Skaters As Celebrities

Skaters As Celebrities

Post by Rex » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:20:53


I have been thinking (see the smoke?).  Some people post here about the
personal lives of skaters (who is dating who, who is straight, gay, who
deflowers sheep by the light of the silvery moon, etc.) and for the most
part, they are discouraged.  But still we inquire, don't we?  Look at the
recent post regarding Dorothy Hamill.  We've analyzed Tonya, Nancy and
Oksana to death.  Look at the posts regarding Scott Hamilton and why
supposedly he is the way he is (childhood illnesses, loss of his mom at
an early age, the cancer scare he survived), even when Barbara Underhill
lost her daughter or when Liz Punsalan's father was shot and killed. Isn't
this what we do to other athletes (OJ, Michael Jordan, Pete Rose) and
countless actors and entertainers? Isn't that because the skaters are like
celebs to us? When is the line truly crossed?

Isn't it just as intrusive to analyze Dorothy Hamill's insecurities as a
lady skater and a woman as it is to analyze a skater's love life?  What is
the real difference?

I so very much admire skaters and what they do, as do most of the posters
here.  I think maybe it's natural to want to know more about them.  So is
it really wrong to discuss these things? It seems that we draw the line
when it comes to *** orientation.  We all can assume, but no one
really knows for sure, and to be honest, that part doesn't interest me.
When Orser was outed, you could have knocked me other with a feather
because I never would have guessed, and once I found out, it hardly made
a dent in the opinion I had formed of him.  But of course it was
interesting and gossipy, and I talked with my skating friends about it.
But in the end, I was more interested in his ice-dancing type moves than
who he slept with.

We talk about Oksana's drinking habits, Scott's homophobia, Emanuel's
instability (alleged, some think he's just lazy.), Katia's parental
skills. Even though gossip about skaters is somewhat discouraged, we still
talk about it.  In conclusion, I think it's just natural to want to know
more about people I admire.

What constitutes gossip and what doesn't?

Rex, an inquiring mind who wants to know.

 
 
 

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Post by Jennifer Lyo » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:51:27

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Quote:

> We talk about Oksana's drinking habits, Scott's homophobia, Emanuel's
> instability (alleged, some think he's just lazy.), Katia's parental
> skills. Even though gossip about skaters is somewhat discouraged, we
> still
> talk about it.  In conclusion, I think it's just natural to want to
know
> more about people I admire.

> What constitutes gossip and what doesn't?

I think it depends on the source of the information/gossip. Scott
Hamilton, for example, acknowleged his homophobia in his own
autobiography. Oksana Baiul has talked about her ***ism in
numerous interviews. If a poster brings up something that a
skater has discussed publicly, I don't consider that gossip.
However, if you do get your information from a book, an article,
or a TV interview, it's a good idea to name your sources.

I think it's also OK to comment on the way a skater behaves on TV
or about general career decisions that the skater makes. Katia
Gordeeva's decision to allow her daughter to be shown on
television over and over again falls into that category.

Gossip (as opposed to information) usually comes from the
following sources:

1. Tabloids. You don't see too many articles about skaters in the
Enquirer or the Star these days (as opposed to the mid-1990s,
when big-name skaters appeared in the tabloids semi-regularly),
but if something should appear it qualifies as gossip, IMO.
Should it be discussed on this board? Probably not. But because
so many people will see it, they're going to talk about it
anyway.

2. Fan boards/newsgroups. Somebody hears something from a friend
of a friend and decides to post it online. This is how a lot of
flame wars get started. (Nearly all "is he gay" posts fall into
this category.) I'm not saying the gossip isn't true. It could
be. You never know. But here at RSSIF, such discussions are
discouraged.

3. The combination approach. This is what happens when someone
overreacts to something they read in an article or see on TV. The
basic information might be accurate, but the poster gets carried
away and starts reading too much into a skater's behavior. Then
the poster launches an attack against that skater. I saw this
type of thing over and over again when Michelle Kwan decided to
part ways with Frank Carroll. This, in and of itself, is not
gossip and is an appropriate topic for discussion on this
newsgroup. But emotions ran high, some statements against
Michelle's character were made, and the result was a flame war.

 
 
 

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Post by Sandra Loosemor » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:41:39

Quote:

> Gossip (as opposed to information) usually comes from the
> following sources:

> 1. Tabloids.  [...]

> 2. Fan boards/newsgroups.  [...]

> 3. The combination approach. This is what happens when someone
> overreacts to something they read in an article or see on TV.  [...]

I'd also add to this list, first-hand observations of skaters'
behavior.  For instance, consider when somebody posted all about
witnessing a certain skater practicing chaira*** acts in a bar.
The standard I personally apply to whether it's appropriate to report
and discuss such things is if the behavior in question occurred in a
situation where the skater had a reasonable expectation of privacy.
If I see skaters holding hands and looking mushy at each other during
a competition at the rink, on the bus, or in the lobby of the
headquarters hotel, I might comment on it; if I see them doing the
same thing in some other context (like, for instance, at a restaurant
away from the competition site, or at their home rink when there is
not a public event going on there), I'd more likely keep my mouth
shut.  I think it's also especially rude for people who encounter
skaters while they are working or volunteering in some privileged
situation to post details about it.  For instance, once somebody who
was working for the caterer backstage at a skating event posted in
great detail about everything the skaters ate and said while they were
*** out near the buffet table -- yecchhhh.

-Sandra the cynic

 
 
 

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Post by Rex » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:43:27

Quote:

>> What constitutes gossip and what doesn't?

> I think it depends on the source of the information/gossip. Scott
> Hamilton, for example, acknowleged his homophobia in his own
> autobiography. Oksana Baiul has talked about her ***ism in
> numerous interviews. If a poster brings up something that a
> skater has discussed publicly, I don't consider that gossip.
> However, if you do get your information from a book, an article,
> or a TV interview, it's a good idea to name your sources.

Yeah, and I admire him for his honesty.  Despite some things said about
him, I admire Scott a lot.  I have said harsh things about Oksana and
actually am sort of regretting them now.  She made a mistake and has made
amends, as they say in the 12-steps.

Quote:
> I think it's also OK to comment on the way a skater behaves on TV
> or about general career decisions that the skater makes. Katia
> Gordeeva's decision to allow her daughter to be shown on
> television over and over again falls into that category.

That never bothered me at all.  Never understood the issues about her
being a single mom and having Ilia's baby.  After all, she had a major
source of income and had a bit of an education.  She wasn't a ***aged mom
struggling to make ends meet.  She was old enough to make her own decision.

Quote:
> Gossip (as opposed to information) usually comes from the
> following sources:

> 1. Tabloids. You don't see too many articles about skaters in the
> Enquirer or the Star these days (as opposed to the mid-1990s,
> when big-name skaters appeared in the tabloids semi-regularly),
> but if something should appear it qualifies as gossip, IMO.
> Should it be discussed on this board? Probably not. But because
> so many people will see it, they're going to talk about it
> anyway.

It got really excessive after Lillehamer, the tabloids and all.

Quote:
> 2. Fan boards/newsgroups. Somebody hears something from a friend
> of a friend and decides to post it online. This is how a lot of
> flame wars get started. (Nearly all "is he gay" posts fall into
> this category.) I'm not saying the gossip isn't true. It could
> be. You never know. But here at RSSIF, such discussions are
> discouraged.

I have to admit, I wonder if these people are insiders because sometimes
I think the same things, but don't dare state them because I have no
facts  or evidence.  And then I wonder if they are just plain old trolls
with no lives.

Quote:
> 3. The combination approach. This is what happens when someone
> overreacts to something they read in an article or see on TV. The basic
> information might be accurate, but the poster gets carried away and
> starts reading too much into a skater's behavior. Then the poster
> launches an attack against that skater. I saw this type of thing over
> and over again when Michelle Kwan decided to part ways with Frank
> Carroll. This, in and of itself, is not gossip and is an appropriate
> topic for discussion on this newsgroup. But emotions ran high, some
> statements against Michelle's character were made, and the result was a
> flame war.

And recently, with the post (which I am guilty of writing) regarding Brian
Joubert.  And people have done this with Sasha and Mikey and Kwanita based
on things they have seen in the media.  Everyone is guilty of this to a
point, Jennifer.
 
 
 

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Post by Rex » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:50:52

Quote:

> For instance, once somebody who
> was working for the caterer backstage at a skating event posted in
> great detail about everything the skaters ate and said while they were
>*** out near the buffet table -- yecchhhh.

> -Sandra the cynic

And I admit I would be a little curious about that, what they ate and what
they said about skating.  Sorry, Sandra, I'm a relentless fannie.  But out
of respect for the rules here, I try and refrain myself from asking
"inappropriate" questions.  I have decided to learning more about the
skating itself.
 
 
 

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Post by Isiaf » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:21:56

Quote:
>Scott
>Hamilton, for example, acknowleged his homophobia in his own
>autobiography.

Scott talks about something, but it is not homophobia.

Are tv skaters celebrities relative to skating fans?  Well, are rocks are hard?

Sling Skate

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Post by Bev Johnst » Fri, 30 Jul 2004 23:36:09

Quote:


> Never understood the issues about her
> being a single mom and having Ilia's baby.  After all, she had a major
> source of income and had a bit of an education.  She wasn't a ***aged mom
> struggling to make ends meet.  She was old enough to make her own decision.

Because it's IMMORAL!!

Ha ha - just wanted to beat El Nino, Trollblaster, et. al. to the punch!  :-P

Bev

 
 
 

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Post by El Ni » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 03:17:40

Quote:



> > Never understood the issues about her
> > being a single mom and having Ilia's baby.  After all, she had a major
> > source of income and had a bit of an education.  She wasn't a ***aged mom
> > struggling to make ends meet.  She was old enough to make her own decision.

> Because it's IMMORAL!!

It IS IMMORAL.  You are CORRECT, dear.  Katia is a TERRIBLE role
model.  And a HYPOCRITE.
Quote:
> Ha ha - just wanted to beat El Nino, Trollblaster, et. al. to the punch!  :-P

> Bev

 
 
 

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Post by Dori » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:23:25

Quote:

> ----------

> > What constitutes gossip and what doesn't?

> I think it depends on the source of the information/gossip.  
> I think it's also OK to comment on the way a skater behaves on TV
> or about general career decisions that the skater makes. Katia
> Gordeeva's decision to allow her daughter to be shown on
> television over and over again falls into that category.

> Gossip (as opposed to information) usually comes from the
> following sources:

> 1. Tabloids.
> 2. Fan boards/newsgroups. >
> 3. The combination approach. This is what happens when someone
> overreacts to something they read in an article or see on TV.

-----------------------------

   Unfortunately we are stuck with the gossip of a famous person's
life whether we want it ot not.   It's hard to stay away from it.
Because of the Tabloids success, even the regular media outfits (like
CNN, MSNBC, etc.) will speculate about people, news events, etc. until
the cows come home.  Speculation, even in news, can tail off into
gossip.  The regular media are not mean-spirited about it usually, not
like the Tabloids can be, but we will never, ever again get away from
gossip about the famous, whether sports stars or movie stars, or
whatever.

   When JFK was President no one knew about his various affairs in the
White House (under Jackie's nose).   Some newspaper-media types new
about it and cloaked his behavior, never revealing it to their
readers.  Years later it was discussed in full but at the time,
nothing.  Nowadays if JFK was running for President, all his dirty
laundry would hang out for everyone to gossip about.  A lot of this
started when Gart Hart ran for President and he ended up on someone's
boat named "Monkey Business" with some girl that wasn't his
wife...ever since it's been OPEN SEASON on everyone in some form of
public life.

  Doria

 
 
 

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Post by Jennifer Lyo » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 07:26:03

----------

Quote:

> I'd also add to this list, first-hand observations of skaters'
> behavior.  For instance, consider when somebody posted all about
> witnessing a certain skater practicing chaira*** acts in a bar.
> The standard I personally apply to whether it's appropriate to report
> and discuss such things is if the behavior in question occurred in a
> situation where the skater had a reasonable expectation of privacy.
> If I see skaters holding hands and looking mushy at each other during
> a competition at the rink, on the bus, or in the lobby of the
> headquarters hotel, I might comment on it; if I see them doing the
> same thing in some other context (like, for instance, at a restaurant
> away from the competition site, or at their home rink when there is
> not a public event going on there), I'd more likely keep my mouth
> shut.  I think it's also especially rude for people who encounter
> skaters while they are working or volunteering in some privileged
> situation to post details about it.  For instance, once somebody who
> was working for the caterer backstage at a skating event posted in
> great detail about everything the skaters ate and said while they were
>*** out near the buffet table -- yecchhhh.

I would definitely place that type of gossip in the
"inappropriate" category.
 
 
 

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Post by Fiona McQuarri » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 07:31:45


: That never bothered me at all.  Never understood the issues about her
: being a single mom and having Ilia's baby.  After all, she had a major
: source of income and had a bit of an education.  She wasn't a ***aged mom
: struggling to make ends meet.  She was old enough to make her own decision.

Look OUT or the CAPITALIZATION TROLL is going to ACCUSE you of having no
MORALS or STANDARDS for saying THINGS like THAT.

Fiona

 
 
 

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Post by Rex » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:03:19

Quote:




>> > Never understood the issues about her
>> > being a single mom and having Ilia's baby.  After all, she had a major
>> > source of income and had a bit of an education.  She wasn't a ***aged mom
>> > struggling to make ends meet.  She was old enough to make her own decision.

>> Because it's IMMORAL!!

> It IS IMMORAL.  You are CORRECT, dear.  Katia is a TERRIBLE role
> model.  And a HYPOCRITE.

>> Ha ha - just wanted to beat El Nino, Trollblaster, et. al. to the punch!  :-P

>> Bev

No, you are IMMORAL, EL NINNY, stop posting your stupid posts here.  You
sound like an ignorant KKK member.  Put and END to it NOW.
 
 
 

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Post by Rex » Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:25:49

Quote:



> : That never bothered me at all.  Never understood the issues about her
> : being a single mom and having Ilia's baby.  After all, she had a major
> : source of income and had a bit of an education.  She wasn't a ***aged mom
> : struggling to make ends meet.  She was old enough to make her own decision.

> Look OUT or the CAPITALIZATION TROLL is going to ACCUSE you of having no
> MORALS or STANDARDS for saying THINGS like THAT.

> Fiona

She's the one without MORALS.  Old hag.  Where is she?  Get her outta
here!  Enough is fricking enough.

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El Rex, The TRUE WINDS of FRIGGING M***CHANGE ON RSSIF.  I WILL NOT STOP
UNTIL EL NINNY/TROLLBLASTER IS OFF OF THIS NG!!! GET OUTTA HERE, YOU OLD
BAT!  BEAT IT!