Speed Kills

Speed Kills

Post by Lunas » Tue, 10 Feb 1998 04:00:00


If speed and grace are more important than a fall on elements,  Paul Wylie
would've been twice Olympic Champion and eight time US Champion.

Make that ten times US Champion.

I'm so sick of "speed" being the excuse for screwy judging -- I remember people
trying to take the achievements of Rudy Galindo away in '96  because he "lacked
speed".   No one completes a triple or triple-triple STANDING STILL (except
maybe Surya in her prime and Tara today -- and neither Surya or Tara has much
speed on EXIT,  unlike Rudy, who may or may not appear slower,  but has flow
out of jumps)

I'm still trying to find the egregious speed problem and unison problem with
Ina and Dungjen last night that somehow justify 4th.   Their side-by-side spins
weren't perfect,  but they were as good as B & S's -- both teams s-by-s spins
were inferior to Woetzel and Steuer's,  but some of the German team's other
elements (especially their twist) are second-rate.  

You can play with presentation marks all you want,  and  B & S are like buttah,
 but one thing seems clear to be -- NO WAY should Ina and Dugjen be behind
Woetzel and Steuer.
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civilized fear of going too far." -- Dorothy Parker

 
 
 

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Post by NNRathb » Tue, 10 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
(Lunasa1) writes:  "and  B & S are like buttah,"

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LOL!  I LOVED this comment!

Nancy (NYC)

 
 
 

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Post by JChrom » Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>> I'm so sick of "speed" being the excuse for screwy judging --

>The judging may only be screwy in your eyes.

>> I remember people
>> trying to take the achievements of Rudy Galindo away in '96  because he
>"lacked
>> speed".

>No one tried to take his achevements away--they were just noting a fact.
>Rudy did skate slower than the other skaters.

>> No one completes a triple or triple-triple STANDING STILL (except
>> maybe Surya in her prime and Tara today -- and neither Surya or Tara has
>much
>> speed on EXIT,  unlike Rudy, who may or may not appear slower,  but has
>flow
>> out of jumps)

>Of course they don't--but some have more speed and flow going in. And I
>trust judges are noticing whether Surya and Tara have speed and flow on
>their exits.

>> I'm still trying to find the egregious speed problem and unison problem
>with
>> Ina and Dungjen last night that somehow justify 4th.   Their
>side-by-side spins
>> weren't perfect,  but they were as good as B & S's -- both teams s-by-s
>spins
>> were inferior to Woetzel and Steuer's,  but some of the German team's other
>> elements (especially their twist) are second-rate.  

>Take a look at the footwork and let us know what you see. Also notice the
>beginning of the lift--doesn't Jason slow down a tad while he's intially
>positioning Kyoko up there, then start revolving?

>> You can play with presentation marks all you want,  and  B & S are like
>buttah,
>>  but one thing seems clear to be -- NO WAY should Ina and Dugjen be behind
>> Woetzel and Steuer.

>In your opinion. The judges differ.

>--
>Trudi

I am certainly no expert on the judging of Olympic Figure Skating, but isn't
the point that the Judges differ with each other?  I thought the problem with
the results was that 2 of the judges placed them seventh.  Do you really
believe they were that bad?



 
 
 

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Post by PegLew » Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
(Lunasa1) writes:
> I'm so sick of "speed" being the excuse for screwy judging --

But it isn't an "excuse." It is a genuine component of good skating to be
rewarded if present. Why? Because effortless speed indicated superb basic
skating skills. Because speed adds an element of danger and increases the
difficulty of every move a skater makes. Some skaters sacrifice speed for
complexity. Some try to keep the complexity along with velocity. Speed alone,
simple stroking, isn't going to be rewarded as well as speed with connecting
moves, or even - likely - as well as moderate speed with complex connecting
moves... but it *will* beat less speed with simple stroking, or less speed with
poor positions.

Like it or not, understand it or not, speed *is* important.

Peg


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Post by Chelsea Christenso » Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> No one completes a triple or triple-triple STANDING STILL

I'm not sure where to begin.  Do I point out that there is a marked
difference between no speed (STANDING STILL) and less speed than other
pairs?  Do I observe that a program consists of more than jumps and
therefore there are many other places where speed is a factor?

Of course, I could always decide that the cause is hopeless and any
effort would be entirely wasted.  That would simplify matters.

 
 
 

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Post by Karl Joll » Fri, 13 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
> As has been mentioned it is very difficult to discern speed when
> watching on TV. In pairs lifts the speed and distance covered while in
> the lift is o fgreat importance the cameras always concentrate on the
> position of the lady making it very difficult to judge.

I&D and the chinese pair skated excellently but still appear as two
singles skaters they lack the synergy of W & S, B & S or K & D.