Johnny Weir - OMG, what happened at the Nationals?

Johnny Weir - OMG, what happened at the Nationals?

Post by Pidg » Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:12:41


*spoiler, I guess*

Those people that saw him skate his free - did he crash and burn?
His scores are bad.   Man.   Did he fall?   Single a few times?

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Post by mpar.. » Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:23:16

Landed his triple axel shakily and so couldn't do his combo...double
footed his quad...fell on his triple loop.
Just interviewed with Peter C. and he admitted that Evan's brillant
skate and the audience got to him. : (


Quote:
> *spoiler, I guess*

> Those people that saw him skate his free - did he crash and burn?
> His scores are bad.   Man.   Did he fall?   Single a few times?

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Post by Pidg » Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:29:33


Quote:
>Landed his triple axel shakily and so couldn't do his combo...double
>footed his quad...fell on his triple loop.
>Just interviewed with Peter C. and he admitted that Evan's brillant
>skate and the audience got to him. : (

Awwww.   That's really too bad.
I wonder if he really should think about going pro.   Maybe it's time to move
on.

Quote:


>> *spoiler, I guess*

>> Those people that saw him skate his free - did he crash and burn?
>> His scores are bad.   Man.   Did he fall?   Single a few times?

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Post by Dirk » Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:52:49

I think it is time for Johnny to think of going pro too. He suffers
from chronic injuries and needs to take time off to heal. He's a
tremendous original talent and could benefit from the level of
creativity that professionalism would allow. Instead of killing
himself training and attempting quads.

You never know though, he's still pretty young. At this point, his
path is starting to look a little like Tim Goebel's downward trend to
the end.

 
 
 

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Post by Shillelag » Tue, 30 Jan 2007 05:33:32

You can watch it on Youtube here,  it's in an Asian language, I don't know
which one, sorry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqv-lszxO84

I found the program to be lacklustre, the music was awful, Johnny fell once,
and popped an axel.

Shelagh

 
 
 

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Post by jjenniferl.. » Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:45:28


Quote:
> I think it is time for Johnny to think of going pro too. He suffers
> from chronic injuries and needs to take time off to heal. He's a
> tremendous original talent and could benefit from the level of
> creativity that professionalism would allow. Instead of killing
> himself training and attempting quads.

> You never know though, he's still pretty young. At this point, his
> path is starting to look a little like Tim Goebel's downward trend to
> the end.

I think Johnny should stay eligible. He's still young and he has three
years before the next Olympics to get himself together. And from a
fan's perspetive, Johnny vs. Evan is the best rivalry this sport has
right now.
 
 
 

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Post by Pidg » Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:34:19

Quote:

>You can watch it on Youtube here,  it's in an Asian language, I don't know
>which one, sorry:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqv-lszxO84

>I found the program to be lacklustre, the music was awful, Johnny fell once,
>and popped an axel.

>Shelagh

Thanks, Shelagh!

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Post by Pidg » Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:02:17

Quote:


>>You can watch it on Youtube here,  it's in an Asian language, I don't know
>>which one, sorry:

>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqv-lszxO84

>>I found the program to be lacklustre, the music was awful, Johnny fell once,
>>and popped an axel.

>>Shelagh

>Thanks, Shelagh!

Ergh, Evan was a little too smug.   No need to be that happy when someone just
crashed and burned on the ice.    

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Post by Jeanne » Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:39:15

I think Weir's biggest problem is that he started skating too late.

Yes, he was able to learn an axel in a week or so, but lack of
competition at an early age is, imo, what has hurt him. Factor
in a Sasha like mindset and that's a recipe for disaster.

It's all mental.

,

 
 
 

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Post by Shillelag » Wed, 31 Jan 2007 01:17:59


Quote:

> Ergh, Evan was a little too smug.   No need to be that happy when someone
just
> crashed and burned on the ice.

Hmmmmmmmmm - let's be honest here.  If I was in a sport, and just found out
I had won a big competition,  I'd probably be pretty happy too.  The guy has
worked and trained, and now his training has paid off.  I was able to watch
Lysacek's programs on Youtube as well, and even if Weir had skated well, I
don't think he'd have beaten Lysacek.  His jumps were too good, and you
could tell he had "the fire" in his belly.  That's the way Buttle skated
his LP at Canadian Nats and he was fabulous.  FWIW, Buttle has better choreo
in his LP, but no quad.  As much as I like music from Carmen, it never hurts
to use something else.  I just hope neither Lysacek or Buttle peaked at Nats
instead of Worlds, since it could make things interesting.

Shelagh

 
 
 

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Post by Pidg » Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:07:59


Quote:
>I think Weir's biggest problem is that he started skating too late.

>Yes, he was able to learn an axel in a week or so, but lack of
>competition at an early age is, imo, what has hurt him. Factor
>in a Sasha like mindset and that's a recipe for disaster.

>It's all mental.

Yeah, I agree with that, the mindset part.

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Post by Pidg » Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:12:56

Quote:



>> Ergh, Evan was a little too smug.   No need to be that happy when someone
>just
>> crashed and burned on the ice.

>Hmmmmmmmmm - let's be honest here.  If I was in a sport, and just found out
>I had won a big competition,  I'd probably be pretty happy too.  The guy has
>worked and trained, and now his training has paid off.  I was able to watch
>Lysacek's programs on Youtube as well, and even if Weir had skated well, I
>don't think he'd have beaten Lysacek.  His jumps were too good, and you
>could tell he had "the fire" in his belly.  That's the way Buttle skated
>his LP at Canadian Nats and he was fabulous.  FWIW, Buttle has better choreo
>in his LP, but no quad.  As much as I like music from Carmen, it never hurts
>to use something else.  I just hope neither Lysacek or Buttle peaked at Nats
>instead of Worlds, since it could make things interesting.

>Shelagh

Yeah, I can see being happy, but I thought it was unprofessional.
It made me think "Jerkoff."  
I really wish Buttle would shut his mouth when he skates.  
The Worlds should be quite good.

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Post by mades.. » Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:43:29

I agree on all points.  Johnny, talk to Scott.

Quote:

> I think it is time for Johnny to think of going pro too. He suffers
> from chronic injuries and needs to take time off to heal. He's a
> tremendous original talent and could benefit from the level of
> creativity that professionalism would allow. Instead of killing
> himself training and attempting quads.

> You never know though, he's still pretty young. At this point, his
> path is starting to look a little like Tim Goebel's downward trend to
> the end.

Marshall Adesman
"Baseball Spoken Here"
Duke University

 
 
 

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Post by Dirk » Tue, 06 Feb 2007 06:03:54


Quote:

> Ergh, Evan was a little too smug.   No need to be that happy when someone just
> crashed and burned on the ice.    

Since I just saw this on ABC, a week later, I was looking forward to
watching for this. I thought it was going to be that Evan broke out
laughing when Weir blew a jump or something. Instead, it was just a
camera shot where they went from a weeping head-in-hands Johnny,
waiting for his marks, to a shot of Evan, who, OBVIOUSLY, just smiled
because he was still happy from his program, and did what many people
do when they are happy and realize they are on camera. They smile.

It is not like someone died, because Weir missed a few jumps. Evan
probably went on grinning for the rest of the day, in happiness for
having skated the best performance of his life, and having little to
do with Weir's loss. They could have substituted Weir's best long
program, and Evan still would have won. For a few years, I was very
happy for Weir, and he has been one of my favorite skaters, but I
actually liked his skating a few years back more than I do now. This
isn't an important year and he still gets to go to World's. It's not
like he slipped up, and failed to get on the Olympic team. The tragedy
isn't for Johnny, it is for the 4th place finisher, who like Ryan
Bradley, has skated his whole life, but unlike Ryan, doesn't get to go
to his first World's

Many years ago, they did catch a very funny shot of Brian Orser I
think it was, after he skated, as he was watching his competitor, and
the guy fell on a jump, and Brian gave a quick smile of relief. It was
very funny

 
 
 

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Post by Lesl » Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:58:46


(Dirk) said:

Quote:
>they went from a weeping head-in-hands
> Johnny, waiting for his marks, to a shot of
> Evan, who, OBVIOUSLY, just smiled because
> he was still happy from his program, and did
> what many people do when they are happy
> and realize they are on camera. They smile.

I hope this is true because Evan could help revitalize the sport.
I watched the women's free skate yesterday (thank God for an alternative
to Stupor Bowl)
and a girl standing behind Kurt Browning was holding a sign with ESPN as
the first letters of the phrase "Evan's short program nailed it."
Pretty cute.
I thought I caught a glimpse of a schedule saying that the men's skate
would be repeated this weekend (Sun.?) at 11:00PM. Does anyone know
about this? I keep missing it.
TIA