More MITF observations -- BXO to back extension

More MITF observations -- BXO to back extension

Post by e-skat » Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:40:34


Has anyone noticed that some skaters who do the BXO's to back
extension move stay on a bent knee through the whole extension--and
others begin the extension on a bent knee, then rise to a straight
knee (so that you look temporarily like the finishing slingshot
posture of power circle XO's---except you are on an BO edge).

I am wondering if there is a preference.  I have heard that pushing
onto the B outside edge on a bent knee for first part of extension,
then rising to straight skating leg for second part of extension, is
harder to do. I find it easier to remain down in the knee, but maybe
it's because I don't have solid enough technique to "rise up"......

 
 
 

More MITF observations -- BXO to back extension

Post by Joanna Tsang Ramber » Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:14:37

I've never seen this myself.  Then again, I'm not particularly watching
for this aspect of the move.  I always have kept my skating leg BENT
throughout the entire move b/c I don't want to go on my toe pick and
slow down/stop.  Besides that, I need the stability...  :-P

Cheers,
Joanna

Quote:

> Has anyone noticed that some skaters who do the BXO's to back
> extension move stay on a bent knee through the whole extension--and
> others begin the extension on a bent knee, then rise to a straight
> knee (so that you look temporarily like the finishing slingshot
> posture of power circle XO's---except you are on an BO edge).

> I am wondering if there is a preference.  I have heard that pushing
> onto the B outside edge on a bent knee for first part of extension,
> then rising to straight skating leg for second part of extension, is
> harder to do. I find it easier to remain down in the knee, but maybe
> it's because I don't have solid enough technique to "rise up"......

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More MITF observations -- BXO to back extension

Post by jslyo » Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:36:00

One of the "principles" (for lack of a better word) of this move is to help
train and strengthen the "landing position" albeit on both sides. (I know
some coaches teaching it to kids who call it that ... "the landing position"
move.)

In 4 years of watching MIF tests, in my neck of the woods, I have rarely
seen anyone finish each sequence of the pattern on an almost straight knee.
Not saying it can't or shouldn't be done... The 2 big technique differences
I see where I'm at involve the shoulder/hip position, and either one is
correct.  Some coaches have the skater finish each sequence with the
shoulders in something very close to true landing position.  Other coaches
have the skater finish each sequence with the shoulders counter-rotated
(i.e. free body side opened out).  Out of curiousity I asked a local judge,
and was advised that either approach is correct... (opening out the free
side and controlling the skating edge is often harder for many skaters at
Preliminary test level, though).

What I was advised to do in a critique was to really power through the
move... besides focusing on the extension.

--jsl



Quote:
> I've never seen this myself.  Then again, I'm not particularly watching
> for this aspect of the move.  I always have kept my skating leg BENT
> throughout the entire move b/c I don't want to go on my toe pick and
> slow down/stop.  Besides that, I need the stability...  :-P

> Cheers,
> Joanna


> > Has anyone noticed that some skaters who do the BXO's to back
> > extension move stay on a bent knee through the whole extension--and
> > others begin the extension on a bent knee, then rise to a straight
> > knee (so that you look temporarily like the finishing slingshot
> > posture of power circle XO's---except you are on an BO edge).

> > I am wondering if there is a preference.  I have heard that pushing
> > onto the B outside edge on a bent knee for first part of extension,
> > then rising to straight skating leg for second part of extension, is
> > harder to do. I find it easier to remain down in the knee, but maybe
> > it's because I don't have solid enough technique to "rise up"......

> --

> Reply to me at "jramberg" at <that email site at Microsoft>
> Don't want no scrubs (or SPAM!!!) :-)


 
 
 

More MITF observations -- BXO to back extension

Post by Doris Penndor » Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:41:30

My coach just introduced this move.  The key things she noted for me was to
gently rise up (but not necessarily to a straight leg per se) to a count of
4 as I aim for the opposite barrier, then change to an inside edge as I drop
my free leg down into the start of the next crossover.  I perceive that the
gentle rise also presses the blade into the ice more to maintain speed, it
also steadies my balance and lean - just my observation.


Quote:
> Has anyone noticed that some skaters who do the BXO's to back
> extension move stay on a bent knee through the whole extension--and
> others begin the extension on a bent knee, then rise to a straight
> knee (so that you look temporarily like the finishing slingshot
> posture of power circle XO's---except you are on an BO edge).

> I am wondering if there is a preference.  I have heard that pushing
> onto the B outside edge on a bent knee for first part of extension,
> then rising to straight skating leg for second part of extension, is
> harder to do. I find it easier to remain down in the knee, but maybe
> it's because I don't have solid enough technique to "rise up"......