what exactly am I jumping off of?

what exactly am I jumping off of?

Post by twizz.. » Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:00:00


I'm just learning toe loops and I'm wondering....am I supposed to be
vaulting off the toe pick, or off of the RBO edge, or both?  I've
gotten a number of different opinions on this so now I'm pretty
confused.

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what exactly am I jumping off of?

Post by Isiaf » Sun, 24 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>I'm just learning toe loops and I'm wondering....am I supposed to be
>vaulting off the toe pick, or off of the RBO edge, or both?  I've
>gotten a number of different opinions on this so now I'm pretty
>confused.

The toe pick of the back foot and the RBO edge both at the same time, I
believe.  Also, if you point your backfoot it should provide you with more
height supposedly.  Have fun, I like toe loops.

Sling Skate

 
 
 

what exactly am I jumping off of?

Post by HILL JANET SW » Sun, 24 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>I'm just learning toe loops and I'm wondering....am I supposed to be
>vaulting off the toe pick, or off of the RBO edge, or both?  I've
>gotten a number of different opinions on this so now I'm pretty
>confused.

You "vault" off the toepick, but you TAKE OFF of the edge.  Your weight
should be mainly over the edge on the takeoff.  You must push up/off the
edge.  The toepick serves as a mechanism for stopping your travel along
the ice, and helping to translate your travel into "airborne".   As in a
polevault, the vaulter runs along the ground, and then puts the pole in
the hole and leaps upward.  the pole prevents the vaulter from moving any
closer to the pit on the ground, and translates the vaulter's path of
travel upward on an arc.  

At this point, the analogy breaks down, because at the very top  of a very
high pole vault, the vaulter actually makes a final push against the pole,
inverting himself on the pole, and pushing upward.   By this time in the
jump, the skater is completely off the ice, so there is nothing to push
against.

        janet

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what exactly am I jumping off of?

Post by Annabel Smyt » Sun, 24 Oct 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>>I'm just learning toe loops and I'm wondering....am I supposed to be
>>vaulting off the toe pick, or off of the RBO edge, or both?  I've
>>gotten a number of different opinions on this so now I'm pretty
>>confused.

>The toe pick of the back foot and the RBO edge both at the same time, I
>believe.  Also, if you point your backfoot it should provide you with more
>height supposedly.  Have fun, I like toe loops.

You're the only person I know who does like them, then!  Oh, except
perhaps my husband, and I wouldn't swear that he likes them!  They
are wildly unpopular at our rink.

Since you like them, could you talk those of us who don't like
them/can't do them/can't "get" them through exactly what we
should be doing.  Please?
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Post by Jeanne DeCarol » Sun, 24 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>You're the only person I know who does like them, then!

<<<(toe loops)>>>

I like them too!  This was the second jump I learned two
years ago, and I'm still trying to get it right.  There seem
to be various stages to learning jumps. The thing about
the toe loop that's similar to the salchow is the waltz
kick, which is hard to do, and hard to explain.

After stepping onto a right forward inside edge and
doing the 3-turn, your left leg picks in and you jump.
The hard part is keeping the right leg straight, sort of
like a waltz jump.  It's pretty when done right.  I find
it difficult to straighten out my right leg after I come
off the pick, maybe I need more height on this one.

Quote:
>Since you like them, could you talk those of us who don't like
>them/can't do them/can't "get" them through exactly what we
>should be doing.  Please?

Well, technically it's something like this, a RFI 3-turn,
check, toe-pick, jump, land on RBO edge - hold.!  
I'm still working on mine after two years, so give them
some time - when I was first learning the jump my instructor
emphasized keeping the free leg straight and controlled
when I did the RFI3.  And the check, the check is important!

Jeanne

 
 
 

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Post by Isiaf » Sun, 24 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>You're the only person I know who does like them, then!

If I ever do a triple jump, the first will be a triple toe loop, I'm sure.

Sling Skate

 
 
 

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Post by Vinc » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00

The difficult part of the toe loop for me, is getting the jump and the rotation
in the correct order.  If I try to do it the right way, I can jump up, but I
can't do the rotation.  The way I can do it (which isn't right, I know but I'm
trying to fix it) is to rotate off the toe pick then jump and land.

Is there something I can do to correct this and put the rotation in after the
jump??

Thanks,
Vince.

 
 
 

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Post by HILL JANET SW » Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>The difficult part of the toe loop for me, is getting the jump and the rotation
>in the correct order.  If I try to do it the right way, I can jump up, but I
>can't do the rotation.  The way I can do it (which isn't right, I know but I'm
>trying to fix it) is to rotate off the toe pick then jump and land.

>Is there something I can do to correct this and put the rotation in after the
>jump??

Yes.  CHECK IT.   If you are entering this jump from a FI3, CHECK THE
THREE.  If you are a CCW jumper, this means that your L hand should be in
front of you after the 3 turn.  Now, WATCH YOUR HAND.  Keep it right out
there in front of you, and keep focusing on it while you pick and takeoff.
THEN, at the moment of takeoff, bring the L hand in to your chest, while
you bring your R hand/shoulder forward.

        janet
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Post by Isiaf » Tue, 26 Oct 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>>The difficult part of the toe loop

>Yes.  CHECK IT.   If you are entering this jump from a FI3, CHECK THE
>THREE.  If you are a CCW jumper, this means that your L hand should be in
>front of you after the 3 turn.  Now, WATCH YOUR HAND.

I would second the above.  I had problems with rotation on the toe loop when
first learning it.  My instructor told me to put my left arm forward and right
arm to the side forming a kind of L.  This instantly solved all of my problems.

Sling Skate