Bont Samarai Ceramic Bearings vs. SINSystems Gold Ceramic Bearings

Bont Samarai Ceramic Bearings vs. SINSystems Gold Ceramic Bearings

Post by Denny Metcal » Tue, 04 Jun 2002 07:50:31


Good day all...

Does anyone have experiance with the Bont Samarai bearings?  They have a 14
ball configuration as opposed to 7,8, or 9, or their 11 ball baby bonts.
They come in ABEC 5 and Ceramic, are 50 percent lighter than 608s and will
fit in any 608 wheel or frame, unlike 688.  Unfortunetly they are over 200
US dollars.

I was interested in them, but am unsure about their worth.  I am currently
using a Verducci frame that will not accept 688 bearings due to the hubs on
the frame.  However, I don't mind shaving then down.  I was originally going
to buy the Bont 688 Ceramic 11-ball Baby Bonts for about 130 US dollars.

Another bearings I was interested in was the SINSystems Gold Ceramic, which
are about 60 US dollars.  However, I have heard some negative things about
these bearings concerning lockups.  The price is very appealing though.

I skate in ideal indoor skating conditions, on a polished hardwood floor.

Please share your input.
Thanks a lot.
Denny Metcalf

 
 
 

Bont Samarai Ceramic Bearings vs. SINSystems Gold Ceramic Bearings

Post by Denny Metcal » Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:23:34

Actually Ross,

This is kinda embarassing.
I am currently using K2 Mod 8 with a Verducci XR 12.8 Frame.
I got the skate at a Outlet store for $129.95
lol.  Please don't laugh too hard.

Quote:
> They are certainly expensive, but I am sure they are of very good
> quality.  I saw them at my local skate shop.  They have a funky spacer
> system which allows them to be put in any standard wheel hub.  They
> looked very precise.

Were you refering to the Bont Samarai Ceramics?
Does the spacer go on the outer side of the bearing?
How much were they at the skate shop?

Quote:
> Which Verducci frame are you using?  I don't know of
> a frame that doesn't accept a 688 bearing.  I've used 688s on my
> Shockwave without any problems.

I heard that I could actually grind down on the square hubs and make them
circular.
That way they don't interfere with the sides of the 688 Minis.

Denny Metcalf


Quote:

> > I was interested in them, but am unsure about their worth.  I am
currently
> > using a Verducci frame that will not accept 688 bearings due to the hubs
on
> > the frame.  However, I don't mind shaving then down.  I was originally
going
> > to buy the Bont 688 Ceramic 11-ball Baby Bonts for about 130 US dollars.

> They are certainly expensive, but I am sure they are of very good
> quality.  I saw them at my local skate shop.  They have a funky spacer
> system which allows them to be put in any standard wheel hub.  They
> looked very precise. Which Verducci frame are you using?  I don't know of
> a frame that doesn't accept a 688 bearing.  I've used 688s on my
> Shockwave without any problems.  I'd recommend BSB swiss or NTN Formula -
> they'll last for years and still spin smooth..  The minis from BSB or
> Primo/NINJA are also good.  Don't believe all the voodoo about bearings.

> RS

> --
> Ross Snowden D.

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Bont Samarai Ceramic Bearings vs. SINSystems Gold Ceramic Bearings

Post by Denny Metcal » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 09:49:25

Quote:
> No need to grind down the frame spacers.  You shouldn't have any problems
> with the mini bearings.  You don't want too much slop between the bearing
> and frame.

Are you sure about 688s being compatible with the Verducci XR?
I'll check it out.  I hope it works.

Quote:
> The Bont Samarai cost about ?100 to ?110 (Euro) in Germany, or about
> ?5,50 each for the steel version.  The ceramic version costs about ?14,--

Hmmm...
What's the Euro > USD conversion rate?

Quote:
> I don't know about the K2 boots - at any rate, I didn't laugh (it was
> more like crying) ;-)

Thanks.  A lot.  (sarcasm)  ;(
It is kinda sad whe you think about it though.
lol.  Bulky boots and a heavy frame.  Poor me...

Man, this news group seems really dead.
Less than 10 posts a day.
If even that.

Denny M.


Quote:


> > I heard that I could actually grind down on the square hubs and make
them
> > circular.
> > That way they don't interfere with the sides of the 688 Minis.

> No need to grind down the frame spacers.  You shouldn't have any problems
> with the mini bearings.  You don't want too much slop between the bearing
> and frame.

> The Bont Samarai cost about ?100 to ?110 (Euro) in Germany, or about
> ?5,50 each for the steel version.  The ceramic version costs about ?14,--
> The funky spacer system fits into the middle of the bearing where the
> axle fits - this has the function of making the hole for the axle 8mm -
> the inner spacer fis into this special adapter.  I believe the adapter
> was made from a very hard plastic - it looked very convincing, but I
> haven't had a chance to skate with them.

> I don't know about the K2 boots - at any rate, I didn't laugh (it was
> more like crying) ;-)

> RS

> --
> Ross Snowden D.

> Public Key available


 
 
 

Bont Samarai Ceramic Bearings vs. SINSystems Gold Ceramic Bearings

Post by B Fuhrman » Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:23:04

Quote:

> > I heard that I could actually grind down on the square hubs and make
them
> > circular.
> > That way they don't interfere with the sides of the 688 Minis.

"Ross Snowden"  wrote

Quote:
> No need to grind down the frame spacers.  You shouldn't have any problems
> with the mini bearings.  You don't want too much slop between the bearing
> and frame.

Huh?

If the frames are of the old design (2-3 year old designs) with SQUARE
spacer pads, it is very likely that they need to be trimmed to accept the
688 bearings.  The corners of the older pads are far enough from the axle
center to hit the outer race of the bearings.
Can't blame the manufacturer's for leaving the corners there when they
worked well will the bearings in use at the time.
For an extruded frame with integral spacer pads, it is significantly cheaper
in the milling process to leave the corners there since it takes extra
milling passes to cut the angles on the corners.

Cutting off the corners will have absolutely nothing to do with "slop
between the bearings and frames"  The only part of the pad that has any
effect on that is the ring just around the axle hole that contacts the inner
race of the bearing.  Any material outside that ring shaped area is just a
tiny amount of dead weight.

Since Denny commented that the frames have SQUARE pads, it is most likely
that the corners will need to be cut down.  This would be a very easy job
with a Dremel like tool or with a small file.