Davis goes Pro-Am

Davis goes Pro-Am

Post by Ellen B. Edgert » Thu, 27 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Someone over on FSW, who apparently spoke to Davis directly, says he has
dropped out of Grand Prix events and is going the Pro-Am route this
season.  
 
 
 

Davis goes Pro-Am

Post by Sandra Loosemor » Thu, 27 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
> Someone over on FSW, who apparently spoke to Davis directly, says he has
> dropped out of Grand Prix events and is going the Pro-Am route this
> season.  

Hmmm, wonder if he still plans to compete at Nationals, and if so,
whether the USFSA will make him qualify through sectionals.  I do not
think he is eligible for an automatic bye since he was not a member of
the World or Olympic teams last season.  If he were doing the Grand
Prix, he'd have gotten a bye because NHK conflicts with sectionals.
IMHO, it would set a bad precedent for the USFSA to start giving
byes to skaters just because they're too busy with commercial
commitments to compete at sectionals.

-Sandra

 
 
 

Davis goes Pro-Am

Post by Louis Epste » Thu, 27 Aug 1998 04:00:00


:
: > Someone over on FSW, who apparently spoke to Davis directly, says he has
: > dropped out of Grand Prix events and is going the Pro-Am route this
: > season.  
:
: Hmmm, wonder if he still plans to compete at Nationals, and if so,
: whether the USFSA will make him qualify through sectionals.  I do not
: think he is eligible for an automatic bye since he was not a member of
: the World or Olympic teams last season.  If he were doing the Grand
: Prix, he'd have gotten a bye because NHK conflicts with sectionals.
: IMHO, it would set a bad precedent for the USFSA to start giving
: byes to skaters just because they're too busy with commercial
: commitments to compete at sectionals.

Seems to me that the USFSA would want to use Pro-Ams to showcase its
world-track skaters,not their predecessors...nothing-but-Pro-Am should
not be deemed a viable career choice for skaters.

 
 
 

Davis goes Pro-Am

Post by j.. » Thu, 27 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


> > Someone over on FSW, who apparently spoke to Davis directly, says he has
> > dropped out of Grand Prix events and is going the Pro-Am route this
> > season.

> Hmmm, wonder if he still plans to compete at Nationals, and if so,
> whether the USFSA will make him qualify through sectionals.  I do not
> think he is eligible for an automatic bye since he was not a member of
> the World or Olympic teams last season.  If he were doing the Grand
> Prix, he'd have gotten a bye because NHK conflicts with sectionals.
> IMHO, it would set a bad precedent for the USFSA to start giving
> byes to skaters just because they're too busy with commercial
> commitments to compete at sectionals.

> -Sandra

I wonder how I'd feel about this if I were an eligable skater and a
possible competitor of Scott's at sectionals.  On the one had, I'd
probably think it would be unfair for the USFSA to give him a bye to
nationals based on his name, fame, and his participation in commercial
events.  On the other had, his getting a bye would mean less
competition for me to get to nationals.  I wonder how many eligables
working their way up the ladder wouldn't be happy to have as many
people as possible get byes, to better their own odds of making it to
naitonals, despite how unwarranted some of those invitations might be.

JEN

 
 
 

Davis goes Pro-Am

Post by Trudi Marrapo » Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:



> > > Someone over on FSW, who apparently spoke to Davis directly, says he has
> > > dropped out of Grand Prix events and is going the Pro-Am route this
> > > season.

> > Hmmm, wonder if he still plans to compete at Nationals, and if so,
> > whether the USFSA will make him qualify through sectionals.  I do not
> > think he is eligible for an automatic bye since he was not a member of
> > the World or Olympic teams last season.  If he were doing the Grand
> > Prix, he'd have gotten a bye because NHK conflicts with sectionals.
> > IMHO, it would set a bad precedent for the USFSA to start giving
> > byes to skaters just because they're too busy with commercial
> > commitments to compete at sectionals.

> > -Sandra

Well, they gave a bye to Brian Boitano in '94, except they called it "he
qualified through his placements at Skate America and a pro-am."

Quote:
> I wonder how I'd feel about this if I were an eligable skater and a
> possible competitor of Scott's at sectionals.  On the one had, I'd
> probably think it would be unfair for the USFSA to give him a bye to
> nationals based on his name, fame, and his participation in commercial
> events.

Although that's just what they did with Boitano.

Quote:
> On the other had, his getting a bye would mean less
> competition for me to get to nationals.  I wonder how many eligables
> working their way up the ladder wouldn't be happy to have as many
> people as possible get byes, to better their own odds of making it to
> naitonals, despite how unwarranted some of those invitations might be.

> JEN

Well, that's what I had to wonder in the Boitano case. Of course, back
then he was the only exception made to the normal qualification route. I
thought "Maybe the guys at Pacific Coasts were just as glad not to have
him there. Maybe one more got to go to nationals because he wasn't
required to qualify." But then again, if the USFSA did that with a LOT of
skaters...and if they did it every season...the number of skaters at
nationals would just keep growing and growing to the point where it would
be like worlds and you'd have to have qualifiers...

Trudi

 
 
 

Davis goes Pro-Am

Post by Sandra Loosemor » Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Well, they gave a bye to Brian Boitano in '94, except they called it "he
> qualified through his placements at Skate America and a pro-am."

At least in that instance, the pro-am in question was a USFSA event
and Boitano competed in it because the USFSA leaned on him to do it;
they wanted to use his name to promote the event.  

But we're now talking about the possibility of skaters being given
byes to Nationals because they're busy doing commercial events that
are not being put on by the USFSA and where the skaters are
essentially appearing as private individuals instead of as
representatives of the USFSA (as is the case at normal international
competitions).  Why should the USFSA make exceptions in these cases?

-Sandra

 
 
 

Davis goes Pro-Am

Post by Louis Epste » Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:00:00


:
: > Well, they gave a bye to Brian Boitano in '94, except they called it "he
: > qualified through his placements at Skate America and a pro-am."
:
: At least in that instance, the pro-am in question was a USFSA event
: and Boitano competed in it because the USFSA leaned on him to do it;
: they wanted to use his name to promote the event.  

While Elaine Zayak,not invited,simultaneously skated a sectional.

 
 
 

Davis goes Pro-Am

Post by Kevin Rushfor » Sat, 29 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:



>> But we're now talking about the possibility of skaters being given
>> byes to Nationals because they're busy doing commercial events that
>> are not being put on by the USFSA and where the skaters are
>> essentially appearing as private individuals instead of as
>> representatives of the USFSA (as is the case at normal international
>> competitions).  Why should the USFSA make exceptions in these cases?
>Well, something tells me they won't...unless there's something in it for
>them. And I guess there is...because of the brave new skating world we
>live in, in which "to them what has is given." In other words, if I'm
>Michelle Kwan and I say, "Look, I got a lot of stuff to do for Disney, so
>do you mind if I just bye into nationals?" the answer may well be "Uh,
>yeah, sure, no problem." Why?

Michelle Kwan, being the defending national champion, does not have to
qualify for nationals through sectionals.  Just as defending sectional
champions do not have to qualify for sectionals through regionals.
However, I agree with you in that they almost certainly wouldn't make
Michelle qualify in any case.

I do agree that they shoudn't make exceptions and grant byes to
Nationals except in those cases already spelled out: defending
champion, injury/illness, or conflicting USFSA or international
competitions.

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