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Post by Virginia Blalo » Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>Morry learned about Tara's withdrawal from the internet... Team Tara neglected
>to inform USFSA prior to announcement. History of the grandmother clause to
>the age limit, more on rift in autumn between Team Tara & Callaghan

I guess I wonder why Team Tara felt they had to notify Mike Burg
before Richard Callaghan and the USFSA. I would put my agent last on a
short list of people to notify..

***ia
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Post by PegLewi » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Morry learned about Tara's withdrawal from the internet... Team Tara neglected
to inform USFSA prior to announcement. History of the grandmother clause to
the age limit, more on rift in autumn between Team Tara & Callaghan

AOL:
 <A HREF="aol://4344:106.S807103f.6970270.574170074">03/12: DID LIPINSKI
FORGET FOLKS WHO AIDED GOLD QUEST?</A>
aol://4344:106.S807103f.6970270.574170074

Web:
(search at bottom of page, search article title, above, or "Tara Lipinski")
  <A HREF="http://www.chicago.tribune.com/">WEB The Chicago Tribune</A>
http://www.chicago.tribune.com/

Peg

 
 
 

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Post by Sarah Weinma » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Morry learned about Tara's withdrawal from the internet... Team Tara neglected
> to inform USFSA prior to announcement. History of the grandmother clause to
> the age limit, more on rift in autumn between Team Tara & Callaghan

I posted the full URL.  It was quite an article....it made clear the fact that
Phil has little against Tara herself, but against her entourage.  That Craig
Muritzi thing sent a chill up my spine......

Then again, as long as we don't get the full "Jeff DiGregorio:  My Story"  I
suppose things aren't so bad....

Sarah

 
 
 

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Post by Rick Bla » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Couldn't one also take the view that the age limit is tyrranical and
should be done away altogether? That's just yet another negative
article about Tara. I don't think she owes jack to the USFSA. They
seem to be a bunch of petty tyrants. Did the USFSA pay for her
enormous training expenses? Did the USFSA drive her to skate practice
every day? Did the USFSA pay for her travel expenses? Shyea Right!
Why have any age limits. Why not just let the best skaters skate,
regardless of age and how long they've been competing.

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Post by Skt3 » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00

The USFSA was not the one who implemented the age restrictions.  In fact it was
Morry Stillwell who fought for days
with the ISU members so that Tara got "grandfathered".  Yes
the USFSA has reimbursed some of Tara's training expenses
and has given her more support than I feel she was worth.
But I can see that you are a zealot when it comes to Tara
so I won't go into what I really know about Team Lipinski.

 
 
 

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Post by JennWa12 » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00

That's just yet another negative article about Tara. I don't think she owes
jack to the USFSA. They seem to be a bunch of petty tyrants. Did the USFSA pay
for her enormous training expenses? Did the USFSA drive her to skate practice
every day? Did the USFSA pay for her travel expenses? Shyea Right!

Hmm...Rick, I think you really  might want to check with the USFSA about this.
I think you will be quite surprised.
Jennifer

 
 
 

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Post by lutzl.. » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Tecnically, it's true that Tara doesn't owe the USFSA anything.
Unless they worked out a deal beforehand, that is.  It sounds like
they didn't.  And I doubt the USFSA cared oh-so much about Tara that
they worked out a deal with the ISU so she could be "grandfathered"
in.  They were thinking about their organization, first and above all
else.  They did a favor to Tara, yes, but that was just a secondary
consequence.  Just like Tara did a favor to the USFSA by helping her
team get three placements this year, but I honestly doubt that was her
main concern.  The USFSA doesn't owe her anything for that; in fact,
it was quite debatable if they would have placed her on the Olympic
team if she had finished 4th at Nationals.  

Also, I kind of find it amusing that Tara should be grateful to
Nicole.  Why stop there?   Should Michelle and Tara be grateful to the
other Ladies for lacking talent or for blowing off practices, making
it easy for them to always place 1-2 at events?   Yeah, I can see Tara
sending Nicole a card every year:  "Thanks for making those poor
decisions in 1995-1996!"

Lutzloop


Quote:

>Couldn't one also take the view that the age limit is tyrranical and
>should be done away altogether? That's just yet another negative
>article about Tara. I don't think she owes jack to the USFSA. They
>seem to be a bunch of petty tyrants. Did the USFSA pay for her
>enormous training expenses? Did the USFSA drive her to skate practice
>every day? Did the USFSA pay for her travel expenses? Shyea Right!
>Why have any age limits. Why not just let the best skaters skate,
>regardless of age and how long they've been competing.

>--- Delete "nospam." to e-mail ---

 
 
 

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Post by Revjoel » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>Tecnically, it's true that Tara doesn't owe the USFSA anything

She did owe them more than finding out through the news that she was going to
miss the Worlds. Simple courtesy  But this really was the responsibility of the
***s around her!  She was busy going to the dentest, the doctor, ect.  

Joelle

The most important things in life are people--not medals"

Scott Hamilton to Todd Eldredge

 
 
 

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Post by Karl Joll » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Yes
>the USFSA has reimbursed some of Tara's training expenses
>and has given her more support than I feel she was worth.

A strange phrase to use of a skater who before attaining her majority is
World and Olympic Champion, surely it was with these aims in mind that the
USFSA supported her, and she has proven their faith in her correct.

I do feel it was wrong not to inform the USFSA immediately of her decision
not to compete, but I feel that Tara's only obligation should be to herself.

A few years ago we had a British skater, who after a promising start fell
apart, IMO, due in many ways to the pressure placed upon her by the national
skating association. She felt obliged to keep competing while not mentally
prepared, she was given a grant to train in the US thousands of miles away
from her friends and family. I wish she had had the strength to say I do not
feel 100% I want some time at home with my family. I know she wasn't at the
same level as Tara but she was seen in this country as the successor to
Curry, Cousins,T&D. I saw her on TV last month, her closing words were "well
that's it I'm a failure", a sad indictment of the pressure placed on these
young girls.

 
 
 

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Post by Kaij » Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:00:00

 other skater.

Quote:

> And, candidly, there's no one here with the authorization to speak on
> behalf of USFSA anyway.  Just a few very large egoes who think they
> can preach to skaters while sitting on their butts at the computer.

> Pathetic.

No.  You're pathetic.

Quite a number of those posting here are members of the USFSA.  We have as
much right to speak about the organizations' purpose and goals as anyone.
Quite a number of us also have a strong sense of team playing and
responsibility...which is apparently a quality young people today are sorely
lacking.

The negative reactions Tara is receiving are owned by her as much as she owns
the raves.  Deal with it.

Kaiju

 
 
 

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Post by Fiona McQuarr » Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:00:00

: >Tecnically, it's true that Tara doesn't owe the USFSA anything

: She did owe them more than finding out through the news that she was going to
: miss the Worlds. Simple courtesy  But this really was the responsibility of the
: ***s around her!  She was busy going to the dentest, the doctor, ect.  

And to the Grammies, parties, corporate sponsor meetings....

Cheers, Fiona
(who basically agrees with the Rev's point about the ***s'
responsibilities)

 
 
 

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Post by lutzl.. » Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>>Tecnically, it's true that Tara doesn't owe the USFSA anything

>She did owe them more than finding out through the news that she was going to
>miss the Worlds. Simple courtesy  But this really was the responsibility of the
>***s around her!  She was busy going to the dentest, the doctor, ect.  

True, but I was talking about her "obligation" to go to Worlds to help
secure 3 spots on next year's team.  Maybe the USFSA will rewrite the
rules some:  if we find out you're withdrawing through the net, you'll
be punished (somehow).  We'll call this the Lipinski rule :)0

Lutzloop (not knowing the contracts and actual obligations involved
when you are named to the World team)

Quote:

>The most important things in life are people--not medals"

>Scott Hamilton to Todd Eldredge

 
 
 

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Post by lutzl.. » Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

>>Morry learned about Tara's withdrawal from the internet... Team Tara neglected
>>to inform USFSA prior to announcement. History of the grandmother clause to
>>the age limit, more on rift in autumn between Team Tara & Callaghan

>I guess I wonder why Team Tara felt they had to notify Mike Burg
>before Richard Callaghan and the USFSA. I would put my agent last on a
>short list of people to notify.

I know, isn't it baffling?   Are the other (skating ) agents wondering
if Burg is giving them a bad name?  

Lutzloop (truly concerned the Lipinski's are willing to dump coaches,
but not their agent)

 
 
 

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Post by Che » Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:00:00

On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:50:06 -0000, "Karl Jolly"

Quote:


>>Yes
>>the USFSA has reimbursed some of Tara's training expenses
>>and has given her more support than I feel she was worth.

>A strange phrase to use of a skater who before attaining her majority is
>World and Olympic Champion, surely it was with these aims in mind that the
>USFSA supported her, and she has proven their faith in her correct.

Tara has helped give America two out of three gold medals. Seems to me
that ANYTHING USFSA has done for her has been repaid.  They didnt do
the WORK for her.  They didnt cancel all other enjoyable activities.
She did all that, all the sweat, all the discipline.

They don't own her life or that of ANY other skater.

And, candidly, there's no one here with the authorization to speak on
behalf of USFSA anyway.  Just a few very large egoes who think they
can preach to skaters while sitting on their butts at the computer.

Pathetic.

 
 
 

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Post by PegLew » Sat, 14 Mar 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>And, candidly, there's no one here with the authorization to speak on
>behalf of USFSA anyway.  Just a few very large egoes who think they
>can preach to skaters while sitting on their butts at the computer.

>Pathetic.

pot. kettle. black.

Peg, who actually sometimes stands at her computer, exercising while waiting
for skating web pages to load


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