I guess they are not doing nationals because....................

I guess they are not doing nationals because....................

Post by Podium » Fri, 14 Aug 1998 04:00:00


i guess kwan and todd are not doing nats because of the winter tour . but thats
ok  they have to do what is best for them. all this stuff is such big money its
hard to pass up .
 
 
 

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Post by Toeloo » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>i guess kwan and todd are not doing nats because of the winter tour . but
>thats
>ok  they have to do what is best for them. all this stuff is such big money
>its
>hard to pass up .

Jeez, all week you've got this big stick up your ***regarding just about
everybody.  Doesn't anybody want to play with you anymore, or do you get your
jollies out of being such a downer here?

<ptuey>

-Michelle

 
 
 

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Post by SchnellJ » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Uhh hem.  Has there been an announcement from Michelle Kwan saying she wasn't
competing  in the Nationals?  Speculation of this sort is fruitless.

Podium - you made the following statement as though this were a fact.

Quote:
>>i guess kwan and todd are not doing nats because of the winter tour <<

Where did you hear this?

 
 
 

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Post by astew.. » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00

In response to:

(#1) I guess kwan and todd are not doing nats because of the winter tour

-------------------

I don't know about Todd's situation. Does anyone know whether he earned a
traditoinal high school diploma?

IMO it's unsettling to Michelle (and her family)that she's 18 and hasn't yet
acquired enough credits to earn a traditional high school diploma. She said
herself, that a heavy skating schedule was the reason behind this.

I commend her for putting her education as a priority. I can't imagine anyone
taking issue with families who encourage their offspring to graduate high
school and pursue a college degree. Oh, excuse me...I have thought of some
people: The increasing number of self-serving "skating agents," that are
coming out of the woodwork.

astewart

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Post by Podium » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>Jeez, all week you've got this big stick up your ***regarding just about
>everybody.  Doesn't anybody want to play with you anymore, or do you get your
>jollies out of being such a downer here?

><ptuey>

WELL I JUST LOOKED at the winter tour and if one does it you could not be doing
NATS at the same time . Ihave not posted any thing this week or any other week
that would be considered wrong or negitive. WHATS your problem. all this stuff
is just guessing.
 
 
 

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Post by Jennifer W. Gros » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>i guess kwan and todd are not doing nats because of the winter tour . but
thats
>ok  they have to do what is best for them.

Um, where did you see that Todd E. was doing the winter tour?  URL please.
All I really know at this point is that Todd is skipping the usual eligible
events in order to do the new ISU pro-ams which are still TBD.  And he's
said publicly he's not doing nationals.

Also Todd's been doing Sr. Nationals since 1988 (except for 92).  Don't you
think he just MIGHT want to do something different?  I'm certainly not a
professional athlete, but I know I begin to get a little bored doing the
same job after about 4 years or so & then I want to do something slightly
different but still in the same line of work.

I occasionally get the silly idea that he might join the PGA for awhile.
It'd be a sort of a Deion Sanders-type thing in that he'd do both.  I
know...it's probably NOT going to happen.  But it'd certainly be interesting
if it did.  Besides, who else practices putting while waiting for their long
program???? ;-)

Just my thoughts...

Jen

 
 
 

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Post by Mary H » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> >Jeez, all week you've got this big stick up your ***regarding just about
> >everybody.  Doesn't anybody want to play with you anymore, or do you get your
> >jollies out of being such a downer here?

> ><ptuey>

> WELL I JUST LOOKED at the winter tour and if one does it you could not be doing
> NATS at the same time . Ihave not posted any thing this week or any other week
> that would be considered wrong or negitive. WHATS your problem. all this stuff
> is just guessing.

No, that is not true. Skaters have done the winter
COI tour and still went to nationals and other events in their elgible
career. In fact, I think Michelle did COI and Nationals in 96'?
 
 
 

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Post by PegLew » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
(Podium99) writes:
>WELL I JUST LOOKED at the winter tour and if one does

*all* of

Quote:
> it you could not be doing NATS at the same time .

But this is *COI* - the mix and match tour. Cold spots. Skaters pop in and out
all the time. There is nothing to prevent a skater from doing as many or as few
stops as the skater wishes. Thus, nothing prevents an eligible skater from
competing at Nationals *and* skating on the tour to practice the programs in
front of an audience. It's been done before, sort of. (Kwan skated the first[?]
winter tour between Nationals and CSFinals, for example, in 1996, and went on
to win worlds.)

Quote:
>Ihave not posted
>any thing this week or any other week that would be considered
>wrong or negitive. WHATS your problem. all this stuff is just
>guessing.

But some of it is *informed* guessing. Guess which category yours hasn't been?

Peg, bemused but nice about it


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Post by Patricia Barre » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00

In response to:

(#1) I guess kwan and todd are not doing nats because of the winter tour

-------------------

I don't know about Todd's situation. Does anyone know whether he earned
a
traditoinal high school diploma?

Yes, Todd did earn his HS diploma -- I believe in 1989.  

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Post by Podium » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>me of it is *informed* guessing. Guess which category yours hasn't been?

>Peg, bemused but nice about it

     now peg could you just say it would be alittle hard to train and on the
tour even for a just a few stops . they are not doing thier nat programs on the
tour and most nat skaters will be training 3 and 4 hours a day in jan and feb .
 i agree that she has to do what is best for her ijust think the message to the
media is getting confused.she is lucky to have loyal fans like you.
 
 
 

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Post by PegLew » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
(Podium99) writes:
>>me of it is *informed* guessing. Guess which category yours hasn't been?

>>Peg, bemused but nice about it

>     now peg could you just say it would be alittle hard to train and on the
>tour even for a just a few stops .

You betcha it would be hard to train on the road. But maintenance of a program
is not the same thing as learning it in the first place, and maintenance could
easily be done on a tour. And the other point to consider is we still don't
know which, how many, where those particular tour stops will be.

Quote:
> they are not doing thier nat programs on the tour

How do we know an eligible skater planning to attend nationals won't do her
nationals programs on tour? I hate to keep dragging up the example of Kwan in
1996, but I have to do it again. Michelle skated her programs (exhibition,
short and long, apparently alternating - though I understand skaters do two
solos on the winter tour rather than one as on the summer tour) while touring
between Nationals and the CSFinals (actually, Cup of Russia the week before the
CSFinals) to practice them "in a big arena in front of a big audience. It's
great practice." [quote from CSFinals phluff interview, FOX TV]

Michelle did it once, and she knows more about how to stay in shape touring now
than then, so who are we to say she can't handle it? (If she fails, we can
shout from the mountaintops, but until then, I advocate giving her the benefit
of the doubt.)

Quote:
>and most nat skaters will be training 3 and 4 hours a day in jan and feb.

True. But I repeat that maintaining a program once you have it the way you want
it is much less intensive than building to a peak, as most of the skaters are
going to be doing. *If* that's what Michelle's planning to do. We still don't
know what dates she'll be touring.

Quote:
> i agree that she has to do what is best for her ijust think the message to
>the media is getting confused.

I think that some people in the NG are jumping to conclusions, but we don't
count as "media" here.

I don't think the real media has been informed about any of it. They know what
FTD's release said, and it said Michelle and Tara and Todd and Elvis would be
on the winter tour. We have since learned that Todd has made no firm
committment yet (Skatefans list today) and that Tara is likely signing with SOI
(BOI News 980812). We have no solid confirmation from Elvis or from Michelle,
although someone with usually reliable inside information has assured RSSIF
that she's doing the winter tour. However, that person did not offer the tour
stops she would be doing, so we don't know how heavy her involvement will be.

The other thing the media has been told is, by Michelle herself at a GWG press
conference, that she intends to skate this season if she improves to her
satisfaction.

That's a lot of unknowns - whether she skates in competition this season, where
on tour she skates. I don't really comprehend why some of us are leaping to the
conclusion that she's not going to be able to skate competitively if she tours
when she's done it before (in 1996). The facts just don't support the dire
predictions, IMO.

Again, if she can't compete at nationals, or tanks there, then we can criticize
her mercilessly. ;-) But we can't kvetch about her failures until she
experiences them, IMO.

Quote:
>she is lucky to have loyal fans like you.

Oh, pshaw!  ;-)

Peg :-)


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Post by Suzanne Lainso » Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> In response to:

> (#1) I guess kwan and todd are not doing nats because of the winter
> tour

> -------------------

> I don't know about Todd's situation. Does anyone know whether he
> earned
> a
> traditoinal high school diploma?

> Yes, Todd did earn his HS diploma -- I believe in 1989.

>                                                 --Trish

I know that when he was skating at the Broadmoor, he was attending a
real high school.

Suzanne

 
 
 

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Post by Virginia Blalo » Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>In response to:

>(#1) I guess kwan and todd are not doing nats because of the winter tour

>-------------------

>I don't know about Todd's situation. Does anyone know whether he earned a
>traditoinal high school diploma?

Well, Todd has taken some college courses, so I think we can assume
that he has a high school diploma. In fact, as I recall, he went to
"regular" school(not the whole day of course) except for his senior
year when the high school wanted him to make a choice between school
and skating. He had "independent study," whatever that is.

Quote:
>IMO it's unsettling to Michelle (and her family)that she's 18 and hasn't yet
>acquired enough credits to earn a traditional high school diploma. She said
>herself, that a heavy skating schedule was the reason behind this.

Yes, but I believe she is supposed to finish here fairly soon.
 
 
 

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Post by DEB WAL » Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:00:00

It seems to me that all too often, too many eligible skaters representing this
and other countries in Olympic years simply go pro in the season to follow.  In
fact, in 1994, our team was pretty much demolished by Worlds (leaving little
Michelle Kwan the job of securing ladies' spots at the next year's Worlds).  

These kids have been going strong for a lot of years, and they've all had a
rough time of it, with injury, heavy schedules, pressure.  No one has said
they'll never do Nationals again.  But if they want to take a year off and try
some new things that won't cost them eligiblity - cool.  I've always been sorry
to see athletes rush to the pro ranks after an Olympic year (just 'cos I prefer
watching eligible competitions).

Another benefit of Kwan and Eldredge's plans to not do Nationals this year is
that we might see some new talent float to the top.  Nicole Bobek, always
entertaining but rarely consistent, is staying eligible, and might just pull it
together.  Or possibly Angela Nicodinov, whom I think has great potential.  Or
possibly Sidne Vogel (if she's healthy) might fulfill her promise.  And in the
men's arena, Scott Davis is apparently staying eligible for another year - he's
someone I'd really like to see on the podium again.  Since changing coaches,
he's looking better and better (and I was not a fan of his when he was national
champion!).  Mike Weiss could pull it together nationally and internationally.
Tim Goebel.  Derrick Delmore.  Damon Allen.  There's a lot of talent out there.

Apologies if I've repeated someone else's comments.

Deb Walsh

 
 
 

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Post by sharkb.. » Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:00:00


Quote:


> >In response to:

> >(#1) I guess kwan and todd are not doing nats because of the winter tour

> >-------------------

> >I don't know about Todd's situation. Does anyone know whether he earned a
> >traditoinal high school diploma?

> Well, Todd has taken some college courses, so I think we can assume
> that he has a high school diploma. In fact, as I recall, he went to
> "regular" school(not the whole day of course) except for his senior
> year when the high school wanted him to make a choice between school
> and skating. He had "independent study," whatever that is.

> >IMO it's unsettling to Michelle (and her family)that she's 18 and hasn't yet
> >acquired enough credits to earn a traditional high school diploma. She said
> >herself, that a heavy skating schedule was the reason behind this.

> Yes, but I believe she is supposed to finish here fairly soon.

Not that it matter's too much in the scheme of things, but I've noticed
lately that many highschool students are taking the GED and getting an early
jump on college.  I don't know if it's just because of where I live or if its
happening all over the country, but I personally know 6 or 7 15 and 16 year
olds who are doing quite well in their college courses, and who opted out of
the public education system at their earliest convenience.  And were
encouraged by their families to do so!  I'm not sure if this is a good trend
or not, but it certainly dispells the myth that one must have a traditional
highschool diploma to succeed.  Lets face it, in most public highschools, the
education students receive after 10th grade is negligible, and as I recall
from my own highschool days, just a repeat of the 9th and 10th grade
curriculum.

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