Canadian Women:The Wrong Winner

Canadian Women:The Wrong Winner

Post by Fiona McQuarri » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00


At the risk of setting off major flamage....

Like others here, I was very disappointed that Josee did not win at
Canadians. But after looking at the tapes again, I really think
that either she or Susan Humphreys should have won.

I'm sure Jennifer Robinson is a nice person and she worked hard
to get to the level she is at. But I find her routines incredibly
dull and her choices of music (or whoever's choices they are) awful.
I would NEVER choose a hokey old piece like Hernando's Hideaway if only
for the fact that judges may be sick of it already from doing Canasta
Tango tests.

Her program to me seemed to be mostly filler between jumps, albeit
well executed jumps. And isn't there a rule against "posing" or
staying motionless for a certain length of time during programs?
The opening to her long program is certainly not a "grabber", when  
she simply stands there and wiggles.

I see in her programs the same things that I don't like about Elvis
Stojko's programs - the artistic parts are just there to space
the jumps out. Not surprising given that they are coached by the
same person.

Both Josee and Susan Humphreys had programs that were much more of
a package, where the movements and the music fit together as a
unified whole that was presented with style and grace. Yes,
both of them fell down, but in the "big picture" I think both of
them gave better performances, in the artistic sense, than did
Robinson. My only problem with Humphreys was that it was last
year's program (although she did do it better than last year :) ).

I'm not going to argue that there would be strategic reasons
(i.e. higher placings) for sending either Chouinard or Humphreys
to worlds, instead of Robinson. I don't like that way of thinking
about the sport....but I would sooner see either of them go because
they are better skaters, IMHO.

Cheers, Fiona

 
 
 

Canadian Women:The Wrong Winner

Post by Rachel Seig » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

I was also disappointed that Chouinard didn't win, but Robinson did
complete more of her jumps cleanly then did either of the other two.
I haVe never been nuts about Humphrey's style, so I won't say I wish
she had won, but as much as we favour a skater (judges included) they
have to give the spot to the one who skated the best.  Friday night it
happened to be Jennifer Robinson.

Perhaps next year Josee will get it together and win.  She really is
the best female skater we have.

Rachel
There is no truer truth obtainable by man than comes of music
Robert Browning

 
 
 

Canadian Women:The Wrong Winner

Post by Fiona McQuarr » Wed, 14 Feb 1996 04:00:00

: I was also disappointed that Chouinard didn't win, but Robinson did
: complete more of her jumps cleanly then did either of the other two.
: I haVe never been nuts about Humphrey's style, so I won't say I wish
: she had won, but as much as we favour a skater (judges included) they
: have to give the spot to the one who skated the best.  Friday night it
: happened to be Jennifer Robinson.

DId you read my original post?
The point I was making was that maybe Robinson landed more jumps, but
IMHO both Chouinard and Humphries had a better overall presentation - more
grace, more style, and *much* better choreography. Despite CTV's best
efforts to convince us to the contrary, competitive skating is much more
than landing jumps.

Cheers, Fiona

 
 
 

Canadian Women:The Wrong Winner

Post by Bill MacGillivra » Wed, 14 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>: I was also disappointed that Chouinard didn't win, but Robinson did
>: complete more of her jumps cleanly then did either of the other two.
>: I haVe never been nuts about Humphrey's style, so I won't say I wish
>: she had won, but as much as we favour a skater (judges included) they
>: have to give the spot to the one who skated the best.  Friday night it
>: happened to be Jennifer Robinson.

>DId you read my original post?
>The point I was making was that maybe Robinson landed more jumps, but
>IMHO both Chouinard and Humphries had a better overall presentation - more
>grace, more style, and *much* better choreography. Despite CTV's best
>efforts to convince us to the contrary, competitive skating is much more
>than landing jumps.

 For what it's worth, I doubt if the on-ice performance had that
much to do with it. Robinson and Chouinard skated basically equivalent
performances: both fell a lot, with Robinson landing more jumps and
Chouinard obviously the more fluid and graceful of the two. It pretty
much balances out.
 My point is fairly predictable, but I'll try to make it anyway. It
seems pretty clear that the CFSA simply decided that Chouinard has
had her chances and failed to deliver for them. They've had it with
her tendency to ***in big international meets, and decided to pass
the mantle on to Robinson, to see what someone else can do. Now, it
doesn't seem like she's ready to make an impact internationally this
year, as she needs to develop some of the "pure" skating ability that
Chouinard has, but she needs this experience.
 So in essence, the Brass took the opportunity offered by Chouinard's
bad performance to give her the boot! It's really sad that Chouinard
always had such bad luck, as she obviously is the most talented female
skater Canada has had in a long time.

Bill MacGillivray
UNB Fredericton

 
 
 

Canadian Women:The Wrong Winner

Post by Jody Frederi » Wed, 14 Feb 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>>: I haVe never been nuts about Humphrey's style, so I won't say I wish
>>: she had won,

I thought Susan's long program was superior to that of Josee's.  Josee's
long program left me cold and uninterested.  I MUCH preferred her "American in
Paris" routine.  Therefore, I thought Humphreys should have been 2nd in the
long, behind Robinson simply because of the technical superiority of
Robinson's program.

I was really pulling for Susan Humphreys.  She strikes me as a skater
who's been down on her luck for some time. In one of the athlete profiles,
she talked about her break-up with former coach, Christy Ness.  It sounded
like a very bitter split (I was surprised to hear Susan talk about it with
such frankness and honesty), and I'm sure that Susan's ego was
shattered by this experience.  And she has a nagging back injury.  Sigh.

Quote:
> My point is fairly predictable, but I'll try to make it anyway. It
>seems pretty clear that the CFSA simply decided that Chouinard has
>had her chances and failed to deliver for them. They've had it with
>her tendency to ***in big international meets, and decided to pass
>the mantle on to Robinson, to see what someone else can do.

Did any of the other skaters in the women's event strike you as "up and
comers"?   I loved Nancy Lemieux's short program--it had grace, it had
flow, it had feeling.  And Jana Kim Batka had a lot of energy (but very
little grace or polish--I believe she finished 11th overall).  I thought Cathy
Belanger's jumping style was very poor (Barb Underhill referred to it as an
extreme wrapped free leg).  

Quote:
> So in essence, the Brass took the opportunity offered by Chouinard's
>bad performance to give her the boot! It's really sad that Chouinard
>always had such bad luck, as she obviously is the most talented female
>skater Canada has had in a long time.

I agree.  Josee has done a lot of women's figure skating in Canada.  But,
sadly, her inability to put it all together when it counts must be very
frustrating.