Please someone teach me SLALOM!

Please someone teach me SLALOM!

Post by Emil » Sun, 12 Aug 2001 04:58:25


It's very annoying, I can't slalom.

I don't need to be cool on cones, I just want to steer left and right
withOUT losing speed.

A friend of mine, beginner as I am, can do quick and short right-left turns
AND gain speed.
I don't. :-(

I also feel that if I skate in a round skatepark (that is, a circle of
smooth concrete) in a clockwise way, I fell MUCH more comfortable than doing
it counterclockwise. Maybe my left foot is weaker and tends to lose
stability?

So, please, could someone tell me how to gain speed and do nice, stilish
turns?

Thanks.
An Italian Inline Skater

 
 
 

Please someone teach me SLALOM!

Post by Trol » Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:46:14

Sideways Tricks

Getting your hips to turn out properly to do sideways maneuvers requires
differing levels of stress depending on your personal anatomy. Some people
can do this almost naturally & some will never be able to, no matter how
hard they try. It only took me a couple weeks of practice & stretching to
work up to a sidesurf; in the meantime, I had a couple of skate sessions
which ended with my left knee feeling wrenched because I was twisting it
rather than my hip joint. But after a year of skating sideways, I had a
famous speedskater ask me for any tips I could give him on sidesurfing
because he had been trying to learn it for months & was getting nowhere.

If you had some ballet lessons in your youth, or perhaps were/are very in to
ice figure skating, the path to learning a sidesurf may go smoothly. If not,
then some stretching exercises may help. One that I thought helped me is
this: Lie on your back on the floor or in bed and try to place your legs in
a frog-like position. Turn your hips out & bend your knees so that the soles
of your feet are up against each other. Now try moving your feet inward
(towards your body). The further in you can move them while keeping your
knees as close to the floor/bed as possible, the further your hips should be
turning out. This can be pretty boring if you keep at it for long, but it is
also something you can do while you watch TV or read a book.

Sidesurf (Sideways Monoline)
This is probably the simplest of the sideways slalom tricks (I know of a
couple people who seem to think an independent is easier) & almost always
the first sideways trick that is learned. I accidentally started working on
it back in the days when I was trying to learn how to T-stop & was somehow
ending up skating sideways rather than braking. Once I figured how to keep
going in a straight line rather than going into a spiral, I was well on my
way to learning the trick.

Sidesurfing can be done with grace, or not. For the cleanest looking surf,
you need to stand as erect as possible & use your legs & hips to control
your direction of travel. However, due to the anatomy problems mentioned
above, a posture which looks more like the skater was caught in the middle
of sitting down is probably more common. Shifting weight in your upper body
(i.e., pumping your arms back & forth) is a standard method for controlling
direction of travel when surfing, but it makes the trick look like more work
& thus is not quite so pretty. However, this does allow you to put some
speed into it & you can actually sidesurf uphill with it after a fair amount
of practice.

Wave
The wave is most easily explained as something intermediary between a
sidesurf & an independent. The basic motion is like a sidesurf, as the body
follows a sine wave path down the course, but skates are slightly offset so
that the cones pass between them. Moreover, the legs are in a sense also
crossed at every other cone, like an independent.

(www.mysportguru.com - sourced - this aint me talkin) hope it helps

 
 
 

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Post by nr:XII » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 03:11:33

Hi Emily,

You could try and take a look at www.inlineslalom.nl its a Dutch site but
they give a lot of tips on different slalom tricks.

Good luck :-)

DennisT


Quote:
> It's very annoying, I can't slalom.

> I don't need to be cool on cones, I just want to steer left and right
> withOUT losing speed.

> A friend of mine, beginner as I am, can do quick and short right-left
turns
> AND gain speed.
> I don't. :-(

> I also feel that if I skate in a round skatepark (that is, a circle of
> smooth concrete) in a clockwise way, I fell MUCH more comfortable than
doing
> it counterclockwise. Maybe my left foot is weaker and tends to lose
> stability?

> So, please, could someone tell me how to gain speed and do nice, stilish
> turns?

> Thanks.
> An Italian Inline Skater


 
 
 

Please someone teach me SLALOM!

Post by SquAdTiR » Tue, 14 Aug 2001 02:41:06

 I got a tip for you. Give up, it will save you the embarassment when you one
day realize how retarded you look on those pansy boots.

<< Subject: Please someone teach me SLALOM!

Date: Fri, Aug 10, 2001 3:58 PM

It's very annoying, I can't slalom.

I don't need to be cool on cones, I just want to steer left and right
withOUT losing speed.

A friend of mine, beginner as I am, can do quick and short right-left turns
AND gain speed.
I don't. :-(

I also feel that if I skate in a round skatepark (that is, a circle of
smooth concrete) in a clockwise way, I fell MUCH more comfortable than doing
it counterclockwise. Maybe my left foot is weaker and tends to lose
stability?

So, please, could someone tell me how to gain speed and do nice, stilish
turns?

Thanks.
An Italian Inline Skater
 >>

 
 
 

Please someone teach me SLALOM!

Post by Robert Har » Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:12:05

i want to slalom, i had a go, what's this sideways, sidesurf thang, can i do
it in my skates, or is it summing you fitness lot do?


Quote:

>  I got a tip for you. Give up, it will save you the embarassment when you
one
> day realize how retarded you look on those pansy boots.

> << Subject: Please someone teach me SLALOM!

> Date: Fri, Aug 10, 2001 3:58 PM

> It's very annoying, I can't slalom.

> I don't need to be cool on cones, I just want to steer left and right
> withOUT losing speed.

> A friend of mine, beginner as I am, can do quick and short right-left
turns
> AND gain speed.
> I don't. :-(

> I also feel that if I skate in a round skatepark (that is, a circle of
> smooth concrete) in a clockwise way, I fell MUCH more comfortable than
doing
> it counterclockwise. Maybe my left foot is weaker and tends to lose
> stability?

> So, please, could someone tell me how to gain speed and do nice, stilish
> turns?

> Thanks.
> An Italian Inline Skater

 
 
 

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Post by Robert Har » Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:20:41

forget that last message i just read what troll said, cheers troll


Quote:
> i want to slalom, i had a go, what's this sideways, sidesurf thang, can i
do
> it in my skates, or is it summing you fitness lot do?



> >  I got a tip for you. Give up, it will save you the embarassment when
you
> one
> > day realize how retarded you look on those pansy boots.

> > << Subject: Please someone teach me SLALOM!

> > Date: Fri, Aug 10, 2001 3:58 PM

> > It's very annoying, I can't slalom.

> > I don't need to be cool on cones, I just want to steer left and right
> > withOUT losing speed.

> > A friend of mine, beginner as I am, can do quick and short right-left
> turns
> > AND gain speed.
> > I don't. :-(

> > I also feel that if I skate in a round skatepark (that is, a circle of
> > smooth concrete) in a clockwise way, I fell MUCH more comfortable than
> doing
> > it counterclockwise. Maybe my left foot is weaker and tends to lose
> > stability?

> > So, please, could someone tell me how to gain speed and do nice, stilish
> > turns?

> > Thanks.
> > An Italian Inline Skater

 
 
 

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Post by Motorbla » Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:35:36

<< I got a tip for you. Give up, it will save you the embarassment when you one
day realize how retarded you look on those pansy boots. >>

Maybe you should realize how retarded you look waving your idiot tongue, Why
waste your time with comments if we are such wastes of flesh. Go to your
skateboard newsgroup if you even skate .
"fritz"
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Birdy(Parker), Brazil(Gilliam),and Brewster McCloud(Altman)
the finest feathered triple bill

 
 
 

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Post by LShapin » Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:52:36

Quote:

>It's very annoying, I can't slalom.
>I don't need to be cool on cones, I just want to steer left and right
>withOUT losing speed.
>A friend of mine, beginner as I am, can do quick and short right-left turns
>AND gain speed.  <snip>
>An Italian Inline Skater

No kidding?  I would envision slaloming done like skiers, downhill.
LShaping
 
 
 

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Post by Bill Fuhrman » Mon, 20 Aug 2001 02:43:20

Emily wrote ...

Quote:
> It's very annoying, I can't slalom.

> I don't need to be cool on cones, I just want to steer left and right
> withOUT losing speed.

> A friend of mine, beginner as I am, can do quick and short right-left
turns
> AND gain speed.
> I don't. :-(

It is also probably very annoying that no one took you seriously and gave a
reasonable answer.

I hope that this helps.

The basic slalom move is done with both feet side by side similar to skiing.
The keys to doing it are:
   Keeping your body and joints loose so that you flow with the moves.
   Keeping your knees bent and push with your heels (same as with skating in
general)
   Using your knees and hips to steer through the cones.  They do most of
the motion with your upper body staying relatively still.

Bending your knees between turns and extending them as you push out with
your heels is your source of power to keep or increase your speed.

It may help your learning to practice if you try to get the motion down
before trying to do it between every cone.
Try it on a trail or between every other cone at first.  When you get a feel
for the motion, it will become much more fluid and you will be able to
shorten up the length of your turns.

You may be standing too straight and just trying to steer through the turns
rather than getting low and pushing your feet through them.

Quote:
> I also feel that if I skate in a round skatepark (that is, a circle of
> smooth concrete) in a clockwise way, I fell MUCH more comfortable than
doing
> it counterclockwise. Maybe my left foot is weaker and tends to lose
> stability?

Almost everyone has a stronger side.  Mine is definitely my right.  If I am
doing a parallel turn, I do it much better to the right where the right foot
leads and does most of the work.  If I am doing crossovers (which I do not
do much of), left is better since the right foot needs to do the more
coordinated work.  The only way to even them up is to force yourself to use
the weak side more often.
 
 
 

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Post by LShapi » Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:30:21

Quote:

> The basic slalom move is done with both feet side by side similar to skiing.
> Bending your knees between turns and extending them as you push out with
> your heels is your source of power to keep or increase your speed.

That sounds truly amazing to me.  Unless a person jumps from one side
to the other, I cannot imagine how anyone could maintain or pick up
speed slaloming on a flat surface.  Perhaps that skill is for elite
skaters.
 
 
 

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Post by Gordon Sande » Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:54:45


Quote:

>That sounds truly amazing to me.  Unless a person jumps from one side
>to the other, I cannot imagine how anyone could maintain or pick up
>speed slaloming on a flat surface.  Perhaps that skill is for elite
>skaters.

Have you ever thought about taking a lesson???  There are a number of great
instructors in Houston.  Geoff Roberts from Sun and Ski comes to mind first.
Or when you are in Dallas next we could get together for a lesson.

And it really is not that hard to do.

Gordon Sanders
National Examiner Instructor Certification Program / Level II / Master Fitness
(L3) / IISA
Top-Spin Inline Skate School <--- A Salomon Sponsored School
214-537-7774

to respond.... please remove my wheels....   :-)

 
 
 

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Post by Frank Prindl » Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:16:06

Actually, depending on when in the turns you push, you can use a slalom to slow
down, speed up, or maintain speed. A few years ago, I was out skating Mission
Bay in San Diego (flat as a pancake, unlike the rest of San Diego), and there's
this gal on skates pushing a baby carriage, constant speed, just slaloming down
the path - I had to learn that, and soon did; and I'm hardly an elite skater,
just a 54yo kid. It's a hell of a workout too.
Sincerely,
Frank Prindle
Quote:


>> The basic slalom move is done with both feet side by side similar to skiing.
>> Bending your knees between turns and extending them as you push out with
>> your heels is your source of power to keep or increase your speed.

>That sounds truly amazing to me.  Unless a person jumps from one side
>to the other, I cannot imagine how anyone could maintain or pick up
>speed slaloming on a flat surface.  Perhaps that skill is for elite
>skaters.

 
 
 

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Post by Matthew T. Russot » Thu, 23 Aug 2001 02:29:20


Quote:


}
}> The basic slalom move is done with both feet side by side similar to skiing.
}> Bending your knees between turns and extending them as you push out with
}> your heels is your source of power to keep or increase your speed.
}
}That sounds truly amazing to me.  Unless a person jumps from one side
}to the other, I cannot imagine how anyone could maintain or pick up
}speed slaloming on a flat surface.  Perhaps that skill is for elite
}skaters.

It's a matter of timing.  You have to make sure you're pushing when
the push is in the direction of motion.
 
 
 

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Post by Motorbla » Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:27:09


Quote:

>That sounds truly amazing to me.  Unless a person jumps from one side
>to the other, I cannot imagine how anyone could maintain or pick up
>speed slaloming on a flat surface.  Perhaps that skill is for elite
>skaters.

It is a somewhat advanced skill. Some people have a hard time slaloming on a
hill or anywhere. My wife  has never achieved slalom despite 8 yrs of marriage
to a IISA instructor. It seems to be a knack that is harder for some to
achieve. The push in slalom on a flat surface seems to arise from a slightly
tucked position and some push that starts at the hips  and extends to the feet.
Its like shushing or doing moguls on skis (in a way) or like throwing a wake on
water skis(in a way) .

Have you ever thought about taking a lesson???  There are a number of great
instructors in Houston.  Geoff Roberts from Sun and Ski comes to mind first.
Or when you are in Dallas next we could get together for a lesson.

And it really is not that hard to do.

HEY Gordon don't forget about old Fritz Blaw down here in Austin TX
(512)323-5457

I have been teaching here for 10 years

Gordon Sanders
 >>

"fritz"
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HREF="http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2001-05-11/xtra_featu
re4.html">The Austin Chronicle Features: A Life on Wheels</A>
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Birdy(Parker), Brazil(Gilliam),and Brewster McCloud(Altman)
the finest feathered triple bill

 
 
 

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Post by Bill Fuhrman » Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:03:10

Quote:
LShaping) writes:
> >That sounds truly amazing to me.  Unless a person jumps from one side
> >to the other, I cannot imagine how anyone could maintain or pick up
> >speed slaloming on a flat surface.  Perhaps that skill is for elite
> >skaters.

No jumping (the skates never leave the ground) needed.
Shows how little you have skated and though about what you are doing.
Think about what you do when you stride (assuming that you have progressed
beyond the beginner's "push backward" walking stride).

It is very easy to turn the movement of the outside leg of each curve into
the part of a power stroke.
It is a little bit harder to get the feel for pushing with both legs and
getting the balance going so that both legs can be on the same side of your
body.  This is a dynamic balance.  If you get in this position while still,
you wil fall over.  The forces of turning and the momentum of your body
motion are what keep you up.

Start with small long curves (this is why I suggested that the person not
try it with cones at first).  Keep your feet both on the ground and just
glide (power comes after you learn the motion) and turn by leaning slightly
into the turns.

As you improve, start to bend your hips and knees so that you can make the
curves farther from the center line.

To turn the curves into power strokes, all you need to do is lower your self
when you are centered and active force your legs extended in the curves.

Motorblade wrote ...

Quote:

> It is a somewhat advanced skill. Some people have a hard time slaloming on
a
> hill or anywhere. My wife  has never achieved slalom despite 8 yrs of
marriage
> to a IISA instructor. It seems to be a knack that is harder for some to

Having the timing and skill to slalom around cones takes a fair amount of
skill.
Just slaloming down a trail or road is very easy.  Much easier than a spin
stop or grass stop.
Adding a single leg power stroke to it is also very easy.  Adding the 2nd
leg to the power requires that you develop the dynamic balance of the slalom
much better.