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Post by Kat » Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:21:00


Although I think it's been on tv everywhere, just in case....
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For the first time ever, I caught myself actually enjoying -- without
any nitpicking at all -- a Cohen program.  Happened right in the
middle of it.  I was shocked when I realized this.  :)  Seriously, it
was nice, particularly after the men's programs (which weren't quite
the debacle of last year, but still uncomfortably close to that --
what the heck is going on?) to see so many good women's programs.
Kirk, Kwan, Cohen, Corwin -- happy happy happy as Laurie would say.

(Discussion of scores follows) -- I don't quite see how anyone could
have given Kwan higher scores than Cohen but (shrug) I guess better
edging goes a long way.  And Kwan's spiral is better, IMO.  But
overall, I thought Cohen looked really secure out there -- the edges
seemed better than usual, the jumps looked really nice, the footwork
looked more difficult (to me, anyway).  I wonder about the coaching
change -- it's possible that maybe Cohen needs just more positiveness,
more support.  And goodness knows Wagner seems nurturing and
supportive.  It might be that Cohen's main problem is not being a
headstrong diva, but being too *** herself, focusing too much on
the end result rather than the process.  Wagner might be able to snap
her out of that.  (Thinking positively, here).  At any rate, Cohen
seemed like her head was in a good place, and I hope that's the case.
And this has got to be a confidence builder.

Kwan was good, certainly, given that she's not competed in some time.
She did not seem relaxed, though -- of course, that too could be due
to the long break.  (And I guess few of these skaters are really
relaxed -- though some might appear that way).  But more than usual,
she seemed really explicitly determined to get through the program.
(Of course, the music sort of lends itself to that sort of
expression).

I was really very pleased for Kirk, Corwin, and Nikodinov.  And what a
nice happy dance Corwin did at the end of her program.  :) And, though
I generally don't notice how skaters look -- I don't even notice much
about costumes (though Cohen's short program costume is indeed
dreadful) -- let me just say that I think Kirk just lights up the ice,
both in her skating and her appearance.  A few years back, she was
just incredibly consistent....and I'm glad to see her getting back on
track.

The commentating was unusually good, I thought.  But what the heck was
*** babbling on about someone's heart -- and how attractive she was?
But other than that, all the commentators seemed unusually specific
about identifying the strengths and weaknesses of the programs.

The men's -- well, I miss Todd Eldredge.  That's all I can think to
say, in sum.  So many of these skaters are so interesting, and have
such great potential -- and absolutely no consistency.  And what's the
deal with Goebel?  I don't skate much, so I'm pretty clueless about
boots, but according to the commentators, it would be really unlikely
that it would take 13 boot changes to find a boot that works....that
something else has to be going on.  But what could it be?  Can a
skater just lose it like that, in such a relatively short period of
time?  Has there been other similar cases in the past?

-- Kate

 
 
 

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Post by Ellen Arnol » Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:09:33



And what's the deal with Goebel?  I don't skate much, so I'm pretty clueless
about boots, but according to the commentators, it would be really unlikely
that it would take 13 boot changes to find a boot that works....that
something else has to be going on.  But what could it be?  Can a skater just
lose it like that, in such a relatively short period of time?  Has there
been other similar cases in the past?

Quote:

> -- Kate

As I watched Goebel tonight two words came to my mind: David Duval. For
those of you who don't follow golf, Duval is a young(ish) lad who was, for a
while, right up there with Tiger Woods and Ernie Els but then inexplicably
fell off a cliff. He had a solid amateur and pro career and was the number
one golfer in the world for about a year before he crashed and burned for no
apparent reason. From being at the top of the golf world just two years ago
he's now totally off the radar.

The talk of Goebel going through 13 pairs of boots this season sent up a red
flag for me. When good golfers go bad, they tend to (a) fire their coach
and/or caddie; (b) change, and change, and change, their equipment; (c)
totally deconstruct and rebuild their swing, usually to no good end. This
sounds like what Tim is going through right now. He looked absolutely
shell-shocked even before he started his SP, and desolate in the K&C
afterwards. The lack of communication and negative body language between him
and Carroll was sad to see.

I hope he can regain his joy and his confidence in his skating, because I
have a hunch that's what he needs in order to regain his proficiency.

Ellen

 
 
 

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Post by Cmqu » Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:17:45

'The talk of Goebel going through 13 pairs of boots this season sent up a red
flag for me. When good golfers go bad, they tend to (a) fire their coach
and/or caddie; (b) change, and change, and change, their equipment; (c)
totally deconstruct and rebuild their swing, usually to no good end. This
sounds like what Tim is going through right now. He looked absolutely
shell-shocked even before he started his SP, and desolate in the K&C
afterwards. The lack of communication and negative body language between him
and Carroll was sad to see."

I'm not a big fan of Goebel's skating but he's always been able to do the
jumps, and seeing him perform worse than a novice made me cringe.  Seeing his
eyes get bright with what looked like woebegone tears made me feel terrible.
He's always seemed like a genuinely lovely person, and seeing someone once
touted as the next big thing implode really broke my heart.  I hope he finds
what he needs to pull himself together.

 
 
 

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Post by Kathryn Reind » Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:27:19


Quote:
> Although I think it's been on tv everywhere, just in case....
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> For the first time ever, I caught myself actually enjoying -- without
> any nitpicking at all -- a Cohen program.  Happened right in the
> middle of it.  I was shocked when I realized this.  :)

Hee. Same here. I thought she seemed relaxed and focused and, for the first
time in years, truly confident and not over-eager. It was the best I've seen
her skate.

 Seriously, it

Quote:
> was nice, particularly after the men's programs (which weren't quite
> the debacle of last year, but still uncomfortably close to that --
> what the heck is going on?) to see so many good women's programs.
> Kirk, Kwan, Cohen, Corwin -- happy happy happy as Laurie would say.

At least someone was skating well! Men's last year seemed worse. But this
wasn't pretty, with the exceptions of Weir and Savoie.

Quote:
> (Discussion of scores follows) -- I don't quite see how anyone could
> have given Kwan higher scores than Cohen but (shrug) I guess better
> edging goes a long way.  And Kwan's spiral is better, IMO.  But
> overall, I thought Cohen looked really secure out there -- the edges
> seemed better than usual, the jumps looked really nice, the footwork
> looked more difficult (to me, anyway).

She wasn't reaching for the moon, which she tends to do. I still don't get a
great feel of warmth from her, but she got closer to joy this time, which is
nice to see. As for the scores, I thought Sasha should have been in first
but WOW, was she overscored! I mean, she skated fairly early and what the
judges were telling Michelle was, you're going to have to skate one of your
magical programs to even be competitive here. That seemed a little much to
me. That said, for the first time, I thought Sasha should have been in
first.

I can't believe I wrote that.

As for the edges, her spirals seem more secure, and did she leave out the
stupid SashaSkid? Seemed like she did. Jump-wise, though, she does NOT have
better technique than Michelle -- her flutz was more pronounced than ever
(of course, that means she's finally on an edge. Heh), and the slo-mo of her
flip showed a HUUUGE s-curve going in, instead of a beautiful inside edge.
Really wobbly. I think her jump landings were more secure than usual, but I
dearly wish she had some softness there. Maybe Robin can help her with that.

I wonder about the coaching

Quote:
> change -- it's possible that maybe Cohen needs just more positiveness,
> more support.  And goodness knows Wagner seems nurturing and
> supportive.  It might be that Cohen's main problem is not being a
> headstrong diva, but being too *** herself, focusing too much on
> the end result rather than the process.  Wagner might be able to snap
> her out of that.  (Thinking positively, here).  At any rate, Cohen
> seemed like her head was in a good place, and I hope that's the case.
> And this has got to be a confidence builder.

Same here. Seemed to be just what she needed. Maybe being with a coach who
doesn't have an army of skaters is a good thing for her. It seemed
originally, when she went to Tarasova, that it would be good for her to be
practicing with great skaters but maybe it made her reach for something
outside of herself. She competed against everyone but herself, and that led
to mistakes. She certainly seemed more settled this time, and she and Robin
have a good rapport. Who knew Sasha Cohen needed to be nurtured???

Quote:
> Kwan was good, certainly, given that she's not competed in some time.
> She did not seem relaxed, though -- of course, that too could be due
> to the long break.  (And I guess few of these skaters are really
> relaxed -- though some might appear that way).  But more than usual,
> she seemed really explicitly determined to get through the program.
> (Of course, the music sort of lends itself to that sort of
> expression).

I thought she seemed a bit tight, too, and determined, catching up to the
program at times instead of mastering it. In person, though, her ice
coverage, edging and quality of skating is SO impressive, even when she
makes mistakes. Her movements go with the music, whatever the tempo. I'd
love to see Sasha pick this up.

Quote:
> I was really very pleased for Kirk, Corwin, and Nikodinov.  And what a
> nice happy dance Corwin did at the end of her program.  :) And, though
> I generally don't notice how skaters look -- I don't even notice much
> about costumes (though Cohen's short program costume is indeed
> dreadful) -- let me just say that I think Kirk just lights up the ice,
> both in her skating and her appearance.  A few years back, she was
> just incredibly consistent....and I'm glad to see her getting back on
> track.

WOW, was she lovely! And the crowd adored her! I loved seeing that. A
wonderful program for her. And Angela... thank God!!! Hopefully she can just
stay steady for the long program. Ann-Patrice seems to have Sasha's
problem -- she isn't enjoying herself, or doesn't seem to be. Jenny's the
total opposite. She is really blossoming.

Quote:
> The commentating was unusually good, I thought.  But what the heck was
>*** babbling on about someone's heart -- and how attractive she was?
> But other than that, all the commentators seemed unusually specific
> about identifying the strengths and weaknesses of the programs.

At one point*** made me scream at him and I blocked out when it was. But
it was some icky comment like that. I just wish they'd stop talking about
Sasha's superior technique when all the mean is flexibility and how straight
her back is. I mean, that's fine, she's certainly got both going for her,
but superior technique indicates a mastery of edging as well as well pointed
feet and she isn't there yet.

Quote:
> The men's -- well, I miss Todd Eldredge.  That's all I can think to
> say, in sum.  So many of these skaters are so interesting, and have
> such great potential -- and absolutely no consistency.

You had to go and mention Todd!!!

Quote:
> And what's the
> deal with Goebel?  I don't skate much, so I'm pretty clueless about
> boots, but according to the commentators, it would be really unlikely
> that it would take 13 boot changes to find a boot that works....that
> something else has to be going on.  But what could it be?  Can a
> skater just lose it like that, in such a relatively short period of
> time?  Has there been other similar cases in the past?

Seems to me that he had boot problems, they caused other problems, and he is
fixed on thinking that he still has boot problems. Boots and blades that
don't fit correctly don't just affect the jumps, they affect everything
else, too. He isn't tripping all over himself in the footwork or spins.
Seems like it has to be mental at this point. I felt really bad for him. And
is it evil to be happy that Weiss isn't in the top three?
 
 
 

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Post by john » Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:29:15

Quote:
> (Discussion of scores follows) -- I don't quite see how anyone could
> have given Kwan higher scores than Cohen but (shrug) I guess better
> edging goes a long way.

Cheating USFSA judges goes a long way.

johns

 
 
 

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Post by Jim Reute » Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:01:30

If you need spoilers by now, you're not really that interested.

I've been a Sasha critic for years - but I have to admit, she has improved
on everything I picked on in the past.  I believe I am becoming a fan.

Particularly the edges in her spiral sequence are now very good, instead of
poor.   I think the spins were better centered. I haven't slo-moed her Lutz
over and over, but my first impression is that it was better - still not an
outside edge takeoff, but better than Jennie Kirk's.

I hope she skates as well (or better) in the long.  She is starting to look
like the next World Champion (and I never thought I would say that - guess I
underrated her).



Quote:


> > Although I think it's been on tv everywhere, just in case....
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
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> > .
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> > .
> > For the first time ever, I caught myself actually enjoying -- without
> > any nitpicking at all -- a Cohen program.  Happened right in the
> > middle of it.  I was shocked when I realized this.  :)

> Hee. Same here. I thought she seemed relaxed and focused and, for the
first
> time in years, truly confident and not over-eager. It was the best I've
seen
> her skate.

>  Seriously, it
> > was nice, particularly after the men's programs (which weren't quite
> > the debacle of last year, but still uncomfortably close to that --
> > what the heck is going on?) to see so many good women's programs.
> > Kirk, Kwan, Cohen, Corwin -- happy happy happy as Laurie would say.

> At least someone was skating well! Men's last year seemed worse. But this
> wasn't pretty, with the exceptions of Weir and Savoie.

> > (Discussion of scores follows) -- I don't quite see how anyone could
> > have given Kwan higher scores than Cohen but (shrug) I guess better
> > edging goes a long way.  And Kwan's spiral is better, IMO.  But
> > overall, I thought Cohen looked really secure out there -- the edges
> > seemed better than usual, the jumps looked really nice, the footwork
> > looked more difficult (to me, anyway).

> She wasn't reaching for the moon, which she tends to do. I still don't get
a
> great feel of warmth from her, but she got closer to joy this time, which
is
> nice to see. As for the scores, I thought Sasha should have been in first
> but WOW, was she overscored! I mean, she skated fairly early and what the
> judges were telling Michelle was, you're going to have to skate one of
your
> magical programs to even be competitive here. That seemed a little much to
> me. That said, for the first time, I thought Sasha should have been in
> first.

> I can't believe I wrote that.

> As for the edges, her spirals seem more secure, and did she leave out the
> stupid SashaSkid? Seemed like she did. Jump-wise, though, she does NOT
have
> better technique than Michelle -- her flutz was more pronounced than ever
> (of course, that means she's finally on an edge. Heh), and the slo-mo of
her
> flip showed a HUUUGE s-curve going in, instead of a beautiful inside edge.
> Really wobbly. I think her jump landings were more secure than usual, but
I
> dearly wish she had some softness there. Maybe Robin can help her with
that.

> I wonder about the coaching
> > change -- it's possible that maybe Cohen needs just more positiveness,
> > more support.  And goodness knows Wagner seems nurturing and
> > supportive.  It might be that Cohen's main problem is not being a
> > headstrong diva, but being too *** herself, focusing too much on
> > the end result rather than the process.  Wagner might be able to snap
> > her out of that.  (Thinking positively, here).  At any rate, Cohen
> > seemed like her head was in a good place, and I hope that's the case.
> > And this has got to be a confidence builder.

> Same here. Seemed to be just what she needed. Maybe being with a coach who
> doesn't have an army of skaters is a good thing for her. It seemed
> originally, when she went to Tarasova, that it would be good for her to be
> practicing with great skaters but maybe it made her reach for something
> outside of herself. She competed against everyone but herself, and that
led
> to mistakes. She certainly seemed more settled this time, and she and
Robin
> have a good rapport. Who knew Sasha Cohen needed to be nurtured???

> > Kwan was good, certainly, given that she's not competed in some time.
> > She did not seem relaxed, though -- of course, that too could be due
> > to the long break.  (And I guess few of these skaters are really
> > relaxed -- though some might appear that way).  But more than usual,
> > she seemed really explicitly determined to get through the program.
> > (Of course, the music sort of lends itself to that sort of
> > expression).

> I thought she seemed a bit tight, too, and determined, catching up to the
> program at times instead of mastering it. In person, though, her ice
> coverage, edging and quality of skating is SO impressive, even when she
> makes mistakes. Her movements go with the music, whatever the tempo. I'd
> love to see Sasha pick this up.

> > I was really very pleased for Kirk, Corwin, and Nikodinov.  And what a
> > nice happy dance Corwin did at the end of her program.  :) And, though
> > I generally don't notice how skaters look -- I don't even notice much
> > about costumes (though Cohen's short program costume is indeed
> > dreadful) -- let me just say that I think Kirk just lights up the ice,
> > both in her skating and her appearance.  A few years back, she was
> > just incredibly consistent....and I'm glad to see her getting back on
> > track.

> WOW, was she lovely! And the crowd adored her! I loved seeing that. A
> wonderful program for her. And Angela... thank God!!! Hopefully she can
just
> stay steady for the long program. Ann-Patrice seems to have Sasha's
> problem -- she isn't enjoying herself, or doesn't seem to be. Jenny's the
> total opposite. She is really blossoming.

> > The commentating was unusually good, I thought.  But what the heck was
> >*** babbling on about someone's heart -- and how attractive she was?
> > But other than that, all the commentators seemed unusually specific
> > about identifying the strengths and weaknesses of the programs.

> At one point*** made me scream at him and I blocked out when it was. But
> it was some icky comment like that. I just wish they'd stop talking about
> Sasha's superior technique when all the mean is flexibility and how
straight
> her back is. I mean, that's fine, she's certainly got both going for her,
> but superior technique indicates a mastery of edging as well as well
pointed
> feet and she isn't there yet.

> > The men's -- well, I miss Todd Eldredge.  That's all I can think to
> > say, in sum.  So many of these skaters are so interesting, and have
> > such great potential -- and absolutely no consistency.

> You had to go and mention Todd!!!

> > And what's the
> > deal with Goebel?  I don't skate much, so I'm pretty clueless about
> > boots, but according to the commentators, it would be really unlikely
> > that it would take 13 boot changes to find a boot that works....that
> > something else has to be going on.  But what could it be?  Can a
> > skater just lose it like that, in such a relatively short period of
> > time?  Has there been other similar cases in the past?

> Seems to me that he had boot problems, they caused other problems, and he
is
> fixed on thinking that he still has boot problems. Boots and blades that
> don't fit correctly don't just affect the jumps, they affect everything
> else, too. He isn't tripping all over himself in the footwork or spins.
> Seems like it has to be mental at this point. I felt really bad for him.
And
> is it evil to be happy that Weiss isn't in the top three?

 
 
 

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Post by Cmqu » Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:26:48

"I hope she [Sasha] skates as well (or better) in the long.  She is starting to
look
like the next World Champion (and I never thought I would say that - guess I
underrated her)."

Her short program was gorgeous.  If she doesn't follow her usual pattern and
collapse on the long, then I'll agree!

 
 
 

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Post by Shillelag » Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:07:40


Quote:

> As I watched Goebel tonight two words came to my mind: David Duval. For
> those of you who don't follow golf, Duval is a young(ish) lad who was, for
a
> while, right up there with Tiger Woods and Ernie Els but then inexplicably
> fell off a cliff. He had a solid amateur and pro career and was the number
> one golfer in the world for about a year before he crashed and burned for
no
> apparent reason. From being at the top of the golf world just two years
ago
> he's now totally off the radar.

I've watched Duval over the years with a lot of interest.  Personally, I
think he's more into snowboarding than golf now. It's a shame.  He also got
into bulking up his body - and I wonder if that made a difference.

Shelagh

Quote:
> I hope he can regain his joy and his confidence in his skating, because I
> have a hunch that's what he needs in order to regain his proficiency.

> Ellen

 
 
 

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Post by Bbarl » Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:44:51

"Kirk just lights up the ice, both in her skating and her appearance."

Kirk, if marked fairly, would have been second after Cohen.  Nikodinov and
Corwin skated with no errors, Kwan made two.

 
 
 

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Post by CurtAda » Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:19:09

I was very relieved by the many good performances of the ladies last night,
after the scary practices on Tuesday.  (Not so the men; more on that later) We
basically had 5 very good program performances, and as a certain beloved and
behated commentator would say, that was "first-rate"

Cohen looked very good last night.  Her spirals are on real, good edges
although there was a bobble in the tracing of the second spiral position.  What
I was most impressed by was her footwork into the flip.  I've long complained
that it's pretty perfuntory, with most skaters going nearly a third of the rink
on the entrance edge prior to the jump (this includes Kwan last night)  Cohen
did footwork right up to the jump. I was impressed.

I'm a little surprised more hasn't been made of Kirk's performance.  She landed
a 3-3, and in the short to boot!  I wasn't too surprised because she'd been
absolutely on fire during warmups.  She tried it twice in the afternoon warmup,
hitting it both times, did it again in the warmup, and of course in the
program.  4 out of 4 ain't bad!  And while those hand flaps and head flips
aren't skating difficulty they looked ohsogood during the program.  Chicago is
good music for footwork, too.  It was popular - 3 skaters did Chicago!

I would have put Kirk in 2nd, myself.  What 3-3 did she do?  For some reason,
even though I saw it 4 times, I just couldn't figure out what the first jump
was.  It looked like a toe loop but I didn't see the pick go in (it was at the
other end of the rink).  A knowledgeable skating fan in the row ahead of me
(who corrected me on several instances) couldn't figure it out either.


"It is better to be wrong than to be vague" - Freeman Dyson

 
 
 

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Post by u.. » Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:28:41

My placing for the short was
1) Cohen
2) Kirk
3) Nikodinov
4) Kwan
5) Korwin.
I am a fan of Michelle, I think she is one of the best skaters ever, and
she is a living legend. However, all my tremendious respect for her does
not excuse her two obvious mistakes. Both Jenny and Angela should have
been ahead of her. i just feel that unfair judging does not do any
favors to the sport i love.
peace,
jenya
Quote:

> "Kirk just lights up the ice, both in her skating and her appearance."

> Kirk, if marked fairly, would have been second after Cohen.  Nikodinov and
> Corwin skated with no errors, Kwan made two.

 
 
 

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Post by Bbarl » Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:05:26

"My placing for the short was
1) Cohen
2) Kirk
3) Nikodinov
4) Kwan
5) Korwin.
I am a fan of Michelle, I think she is one of the best skaters ever, and she is
a living legend. However, all my tremendious respect for her does not excuse
her two obvious mistakes. Both Jenny and Angela should have been ahead of her.
i just feel that unfair judging does not do any favors to the sport i love.
peace,"
jenya

Amen!!

 
 
 

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Post by WIsi » Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:21:42

I thought that Cohen looked fantastic last night.  Good for her for a great
performance.  And wow!  Jenny Kirk!  You go girl!  I was so incredibly e***d
for her to have such a great program. I am hoping that she is a podium finisher
as she has just been skating wonderfully lately and has really blossomed into a
wonderfully beautiful skater.  Good to see Michelle skate.  Aside from the
bobble on the double axel, I did not see another "glaring" mistake as our
resident troll likes to claim. Anyone have any idea about a second mistake???
Amber Corwin looked good.  Angela really held it together. Good for her.  I
think that AP has really grown this year, but she did not look happy skating.
She has really become a very pretty skater, very smooth.  So glad to see her in
a dress that is flattering rather than those incredible beaded heavy looking
dresses.  Beatrisa looked incredibly fast and not at all calm and collected.
She is a little fireball of energy though.  Can't remember the other girl's
name, the real tiny one that is channeling Tara. Give her a few years and she
will be hobbling from all of the hip problems.

Loved the top three finishers for the men!  How exciting!

 
 
 

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Post by CurtAda » Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:23:40

Quote:

>My placing for the short was
>1) Cohen
>2) Kirk
>3) Nikodinov
>4) Kwan
>I am a fan of Michelle, I think she is one of the
>best skaters ever, and
>she is a living legend. However, all my tremendious
>respect for her does
>not excuse her two obvious mistakes.
>Both Jenny and Angela should have
>been ahead of her. i just feel that unfair judging
>does not do any favors to the sport i love.

There's nothing unfair with Angela.  
Perhaps it doesn't show up on TV,
but Nikodinov's footwork and inbetweens just weren't anywhere
near the quality of the top 3.  She looks very pretty but her feet just aren't
doing enough.

I'd have placed Kirk ahead of Kwan, though.


"It is better to be wrong than to be vague" - Freeman Dyson

 
 
 

spoilers, I guess (U.S. Nationals)

Post by Tracy Johnso » Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:24:35

Quote:

> If you need spoilers by now, you're not really that interested.

Well, actually, that's not really true. I haven't seen any US Nationals
coverage because it's not on any channel I get in Canada and/or in my
cable package.

Just an FYI. Not that I care about spoilers, because I can't wait till I
watch it to get the news, myself! But that's the second comment I've
read about everyone having already seen it or something similar, so I
thought I'd remind folks that some of us deprived people haven't
actually seen the coverage yet. :-)

Tracy