Smith: SLC Ice Dance Plot

Smith: SLC Ice Dance Plot

Post by Fiona McQuarri » Wed, 27 Mar 2002 03:41:30


Big article in the Glove and Mail by Beverly Smith today about how ice
dancing results were fixed for SLC. (As usual someone more computer
literate than me will have to provide a link.)

Please note that this article is sourced to a single unidentified
individual, which makes me a little nervous, but anyway, here's what this
source has to say:

- The Italian and Russian federations had agreed several months before
SLC to have Fusar-Poli and Margaglio win the Olympic gold.

- This plan was thrown into disarray when FP+M ended up fourth at the
Grand Prix final, and the Russians realized how easy it would be for
Lobacheva and Averbukh to win in SLC.

- The revised plan for SLC was for Anissina and Peizerat to win the
compulsories and the OD, and for L/A to win the FD and hence the gold.

- This plan got scuttled when the Israeli judge was "only" drawn as a
substitute for the FD panel, and thus could not support L/A as planned, so
A/P won the gold.

- A/P were told that if they went to Nagano they would be "dumped" so they
decided to turn pro after the Olys.

- The source says that Valentin Piseev, the head of the Russian
federation, "has such power in figure skating that he controls everything
in Europe." There isn't one show or event in Europe that doesn't include a
Russian skater, and the Russians have consistently produced strong
skaters. The Russians have a system of influence that "works to build up
reputations of their skaters or destroy the reputation of opponents, aside
from exerting political influence."

- The source also says that Canadians and Americans are not good at
playing political skating games. "The Canadians and Americans treat
skating like a business. The Russians just want to win."

- The source also says if Slutskaia were an American and Kwan were a
Russian "you wouldn't see Slutskaia in the top five."

Fiona

 
 
 

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Post by Joel » Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:38:37

Quote:
>- A/P were told that if they went to Nagano they would be "dumped" so they
>decided to turn pro after the Olys

And you know what's really amazing?  If they had gone, skated exactly the way
they did at the Olympics, and finished off the podium, there would be people
who would justify the results.

I say throw Dance out.  It's a mess.  Keep it only for recreational ***s.

Joelle
If you want to make God laugh, tell him what you are doing tomorrow
Father Mike

 
 
 

Smith: SLC Ice Dance Plot

Post by Robert Diste » Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:18:49



Quote:
> Big article in the Glove and Mail by Beverly Smith today about how ice
> dancing results were fixed for SLC. (As usual someone more computer
> literate than me will have to provide a link.)

> Please note that this article is sourced to a single unidentified
> individual, which makes me a little nervous, but anyway, here's what this
> source has to say:

> - The Italian and Russian federations had agreed several months before
> SLC to have Fusar-Poli and Margaglio win the Olympic gold.

> - This plan was thrown into disarray when FP+M ended up fourth at the
> Grand Prix final, and the Russians realized how easy it would be for
> Lobacheva and Averbukh to win in SLC.

> - The revised plan for SLC was for Anissina and Peizerat to win the
> compulsories and the OD, and for L/A to win the FD and hence the gold.

> - This plan got scuttled when the Israeli judge was "only" drawn as a
> substitute for the FD panel, and thus could not support L/A as planned, so
> A/P won the gold.

> - A/P were told that if they went to Nagano they would be "dumped" so they
> decided to turn pro after the Olys.

> - The source says that Valentin Piseev, the head of the Russian
> federation, "has such power in figure skating that he controls everything
> in Europe." There isn't one show or event in Europe that doesn't include a
> Russian skater, and the Russians have consistently produced strong
> skaters. The Russians have a system of influence that "works to build up
> reputations of their skaters or destroy the reputation of opponents, aside
> from exerting political influence."

> - The source also says that Canadians and Americans are not good at
> playing political skating games. "The Canadians and Americans treat
> skating like a business. The Russians just want to win."

> - The source also says if Slutskaia were an American and Kwan were a
> Russian "you wouldn't see Slutskaia in the top five."

This is interesting because there was an article by Smith on November
12, "Medals Are All But Decided" (which I believe was AFTER the judges
draw that determined the 10 participant judges, but before the
determination of Israel as the alternate) that is consistent with this
story. At that time, Smith said that the fix was in, and that the
Olympic Dance results would be:

Gold:    Fusar-Poli & Margaglio
Silver:  Lobacheva & Averbukh (article said "Russians")
Bronze:  Chait & Sakhnovski (article said "Israelis")

This seemed really weird at the time, since the Israelis basically
hadn't done anything warrant a bronze medal, and where were A/P and B/K?
After the Olys, I just chalked this up to Smith having a
head-up-the-***source, but after Worlds I'd be willing to give this
source some credence (I'm assuming it's probably the same person).
Honestly, who would have predicted the sudden ascendancy of C/S back in
November?  I wonder if the French got wind of this and decided to get
A/P back on the podium by cutting a deal to be the 5th vote to guarantee
B/S a win in the pairs if the Russians would be willing to settle for a
silver in dance, which apparently they were after the Israeli judge
became only the alternate.

I wonder what role Italy played in all this, since they ended up with
what was a disappointing 3rd -- at least compared to their hopes prior
to the GP final disaster. Did Italy have a judge for the Olympic dance?
I wonder if their vote for C/S at Worlds had anything to do with getting
FP/M a bronze at Olys? Perhaps B/K were doomed to 4th place at Olys even
without the fall. Very interesting.........

Bob

 
 
 

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Post by DreamWeaver80 » Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:29:56

This business with Chait's father and
also the Russian federation is pretty chilling and pretty rotten.
Rachel
 
 
 

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Post by Locutus of Bo » Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:09:21

Quote:
>This business with Chait's father and
>also the Russian federation is pretty chilling and pretty rotten.
>Rachel

And probably not the first time a wealthy individual has helped fix results for
his lil' darling. Just the first time someone spoke out.

Peg
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Smith: SLC Ice Dance Plot

Post by TCAX » Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:32:04

Quote:
>And probably not the first time a wealthy individual has helped fix results
>for
>his lil' darling. Just the first time someone spoke out.

>Peg

********************
Well, Peg, at the risk of angering PB, it appears that Henie pater was no
slouch in the influence peddling back in the '20s and '30s.

Theo

"As long as you have the mental game down, your techniques are solid,
physically all you need is just your body to be there with you." -Venus
Williams

 
 
 

Smith: SLC Ice Dance Plot

Post by Trudi Marrapo » Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:20:20


Quote:

> Big article in the Glove and Mail by Beverly Smith today about how ice
> dancing results were fixed for SLC. (As usual someone more computer
> literate than me will have to provide a link.)

[snip]

THIS was the post I didn't see earlier. Ah! Relief!
--
Trudi
adding the question "What do you mean?" to every post, just in case...

 
 
 

Smith: SLC Ice Dance Plot

Post by janet swan hi » Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:01:00

Quote:

>And probably not the first time a wealthy individual has helped fix results
>for
>his lil' darling. Just the first time someone spoke out.

>Peg
>==

The difference appears to be the force that Chait (reportedly) brings to it.  
I have heard rumors about him for a couple of years (and I'm not "in the in
crowd").  These rumors grew stronger and more specific early this year with
tales of Chait's throwing money about, and  threatining to "ruin" people if
they didn't go along with his plans.

While I think that influence peddling has a long history in figure skating,
based on the stories that have been circulating, Chait's approach would seem to
be more direct and menacing than what has been seen before.

janet

 
 
 

Smith: SLC Ice Dance Plot

Post by Tracy Johnso » Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:26:38

Quote:

> Perhaps B/K were doomed to 4th place at Olys even
> without the fall. Very interesting.........

I think they were, because even with the fall, when you consider that F-P&M, who
took the bronze, also had a problem in the free dance and that B&K trailed them
throughout the competition to that point, it seems to me that B&K were slotted
into fourth place long before the Olympics started. F-P&M's error would've made
it harder for the judges to give them the bronze over B&K, but then B&K's error
saved them from another controversy by making it seem very justifiable to place
B&K fourth. Despite the fact that B&K's program and *both* partners' skating was
vastly superior to the Italians.

Tracy

 
 
 

Smith: SLC Ice Dance Plot

Post by Mind » Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:25:34

Quote:

> Big article in the Glove and Mail by Beverly Smith today about how ice
> dancing results were fixed for SLC. (As usual someone more computer
> literate than me will have to provide a link.)

> Please note that this article is sourced to a single unidentified
> individual, which makes me a little nervous, but anyway, here's what this
> source has to say:

"More than 10 witnesses saw burly Boris Chait, the disgruntled father
of ice dancer Galit Chait, threaten a coach and a couple of figure
skaters"

"A U.S. judge also received death threats after placing the Israelis
fourth behind the Lithuanians in the free dance, sources say."

"Witnesses said Boris Chait threatened two skaters who were
circulating the petition, "

"A source says that even the powerful Russian skating federation
president Valentin Piseev fears Chait, "

"Another source said Chait is a computer guru"

I see a lot of unidentified "sources" here. I assume these sources
don't want to be identified for fear of Boris Chait, but this could
mean some of the information is untrue. At this point, I do not see
them as rock solid facts.

"The source said Sunday that Canadians play skating's political games
badly."
"The Russians just want to win."

OK, so Russians won the World.
But why or how did Bourne and Kraatz won silver at the World in the
middle of fix fest? I mean, why were Bourne and Kraatz fix-proof,
unlike Lithuanians?

 
 
 

Smith: SLC Ice Dance Plot

Post by Robert Diste » Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:40:32


Quote:

> OK, so Russians won the World.
> But why or how did Bourne and Kraatz won silver at the World in the
> middle of fix fest? I mean, why were Bourne and Kraatz fix-proof,
> unlike Lithuanians?

Maybe the fixers don't want to push their luck. It would be a bit much
to jump C/S all the way to a silver when they've never won a World
bronze. The idea is to get them situated for 2006, so at this point they
can afford to be patient and not get greedy. I wouldn't look too good
for the Canadians to suddenly drop down to 3rd or 4th, especially since
they had a good chance of getting first place ordinals from some
non-bloc judges. It would really look fishy if a panel split 1-3 or 1-4,
plus the Canadian federation has its swords drawn right now, and I doubt
the bloc would want to rile them up too much.

Bob

 
 
 

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Post by <Mindy.. » Thu, 28 Mar 2002 04:26:03

Quote:

>Big article in the Glove and Mail by Beverly Smith today...

From her article, "Controversy triggers threats"
Vanagas said he and Drobiazko are retiring from the sport because "I am tired
of
the tears of my wife. I cannot look at her losing her nerves at every competition."

"At the beginning there were lots of tears, especially from my wife [Drobiazko],"
Vanagas said yesterday of their disappointment. "Everybody was coming and
calming her down. I was very disappointed seeing her crying and hearing her
ask
me: "What for are they doing that with us?"

Poor Margarita. It breaks my heart. It is a shame we see them leave the eligible
rank like this.

 
 
 

Smith: SLC Ice Dance Plot

Post by Lorrie K » Thu, 28 Mar 2002 05:17:44


Quote:

>I see a lot of unidentified "sources" here.

        Or maybe two.

Quote:
>I assume these sources
>don't want to be identified for fear of Boris Chait, but this could
>mean some of the information is untrue. At this point, I do not see
>them as rock solid facts.

        Most of the uncredited allegations seemed plausible to me, but
Unnamed Source lost me when they claimed that if Slutskaya were from a
non-powerful country, she wouldn't even be in the top five.  Huh?  

                                        Lorrie Kim