The Mike Pike ???

The Mike Pike ???

Post by Kaij » Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:30:39


Quote:

> >Kerrigan's mistake was not to name and trademark the move before Mike
> >could come along and claim it for himself.  He's not even as good at
> >it.  Kerrigan at least does it while moving backwards.

> hey ..... backwards is EASIER.   (really).

Not when it leads into a triple lutz...

Kaiju

--

Context is everything...

nemo me impune lacessit

 
 
 

The Mike Pike ???

Post by Kaij » Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:13:34

Quote:

> >Subject: Re: The Mike Pike ???

> >Date: 3/25/2002 11:31 PM Pacific Standard Time

> >> but could someone
> >>> explain what the "Mike Pike" is?  I know it has something to do with
> >>Michael
> >>> Weiss, and is probably quite funny, but I haven't a clue what it is!

> >>Mike is probably counting on people not having a clue what it is.  Har!
> >>It is the old "Shoot The Duck" that all 5 year old skaters do, except
> >>Mike thinks it is fresh and new because he's still doing it 20 years
> >>later.

> >>Kaiju

> >>Context is everything...

> >************************
> >Dang, Kaiju, you mean Kerrigan was doing the Mike Pike before it was cool?

> >Well, actually Kaiju, another apt comparison would be your siglines.
> >Apparently, like a "shoot the duck", posters pirate them and rename them.
> >;O)

> >Of course, I'm just speaking "cynically" and within a "Context, Frame of
> >reference,etc is everything" scenario.

> >theo

> Did Kaiju have her sigline before I had mine?   I didn't even notice it until
> now!

I've had it for at least five years now.

Quote:
> Either it's a wild coincidence or it seeped into my subconscious mind and
> flashed into my mind, differently worded, one day.

Uh-huh.  Yarite.  Har.

Quote:
> Well, I'm keepin' it anyway...

> DesertRoaz
> Frame of reference is everything.

Well, Theo, the promise is moot.

Kaiju <he's all mine...mwaahaaahaaaaa!!!!!>

--

Context is everything...

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The Mike Pike ???

Post by Trudi Marrapo » Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:00:11

Quote:



> > >But didn't she do it into a jump?

> > >>Joelle

> > >Yup. Into a Lutz.

> > I was thinking it was a lutz...but then I was thinking nah...that's too
> hard...

> It was a double lutz. Done before the 2nd triple was added to the short. I
> remember Kristi did her 2-flip with her hand over her head. I thought both
> were cool variations.

> Teri

Brian Orser also did his 2 flip with his hand over his head (back in the
days when the men did solo double jumps in the short program). He
continued to do it that way into his pro career, too.
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Trudi
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The Mike Pike ???

Post by Jean » Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:06:22

<< > Not quite.   Weiss appears to be referring to a
 modified shoot the duck, in which the skater is not "***to heel", but higher
on the skating leg >>

Yep. Mike's pike is stylized - and it's much harder than a regular low shoot
the duck where the skater sits on his/her boot for leverage. I agree - Mike's
position requires strength, and it's a cool move done by a loose dude! Love the
Mike Pike.

Jeanne

 
 
 

The Mike Pike ???

Post by Joel » Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:35:34

Quote:

>> It was a double lutz. Done before the 2nd triple was added to the short. I
>> remember Kristi did her 2-flip with her hand over her head. I thought both
>> were cool variations.

>Brian Orser also did his 2 flip with his hand over his head (back in the
>days when the men did solo double jumps in the short program). He
>continued to do it that way into his pro career, too.

I was watching the 96-97 Champions series and I had forgotten about Irina
Slutskya's double axel with her arm over her head.  When did she stop that?

Joelle
If you want to make God laugh, tell him what you are doing tomorrow
Father Mike

 
 
 

The Mike Pike ???

Post by janet swan hi » Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:24:43

Quote:
>> >Kerrigan's mistake was not to name and trademark the move before Mike
>> >could come along and claim it for himself.  He's not even as good at
>> >it.  Kerrigan at least does it while moving backwards.

>> hey ..... backwards is EASIER.   (really).

>Not when it leads into a triple lutz...

>Kaiju

>Context is everything...

I cite your sigline:   Context is everything.    We were discussing shoot the
ducks, not jump entries.  Back shoot the ducks are easier than forward ones.

That said, thanks for bringing up one of Kerrigan's all time nifty moves -- the
back shoot the duck entry to a lutz.    I was also pretty fond of the
alternating back lunges.

janet

 
 
 

The Mike Pike ???

Post by TCAX » Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:02:58

Quote:
>>Context is everything...

>I cite your sigline:   Context is everything.    We were discussing shoot the

ducks, not jump entries.  Back shoot the ducks are easier than forward ones.
**************************
But in the "context" of a whole program, or a series of moves, I think a back
shoot the duck leading into a double or triple jump is harder than a forward
shoot the duck by itself.

Geez, I'm even confusing myself so I better exit....................

Theo

Sort of like a speadeagle leading into a jump (ala Peggy Flemings' SE into a
2axel)

Quote:
>That said, thanks for bringing up one of Kerrigan's all time nifty moves --
>the
>back shoot the duck entry to a lutz.    I was also pretty fond of the
>alternating back lunges.

>janet

"As long as you have the mental game down, your techniques are solid,
physically all you need is just your body to be there with you." -Venus
Williams
 
 
 

The Mike Pike ???

Post by Joel » Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:31:31

Quote:
>It's funny how easy it is to forget moves skaters used to do but then
>stopped doing--like Michelle Kwan deliberately landing double axels with
>that bent knee and that really long landing edge.

She quit that about the same time she started having trouble with the axel -
which was 96-97.  I think there was a growth spurt and wasn't that alos when
seh was having trouble with her boots?  Peg would know.

Joelle
If you want to make God laugh, tell him what you are doing tomorrow
Father Mike

 
 
 

The Mike Pike ???

Post by Locutus of Bo » Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:38:44

Quote:
>Joelle
>>It's funny how easy it is to forget moves skaters used to do but then
>>stopped doing--like Michelle Kwan deliberately landing double axels with
>>that bent knee and that really long landing edge.

>She quit that about the same time she started having trouble with the axel -
>which was 96-97.  I think there was a growth spurt and wasn't that alos when
>seh was having trouble with her boots?  Peg would know.

All true. It's interesting... amalgamating all the public information, Carroll
reportedly began changing her jump technique just before she had her growth
spurt. It's unclear to outside observers whether the Axel trouble happened
because of the technique change or the growth spurt (the technique was reported
to be pre-emptive to allow her to land the jump *after* the growth spurt), or
because the boots just never made her feel comfortable jumping in them, or
because she was experiencing foot pain in that takeoff foot (as a precursor to
the stress fracture diagnosis in the summer).

Peg
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Post by Trudi Marrapo » Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:04:24

[snip]

Quote:
> I remember at the Goodwill Games a loooong time ago (95?), Maria B. did a
> back (outside?) spiral into a double axel. The change of direction & edge
> going into the jump was really interesting & difficult. I never saw her try
> it again.

> I think that was the first time*** Button had ever seen Maria skate. As I
> recall, he was rather impressed with her (I think she finished 3rd), far
> nicer & complimentary than he's been in recent years.

> Teri

Would've been '94. Hmm. Now I want to get THAT tape out again!
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Trudi
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