San Jose US Pros? Pro/Am? Am/Pro?

San Jose US Pros? Pro/Am? Am/Pro?

Post by Sk8do » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00


    Well, I just came from the Candid Productions web site.  For those
to whom that name is not familiar, it is the production company that is
putting together The Competition Formerly Known As The US Pro
Championships.  What it will be called going forward is anyone's guess.
    Four of the five men involved in the competition have been
announced.  They are Browning, Galindo, Kulik and Eldredge.  Two
legitimate pros and two fence sitters.  My question is, what separates
the pros from the eligibles now?  With the Button-sponsored competitions
getting the blessing of Cinquanta, who is behaving like the world's
biggest pimp, there seems to be little differentiation.
    My heart goes out to skaters like Tara, Surya, Philippe and Zag.
They had the intestinal fortitude to make a commitment.  Now,  because
of certain skaters who were expected to declare as pros not having done
so, the ISU hangs them out to dry by extending it's sanctimonious
blessing to a number of events formerly reserved for the pros. To Todd,
Michelle, Ilia, et al, I extend the virtual equivalent of razzberries.
It looks like the inmates are really running the asylum.

Larry

 
 
 

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Post by Ellen B. Edgert » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00

:     My heart goes out to skaters like Tara, Surya, Philippe and Zag.
: They had the intestinal fortitude to make a commitment.  Now,  because
: of certain skaters who were expected to declare as pros not having done
: so,

Awwwww!  Todd, Michelle and Ilya didn't want to skate for Mike Burg!  The
traitors!  No fair!

: the ISU hangs them out to dry by extending it's sanctimonious
: blessing to a number of events formerly reserved for the pros. To Todd,
: Michelle, Ilia, et al, I extend the virtual equivalent of razzberries.
: It looks like the inmates are really running the asylum.

 
 
 

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Post by PegLew » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>   My heart goes out to skaters like Tara, Surya, Philippe and Zag.
>They had the intestinal fortitude to make a commitment.  Now,  because
>of certain skaters who were expected to declare as pros not having done
>so, the ISU hangs them out to dry by extending it's sanctimonious
>blessing to a number of events formerly reserved for the pros.

Look, if *I* knew there was going to be a new eligible pro track this year,
then Tara, Surya, Philippe and Zaggy should have known about it, too.
Particularly Tara, who was close to Todd for a little over two years. Three of
them tour together, for heaven's sake. (It seems obvious that Surya and
Philippe had their fill of the French Federation and made the jump to the pros
so they could finally skate in peace.) They all could have made the same
decision to stay eligible, but they chose to give that up. That's their
decisions, and they get to live with it. That does not make the other skaters
anything other than smart for covering their asses under the rules until they
know precisely what the new eligible pro track has to offer.

Personally, I think less of those who gave up their eligibility simply because
I prefer standardized rules for a real sport, and that's what the eligible
track has provided to date, but I also respect their decisions to make the
decision that is right for them even if I don't care for the track they've
chosen. It's an attitude I highly recommend.

Peg


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Post by TCAX » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>My heart goes out to skaters like Tara, Surya, Philippe and Zag.  They had the

intestinal fortitude to make a commitment.  Now,  because of certain skaters
who were expected to declare as pros not having done so, the ISU hangs them out
to dry by extending it's sanctimonious blessing to a number of events formerly
reserved for the pros. To Todd, Michelle, Ilia, et al, I extend the virtual
equivalent of razzberries.
**************
Well, most people turn pro for their own personal reasons. (Tara to spend more
time with her family, etc)  And certainly Todd, Michelle, Ilia, etc, don't
write the rules. I do admit they are in an enviable position in that there is
the POSSIBLE scenario of participating in several pro-ams, touring, and
foregoing GP assignments and thus a less rigorous competitive season while
still retaining their eligibility and perhaps another run at Salt Lake. (We
still don't know if they will be allowed to do it this way or if they can stay
"sharp" with this approach) Plus, who's to say they all didn't know that this
new arrangement between the ISU and the pro competitions wasn't in the works?
Certainly I find it hard to believe that Todd, Michelle, Ilia weren't
approached beforehand about all this, otherwise, which "stars" could the ISU
offer Button?  (Todd had certainly hinted for months about new possiblities in
eligible skating, and has made some rather vague and ambiguous statements the
last few months about his status.  I'm intrigued by whether Surya, Zaggy, or
Philippe, in a sense, lesser "stars", were approached by the ISU about their
planned arrangement with the pros. As to Tara, I just think she wanted out.

But yes, I feel that Surya to a small extent, might be getting the shaft.
After literally flipping the ISU off, she may still have to deal with their
judging if she gets invited to some of the bigger name pro competitions.
TCAXEL

 
 
 

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Post by Sandra Loosemor » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Look, if *I* knew there was going to be a new eligible pro track
> this year, then Tara, Surya, Philippe and Zaggy should have known
> about it, too.  [...]  (It seems obvious that Surya and Philippe had
> their fill of the French Federation and made the jump to the pros so
> they could finally skate in peace.) They all could have made the
> same decision to stay eligible, but they chose to give that
> up. That's their decisions, and they get to live with it. [...]

I agree.  I would also add that in the case of Zaggy as well as Surya
and Philippe, these are skaters who were around for a *long* time as
eligibles, who realistically had little chance of improving on their
past results by continuing to compete, and who no doubt felt it was time
to move on with their lives and careers.

Tara, OTOH -- it may be hard to top an Olympic gold medal, but I think
she still had a lot of potential as an eligible competitor that we
will never see now.  Watching her in the Mike Burg cheese-fest last
spring, I kept thinking "the best skater in the world thought it was
worth giving up her eligibility to do *this*?!?"  It makes me sad.
I think that she may come to regret this hasty decision.  

-Sandra

 
 
 

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Post by Morr » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>> Look, if *I* knew there was going to be a new eligible pro track  this year,

then Tara, Surya, Philippe and Zaggy should have known  about it, too.

Each  one of these skaters was informed of the new developlements and each was
urged not to give up their eligibility. There were many telephnone calls and
exchanges of Faxes on the subject.  Some were told by promoters that they had
nothing to worry about they would be reinstated.  That is not a current
possibility.  They made their choice for their own reasons but it is done.  You
can feel sorry for them if you wish but others heeded the advice.

 
 
 

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Post by Revjoel » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Peg:

Quote:
>> Look, if *I* knew there was going to be a new eligible pro track
>> this year, then Tara, Surya, Philippe and Zaggy should have known

Sandra:

Quote:
>Tara, OTOH -- it may be hard to top an Olympic gold medal, but I think
>she still had a lot of potential as an eligible competitor that we
>will never see now.  Watching her in the Mike Burg cheese-fest last
>spring, I kept thinking "the best skater in the world thought it was
>worth giving up her eligibility to do *this*?!?"  It makes me sad.
>I think that she may come to regret this hasty decision.

I have to agree and I think any agent in the business should have seen this
coming and advised Tara not to do anything hasty like that sacrificing her
eligibility for that stupid Skate TV.  If she was tired of the grind of the
eligible schedule--it turns out there were lots of other options that both Todd
and Michelle are taking advantage of.

Combine that mistake with keeping Tara from competing against Michelle or out
of any of the new ISU type   pro-ams is really going to hurt her career and
"tarnish" her reputation a whole lot more than losing one of these new comps to
Michelle Kwan.  

Joelle
"Whoever you like is the best skater in the world."
Scott Hamilton

 
 
 

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Post by TCAX » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Some were told by promoters that they had
nothing to worry about they would be reinstated.  That is not a current
possibility.  They made their choice for their own reasons but it is done
*********************
Hmmm.....I wonder if among the promoters was a certain agent assuring his
client that reinstating would be a piece of cake.
TCAXEL  

 
 
 

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Post by Bertie Woost » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00

San Jose:    US Pros? Pro/Am?

Peg Lewis  "  Look if "I" knew there  was going to be a new eligible pro
track this year, then Tara, Surya, Philippe and Zaggy  should have known
about  it, too."

Me -   agree with Peg on this one.  I  heard that the ISU was going to
introduce some sort of new eligible pro track   back in March  &   I'm
usually the last person on the face of the earth to find out about these
type of  things.

 
 
 

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Post by Trudi Marrapo » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00


[snip]

Quote:
> But yes, I feel that Surya to a small extent, might be getting the shaft.
> After literally flipping the ISU off, she may still have to deal with their
> judging if she gets invited to some of the bigger name pro competitions.
> TCAXEL

It's always wise not to burn your bridges.

Trudi

 
 
 

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Post by rnarc.. » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

> Peg:

> >> Look, if *I* knew there was going to be a new eligible pro track
> >> this year, then Tara, Surya, Philippe and Zaggy should have known

> Sandra:

> >Tara, OTOH -- it may be hard to top an Olympic gold medal, but I think
> >she still had a lot of potential as an eligible competitor that we
> >will never see now.  Watching her in the Mike Burg cheese-fest last
> >spring, I kept thinking "the best skater in the world thought it was
> >worth giving up her eligibility to do *this*?!?"  It makes me sad.
> >I think that she may come to regret this hasty decision.

> I have to agree and I think any agent in the business should have seen this
> coming and advised Tara not to do anything hasty like that sacrificing her
> eligibility for that stupid Skate TV.  If she was tired of the grind of the
> eligible schedule--it turns out there were lots of other options that both
> Todd and Michelle are taking advantage of.

> Combine that mistake with keeping Tara from competing against Michelle or out
> of any of the new ISU type   pro-ams is really going to hurt her career and
> "tarnish" her reputation a whole lot more than losing one of these new comps
> to Michelle Kwan.

I think so too.  If Tara were to compete against Michelle now and lose, she
would likely receive some 'sympathy' along the lines of, "well Michelle is
still an eligible, so it is understandable that Tara's skating is not at
quite as high a level as Michelle's right now" ... As it is, Tara's team has
left her open to "chicken" criticisms.        Whatever happened to her "I know I
can do anything" attitude?

Ronald

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Post by LFer6884 » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00

<<Tara, OTOH -- it may be hard to top an Olympic gold medal, but I think
she still had a lot of potential as an eligible competitor that we will never
see now.  Watching her in the Mike Burg cheese-fest last spring, I kept
thinking "the best skater in the world thought it was worth giving up her
eligibility to do *this*?!?"  It makes me sad. I think that she may come to
regret this hasty decision.>>

Well, I wouldn't feel too bad for her just yet.  I think Tara is soon going to
realize that she was a bit too hasty in going pro.  She is going to miss the
limelight, especially when the new season begins. I suspect she will want to
return to the eligible ranks.

Rules or no rules, I have no doubt that if Tara wanted to return, somehow,
someway, the "skating gods" that be, will find a way to let her back in.  The
Michelle/Tara rivalry is still alive and well, and a definite ratings grabber.
Heck, Tara herself is a ratings grabbe., The love/hate relationship figure
skating fans have with her in itself is enough of a draw.  People who don't
even like her tune in just to find the latest greatest horrible thing she has
done, so they can run back to these boards and comment about it.

And so it goes.....where there are ratings, there is money, and when there is
money involved,  the heavens seem to open up, and lo and behold, the skating
gods appear, and miracles abound...
Lora.

 
 
 

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Post by Patti Cassali » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>     Well, I just came from the Candid Productions web site.  For those
> to whom that name is not familiar, it is the production company that is
> putting together The Competition Formerly Known As The US Pro
> Championships.  What it will be called going forward is anyone's guess.

Can anyone tell me what the URL is for Candid Productions?

Patti

 
 
 

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Post by Suzanne Lainso » Wed, 19 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Tara, OTOH -- it may be hard to top an Olympic gold medal, but I think

> she still had a lot of potential as an eligible competitor that we
> will never see now.  Watching her in the Mike Burg cheese-fest last
> spring, I kept thinking "the best skater in the world thought it was
> worth giving up her eligibility to do *this*?!?"  It makes me sad.
> I think that she may come to regret this hasty decision.

Burg and CBS seem to have signed her to an exclusive deal, so I'm not
sure how many competitions other than Burg's she was going to be free to
do anyway.

Suzanne

 
 
 

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Post by PegLew » Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Can anyone tell me what the URL is for Candid Productions?

I'm reading this offline, so it may have already been answered. If so, sorry.

Candid Productions Incorporated
http://www.candidproductions.com/index.htm

Peg


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