Q - Landover the "best" and others "nothing"?

Q - Landover the "best" and others "nothing"?

Post by Yoriko Ir » Sun, 26 Jan 1997 04:00:00


In Landover competition, Roz kept saying "This is the first pro
competition for Katia." and "The first for Rudy."  But I remember I have
seen them compete in a pro competition before.
What does this mean?  Is Landover something special?  I know it is the
oldest and the most prestageous, though.  Or was the one I saw Katia and
Rudy compete not admitted by pro association?

Thanks

--
************************************************************
 From Yoriko Irie
      Carlson School of Management, University of Minnesota

      English & Japanese available
************************************************************

 
 
 

Q - Landover the "best" and others "nothing"?

Post by Sandra Loosemor » Sun, 26 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> In Landover competition, Roz kept saying "This is the first pro
> competition for Katia." and "The first for Rudy."  But I remember I have
> seen them compete in a pro competition before.
> What does this mean?  Is Landover something special?  I know it is the
> oldest and the most prestageous, though.  Or was the one I saw Katia and
> Rudy compete not admitted by pro association?

Uh, *what* "pro association"?  It's a free-for-all out there, with the
promoters and skaters all trying to snap up as much money as they can.

I don't remember Roz claiming that this was the first pro competition for
either Katia or Rudy.  I think she said that this was the first time Katia
had done Landover as a singles skater, and that it was the first time Rudy
had landed a triple axel in a pro competition.

-Sandra

 
 
 

Q - Landover the "best" and others "nothing"?

Post by Kathleen Bratt » Sun, 26 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Yes, I think she just said it was Rudy's first trip to Landover (and, as
Sandra said, Katia's first trip as a singles skater -- Ros mentioned that
she and Sergei had won last year.)

-- kate


Quote:

> > In Landover competition, Roz kept saying "This is the first pro
> > competition for Katia." and "The first for Rudy."  But I remember I have
> > seen them compete in a pro competition before.
> > What does this mean?  Is Landover something special?  I know it is the
> > oldest and the most prestageous, though.  Or was the one I saw Katia and
> > Rudy compete not admitted by pro association?
> Uh, *what* "pro association"?  It's a free-for-all out there, with the
> promoters and skaters all trying to snap up as much money as they can.
> I don't remember Roz claiming that this was the first pro competition for
> either Katia or Rudy.  I think she said that this was the first time Katia
> had done Landover as a singles skater, and that it was the first time Rudy
> had landed a triple axel in a pro competition.
> -Sandra


 
 
 

Q - Landover the "best" and others "nothing"?

Post by Krskat » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Hey there,

Because TV  hardly ever shows Pro competitions/events even remotely close
to when they actually occurred, it is quite possible it was Katia's and
Rudi's first competition (although I don't think it was).  Most of these
pro events are within weeks of each other.  The Landover competition
actually took place in December.

The TV special "Too Hot Too Skate" that aired a couple of weeks ago
actually took place in Vegas the second week of October.

 
 
 

Q - Landover the "best" and others "nothing"?

Post by Erin Lynne Cochra » Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> In Landover competition, Roz kept saying "This is the first pro
> competition for Katia." and "The first for Rudy."  But I remember I have
> seen them compete in a pro competition before.
> What does this mean?  Is Landover something special?  I know it is the
> oldest and the most prestageous, though.  Or was the one I saw Katia and
> Rudy compete not admitted by pro association?

> Thanks

> --
> ************************************************************
>  From Yoriko Irie
>       Carlson School of Management, University of Minnesota

>       English & Japanese available
> ************************************************************

Well, I don't know, but every year it seems the NBC commentators do their
best to make Landover out to be "the best" and the others "nothing."
 
 
 

Q - Landover the "best" and others "nothing"?

Post by Onewho2 » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> In Landover competition, Roz kept saying "This is the first pro
> competition for Katia." and "The first for Rudy."  But I remember I have
> seen them compete in a pro competition before.
> What does this mean?  Is Landover something special?  I know it is the
> oldest and the most prestageous, though.  Or was the one I saw Katia and
> Rudy compete not admitted by pro association?

> Thanks

I think this had to do with delayed broadcast.  The weekend or two before
the Landover broadcast I heard someone say (on another skating broadcast)
that Rudy had won (?) a pro competition.  So Landover was his first, we
just weren't seeing it first.

2ter

 
 
 

Q - Landover the "best" and others "nothing"?

Post by revjoe.. » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
(Onewho2ts) writes:
>I think this had to do with delayed broadcast.  The weekend or two before
>the Landover broadcast I heard someone say (on another skating broadcast)
>that Rudy had won (?) a pro competition.  So Landover was his first, we
>just weren't seeing it first.

Landover was not Rudy's first.  He was in the US Professional
Championships on ABC held in October.

Joelle

The main problem is not differences in points of view;
it is the emotional reaction to the differences.
Michael Nichols

 
 
 

Q - Landover the "best" and others "nothing"?

Post by Marilyn Bra » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

2ter wrote

"I think this had to do with delayed broadcast.  The weekend or two
before
the Landover broadcast I heard someone say (on another skating
broadcast)
that Rudy had won (?) a pro competition.  So Landover was his first, we
just weren't seeing it first."

2ter

Rudy competed at a pro competition in Albany end of October.  It was
shown on ABC in November. He finished last and did not skate well at all.
Landover was taped in mid-December. Rudy won the Nutrasweet competition
held in Austria. The tape was recently shown on ABC, but I'm not sure if
it was actually taped before or after Landover. His main competition at
that was Vicktor Petrenko. He did "On Golden Pond" and landed a triple
axel (a bit wobbly, though), a triple loop, a triple toe and a double
axel.  Beautiful spins.*** Button congratulated him for his improvement
since Albany.

If you saw "Elvis on Ice" he did the same program, but with a double axel
instead of a triple at the beginning of the program, and the triple toe
loop in comination with a double toe loop.

 
 
 

Q - Landover the "best" and others "nothing"?

Post by Regina Pac » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Rudy won the Nutrasweet competition
> held in Austria. The tape was recently shown on ABC, but I'm not sure if
> it was actually taped before or after Landover. His main competition at
> that was Vicktor Petrenko. He did "On Golden Pond" and landed a triple
> axel (a bit wobbly, though), a triple loop, a triple toe and a double
> axel.  Beautiful spins.*** Button congratulated him for his improvement
> since Albany.

I believe the Nutrasweet competition in Austria was held only 4 or 5
days after Landover.  Talk about a marathon for both Rudy and Viktor!  
Rudy also faced competition in Austria from Jozef Sabovcik, who actually
finished above Viktor Petrenko to take second place behind Rudy.  Even
though I'm a big fan of Jozef's, I was so happy to see Rudy win the
event -- I guess I'm a sucker for underdogs.  And personally, I'm always
happy to see a new face in the mix at professional competitions.

Gina

 
 
 

Q - Landover the "best" and others "nothing"?

Post by Kathleen Bratt » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

No, tell us how you *really* feel.   :)

Actually, I don't mind Ros's commentary, but I must admit she has *strong*
opinions.  The silver lining to the cloud, perhaps, is that she does seem
to usually know what she's talking about -- even if her habit of assuming
that she knows the motivations and emotions of each skater can get
somewhat old.

Quote:


> > In Landover competition, Roz kept saying "This is the first pro
> > competition for Katia." and "The first for Rudy."  But I remember I have
> > seen them compete in a pro competition before.
> I don't know.  All I know is that by the end of the show I really
> HATED Roz!  
> I didn't recognize her voice right off, and I kept on lamenting, "Why
> doesn't that woman SHUT UP and let the skaters SKATE?"  When I saw it
> was Roz I was appalled that a fellow ice skater would drone on and on
> and on so stupidly during the programs.

I wonder if NBC (it was NBC, right?) actually gives them pretty set ideas
for their commentary?  When Tom Hammond asked Ros if Rudy was up to
competing with these folks, I thought, gosh they had to have set that up
before hand -- i.e., Tom asks Ros if Rudy can compete at this level, and
Ros of course says yes.  I noticed a lot of that -- Tom asks Ros a
question, and Ros (clearly the more expert) answers.

Quote:
> She kept on harping about how hard it was for Katia, and you know, I'm
> just FED UP with the harping over Sergei's death.  WE ALL KNOW Sergei
> died.  WE ALL KNOW it's difficult for Katia to move on.  And all of this
> stupid harping on the fact is really just a waste of time!  
> I think it's unfair to Katia to constantly compare her skating to her
> skating with Sergei.  Roz kept on butting in during Katia's beautiful
> artistic competition to remind us that her now dead husband wasn't on
> the ice with her.  And even to mention how great they were at the
> Olympics, as if to subtly imply that Katia's skating now is subpar.

Well, I'm beginning to agree.  I mentioned to my husband during all this
that the time will certainly come -- even if we're not quite there yet --
when *perhaps* Katia would like to skate *without* the ever-present
identity of widowhood.  Everything's so recent, perhaps she doesn't mind
at all the constant mentions of Sergei -- perhaps, in fact, she
appreciates it.  But I hope that if she *does* grow weary of it -- or,
say, if she decides to find a new (skating or romantic) partner -- that
the media can move on as well.

A recent sports article made an interesting comparison of Katia to
Jaqueline Kennedy.  The tragic widow, carrying on bravely, carving a new
life for herself -- mind you, I think that description fits Katia to a T,
and she should be tremendously proud of the example of grace and beauty
she has set for her daughter.  But I think the media should be careful to
not identify her *only* as such.  That is, while I understand why the
media currently focuses on Sergei (and I assume that's with the blessing
of Katia), I hope the commentary next year, or the year after, doesn't
have to focus so much on her loss.

-- kate

Quote:
> Roz did nothing, it seemed, but yammer mindlessly like some *** about
> how hard it was for Katia to skate without her husband, as if even the
> most casual skate fan didn't know about all of this.  
> I officially loathe, abhor and despise Roz after listening to her do
> commentary on this program.  If I never hear her voice again I will be
> happy.  I found myself wishing Scott Hamilton had done the commentary.
> Roz's input was a total WASTE.
> Flame away if you will, I will not hate her commentary any less.
> Cat

 
 
 

Q - Landover the "best" and others "nothing"?

Post by Marge Tisch » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00

The actual Landover competition was held on December 14.  The Challenge
in Austria was held on December 19.  

Landover is considered the "best" or most legitimate pro competition
because it is the first and has been around the longest.  It's not a pro
competition that has just been created in the last two years for TV.

Marge