd skated to - eeeeek!

Quote:
>P.S.  Shelagh's my daughter's name.  Did you ever get called

"sh-logga-hay"?

No,  but I've had lots of people look at the spelling and just give up
trying to figure out what it is.  I have had some say "sh-lay",  and
nicknames by my family - "She-lug" and "She-lag".   I've been told it's a
derivative of the Irish word  "shillelagh",  hence my nickname on this ng.
Shelagh

 
 
 

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Post by Shillelag » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>Do you know, since Elvis has lost a little weight and grown his hair
>out again this season, sometimes I look at him and almost think I'm
>seeing Brian Orser now.  There's that same sense of lightness and
>quickness to his footwork.

He looks really good with a little less weight,  but I wish he'd cut the
hair a little shorter.  I agree about the footwork - it was impressive.  I
couldn't believe it, but I actually got the chills watching him skate.  If
he keeps that up, maybe he'll be back in competitive form next season.

Quote:
>Yeah, Viktor seems to have cut back on his training and to have given
>up on doing anything other than triple toes and double axels any more.
>BTW, last fall I was actually skating on the same session while he was
>working on the choreography to this program.  I must say that it's a
>novel experience to share the ice with an Olympic champion -- but *not*
>have to watch out for them while they're skating their program!  :-P

That must be a scary experience to try to do your thing while you're trying
to keep an eye on everyone else doing theirs.

Quote:
>I was also wondering if "her dress is cut on the bias" is going to
>become a new Button euphemism for "she has a colossal wedgie".  :-P

No kidding - time will tell.
Shelagh
 
 
 

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Post by Nonnie » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>P.S.  Shelagh's my daughter's name.  Did you ever get called

"sh-logga-hay"?

No,  but I've had lots of people look at the spelling and just give up
trying to figure out what it is.  I have had some say "sh-lay",  and
nicknames by my family - "She-lug" and "She-lag".   I've been told it's a
derivative of the Irish word  "shillelagh",  hence my nickname on this ng.

So how do you pronounce it?  I'm thinking, "Sheila."

Now, I don't know how much you know about Irish Gaelic.  But I looked up
"sillelagh" in my Irish dictionary (because sHillelagh is lenited, which is a
grammatical softening of words by their preceeding word, like mo chota "mo
jhota" instead of mo cota "mo kota", for my coat,), and I found no such word.
Closest I found was:  sileigh, to neglect, and seilg, to hunt.  As far as I
know, un-lenited words that start with "sh" don't even exist in Irish.  What
were you told that "Shillelagh" means?

Jocelyn, who knows a fair amount of Irish Gaelic and its pronunciation, ie
"bean si" is "bahn shee", etc etc, and is very curious about the word
"shillelagh".
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Post by Nonnie » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>He looks really good with a little less weight,  but I wish he'd cut the
>hair a little shorter.  

Yeah, someone needs to tell the people at Super Cuts that when Elvis says he's
a skater, he means a *figure* skater, not a hockey player!!!

Jocelyn, who can't stand his hair, and by the way, Ilia Kulik's long shaggy
cuts (a la Grand Prix Final - bleccch!) either.  Give me men with short hair
any day!!!
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mair do siorai sonas-live for eternal happiness
only when the questions become more important than the answers,
will the solutions emerge
"until we meet again, in my heart is where I hold you, my friend"

 
 
 

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Post by Nonnie » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>So how do you pronounce it?  I'm thinking, "Sheila."

Another intersting thought I just came across:  "Sheila" is spelled "Sile"
(accented and thus a slender i) in Irish.  Maybe it's a bad Americanized
transliteration, like Sean to Shawn, or in Russian, "HET" is "no," but it's
transliterated as "nyet".  I can't explain the "gh" part, though.  Traditional
transliteration would have your name pronounced "shee-lag".

Jocelyn, frustrated but intrigued... !
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Post by Shillelag » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>So how do you pronounce it?  I'm thinking, "Sheila."

You would be right.

Quote:
>Now, I don't know how much you know about Irish Gaelic.

Nothing.  Nada.

Quote:
>But I looked up
>"sillelagh" in my Irish dictionary (because sHillelagh is lenited, which is
a
>grammatical softening of words by their preceeding word, like mo chota "mo
>jhota" instead of mo cota "mo kota", for my coat,), and I found no such
word.
>Closest I found was:  sileigh, to neglect, and seilg, to hunt.  As far as I
>know, un-lenited words that start with "sh" don't even exist in Irish.
What
>were you told that "Shillelagh" means?

It's the name of a village in east-central Ireland, and also it's the name
of a cudgel as in "I'll hit you with my shillelagh" (All that info is
according to my dictionary).

My mum liked the Irish spelling of Shelagh, and that's why it's "Shelagh"
instead of "Sheila".  I've also seen "Sheelagh" and "Shela".  But I have a
feeling that's just somebody's own interpretation of the name.  Maybe I'll
have to research it a little bit and see what else I can come up with.   My
dear mum gave me a second name of Maureen - so it's Shelagh Maureen - which
I think was a lovely combination.  She was a romantic at heart (except when
you think of the shillelagh).
Shelagh

 
 
 

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Post by DesertRo » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>Kwan/Butyrskaya....   Michelle's piece was lovely,  a complete package.
>Her costume was gorgeous!  The music was nice,  but darn close to a GFB...
>Unfortunately for Maria, she had an "off" day, and was skating like she
>usually skates - jerky, clunky and awkward,  and landing her jumps with a
>"thunk".  I would have much rather seen Yamaguchi and Kwan compete against
>each other.  (Yes, I know - that's not what this competition was about - but
>I'd love to see the judges handle that one)

>All that said,  I enjoyed the broadcast much more than the cheesefest we saw
>last week (Ice Wars)
>Shelagh

I haven't watched the my entire tape yet, I skipped around a bit but from what
I've seen, I preferred the cheesefest...and I'm not even sure why that was a
cheesefest and Hersheys was not.  What was the difference?  People skated
mostly exhibition or pro style programs, some programs were great, some not so
great, there were team scores and one team won.

I was disappointed by both Michelle's and Maria's programs. Maria seemed almost
as exhausted here as Michelle did at Worlds, her skating was off, her posture
was bad (for her), her jumps were wobbly.  The program is well put together but
it was so poorly done tonight I didn't enjoy it.  And Michelle...this was the
most bland and lackluster program I have seen from her since 1995.  Lots of
nice moves put together in the dullest way possible skated to a Boring Pop
Ballad.  I couldn't wait for it to end.  The 6.0s made my eyes pop a bit.  I
don't care how perfect the performance is, for me boring program = not stellar
presentation.  She's got so many great programs in the can, too bad she picked
this one to end the season with.

Surprised me that they spent so much time on Callaghan.  I would rather have
seen more skating.

I missed most of Elvis program because I started taping too late, but the
little I saw was terrific, and I loved the music.  I hope they repeat this
special just so I can get the chance to see the whole thing.

DesertRoaz
www.expage.com/page/desertroaz

Pray for peace

 
 
 

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Post by DesertRo » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>Jocelyn, who can't stand his hair, and by the way, Ilia Kulik's long shaggy
>cuts (a la Grand Prix Final - bleccch!) either.  Give me men with short hair
>any day!!!

There's plenty of 'em.  Let us ladies who like long hair have something to look
at too.

DesertRoaz
www.expage.com/page/desertroaz

Pray for peace

 
 
 

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Post by Operetta » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

> Michelle's piece was lovely,  a complete package.
>Her costume was gorgeous!  The music was nice,  but darn close to a GFB...

This program is gorgeous, especially toward the end where she held out her arms
at the same time the lyrics sang: ".....to hold you one more time.". Then she
turned it into a C***te and the soft slid down split to end it. It's just
perfect. My eyes teared up at the end. No, the music isn't as poetic as Dante's
Prayer, but the choreography and the performance were better, IMO. It's hard to
believe the program is only weeks old.

Jas

 
 
 

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Post by Nonnie » Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>It's the name of a village in east-central Ireland, and also it's the name
>of a cudgel as in "I'll hit you with my shillelagh" (All that info is
>according to my dictionary).

Well, I don't know what a cudgel is, but I do like your name anyways!  I plan
on naming my first daughter Ciara Anne - Ciara from ciar, meaning dark in
Irish, and Anne for Anne (Shirley) of Green Gables.  :-)  Just sharing some
information that no one really cares about, probably!  ( :P trollbait)

Jocelyn, who loves languages!  I know lots of Irish, Spanish, Latin, and some
Russian and German.  Also my own language, Noeva:  caointe tis e'anois = speak
with a smile.  I get confused. :P
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mair do siorai sonas-live for eternal happiness
only when the questions become more important than the answers,
will the solutions emerge
"until we meet again, in my heart is where I hold you, my friend"