Moskvina: We didn't put sand in anyone's boots

Moskvina: We didn't put sand in anyone's boots

Post by N » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 00:05:54


Below please see Tamara Moskvina's interview with a Russian newspaper
"Argumenty i Fakty." I don't know what the date of it was, so it may
have been posted before. In reference to the collision, what you need
to know to understand the context is that during the Olympics, the
Russian fans were disgusted with one-sided NBC coverage of the warm-up
collision. They thought it was outrageous that Jamie was presumed to
be the only one hurt, and Anton was thought to be "made of stone." In
the heat of the moment, some people online suggested it may have been
intentional on Jamie's part, but they were subdued by the reasonable
majority who agreed it was, of course, only accidental, but Anton
should have gotten his share of attention and sympathy from the media.

Tamara Moskvina: We didn't put sand in anyone's boots

The Salt Lake City triumph of Elena Berezhnaya and Anton Sikharulidze
was the fourth in the Olympic medal count of Tamara Moskvina, a famous
Russian figure skating coach.

Q. How upset were you by the pair skating scandal?
A. Whenever the results are decided by one vote or one hundredth of a
second, the second-ranked wants to know why and what for. For
instance, when we were deprived of our medals (or kept away from them)
at the last worlds in Vancouver, we felt pretty bad. But we never
accused anyone of biased judging or blamed Canadians for holding the
worlds and the Grand Prix Final in their home country to take
advantage of the home field and fans. So my take on that is that there
is no use crying over spilt milk..

Q. What was Lena and Anton's reaction?
A. They were pretty upset at first because they thought the scandal is
directed against them personally. Eventually, I persuaded them that
they did their part, and that was the most important thing. Their long
program really was the most beautiful, artistic and musical, with more
difficult lifts, steps etc. "Did you skate well? Yes, you did," I told
them. "Do you really believe you robbed someone? You didn't. You
didn't slam into the Canadian lady during warm up she slammed into
you. You didn't put sand into anyone's boots. So chill out."

Q. Speaking of, was Anton hurt by the collision?
A. He was a bit hurt his left forearm was bruised. Of course, it
would be ridiculous to call that a reason for his error during the
long program. However, the collision did shake them up because they
didn't get a chance to warm up two of their difficult elements. We
were prepared for anything, but could never in our dreams imagine that
collisions can occur during the warm-up of the best pairs in the
world.

Q. Do you see the Olympic medals won by your students as your own?
A. Personally, I don't have any Olympic medals. My students, however,
have four. Elena  Valova and Oleg Vassiliev in 1984. Dmitriev and
Mishkutenok in 1992, Dmitriev and Kazakova in 1998, and now Lena and
Anton.

Q. What do you think of a recent rumor that Rudolf Zagaynov allegedly
hypnotized Yagudin to win, and Plushenko, to lose?
A. I don't believe that the psychologist who works with one athlete
can damage the nerves of the other, as it is alleged Zagaynov did to
Plushenko. The only thing a psychologist can do is to make this
patient a bit stronger. Let's look at a closer example Ludmila
Velikova and her students Maria Petrova and Alexey Tikhonov. All of
them are unhappy with my fourth Olympic win.  So why can't they hurt
my stability and keep me from winning, considering their close
relationship with a great professional, a psychology department chair
in the Lesgaft Institute, which is also Zagaynov's alma mater?  And
besides, if that was so easy, why don't other people use this method?
In my opinion, Plushenko was simply under too much pressure for his 19
years of age, and that's the reason he buckled.

 
 
 

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Post by MyRomanHolid » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 02:58:58

The coverage of the collision was infuriating. NBC couldn't be more concerned
about Jamie and less concerned about Anton. I realize that they were following
the "good Canadians" vs. "bad Russians" script from day one, but come on...

 
 
 

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Post by MyRomanHolid » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 04:20:03

Quote:
>Might it also have been due to the fact that she was flat on the ice and he

was skating around, apparently unhurt, and apparently unconcerned? >

What do you mean by "apparently unconcerned"? Anton immediately skated over to
Jamie, talked to her, and helped her up.

 
 
 

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Post by cmh.. » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 03:55:17



Quote:
>The coverage of the collision was infuriating. NBC couldn't be more
>concerned about Jamie and less concerned about Anton. I realize that they
>were following the "good Canadians" vs. "bad Russians" script from day
>one, but come on...

Might it also have been due to the fact that she was flat on the ice and
he was skating around, apparently unhurt, and apparently unconcerned? Or
that he outweighs her considerably? At the time, it looked like she was
the one who was injured more, and the commentary may have reflected that.
All things considered, it looked more like S&P's fault than B&S's, but it
was an accident.

--
Chris M. Hall, Assistant Research Scientist
Dept. of Geological Sciences, University of Michigan

Quando omni flunkus moritati

 
 
 

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Post by MASH » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 07:16:15

Quote:
>>Might it also have been due to the fact that she was flat on the ice and he
>was skating around, apparently unhurt, and apparently unconcerned? >

>What do you mean by "apparently unconcerned"?

I'd wager he meant "unconcerned" about himself, but then...

I personally think it is a gender thing, not to mention being hit in the solar
plexis by an elbow/arm is going to be much more dramatic than is getting hit in
the arm.

SallyH

 
 
 

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Post by SkateSand » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:27:38

I personally think it is a gender thing, not to mention being hit in the solar
plexis by an elbow/arm is going to be much more dramatic than is getting hit in
the arm.>>

That's EXACTLY what it was. A gender thing pure and simple. If David had
crashed into Lena, believe me that the coverage would have focussed on waifish,
doe-eyed Lena - with a rehash of her bad luck with collisions and the story of
her former partner's blade slicing her head open.

Definitely played up as a female/male thing, not East vs. West.

 
 
 

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Post by Altheal » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:41:32

Quote:
>Might it also have been due to the fact that she was flat on the ice and he

was skating around, apparently unhurt, and apparently unconcerned? Or that he
outweighs her considerably?>

And that she was female and he was male.

Though, honestly, if it had been Pelletier and Elena, I wouldn't be surprised
if NBC had speculated about how the crash affected *both* individuals....it
wouldn't have been quite so one-sided.  But that just makes sense to me that it
would be somewhat one-sided -- NBC is broadcasting to people in the U.S. and
some in Canada, and that population is more likely to be rooting for the
Canadians.

And the reality is that if the 7th place team had fallen we would have never
seen it.   There *are* teams that are of more interest to broadcasters than
others.

My problem with that sort of one-sidedness is not that it exists occasionally
-- I expect to be shown, for instance, a 10th place U.S. skater but not
necessarily a 10th place German skater (hey, I wish I could see both, but it's
not Eurosport.)  My problem is just when it changes the ability of the
commentators to provide valuable information about the program they're actually
watching (and I'm talking in general -- not only or even about this particular
competition).

(I agree that it was an accident).

-- Kate

 
 
 

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Post by bagelpu » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 10:32:33

Quote:

> Q. Do you see the Olympic medals won by your students as your own?
> A. Personally, I don't have any Olympic medals. My students, however,
> have four. Elena  Valova and Oleg Vassiliev in 1984. Dmitriev and
> Mishkutenok in 1992, Dmitriev and Kazakova in 1998, and now Lena and
> Anton.

Didn't D&M win 2 Oly medals?  Gold in 92 and silver in 94?  So that makes 5...
 
 
 

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Post by hiki » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 10:48:23

Quote:

> That's EXACTLY what it was. A gender thing pure and simple. If David had
> crashed into Lena, believe me that the coverage would have focussed on waifish,
> doe-eyed Lena - with a rehash of her bad luck with collisions and the story of
> her former partner's blade slicing her head open.

> Definitely played up as a female/male thing, not East vs. West.

      I strongly doubt, not from NBC at least(may be CBS).  If David had
      crashed into Elena, the coverage would probably not be focused exclusively
      on Elena like the case of Jamie.  Why would NBC have any pity for
      "evil Russians" who screwed the "cute Canadians"?
 
 
 

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Post by hiki » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 10:52:07

NN, Thanks very much for taking the time to post this article.  I have
read it
a couple months ago but your translation is a lot better.
 
 
 

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Post by Pat » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 11:19:59

Quote:


>> That's EXACTLY what it was. A gender thing pure and simple. If David had
>> crashed into Lena, believe me that the coverage would have focussed on waifish,
>> doe-eyed Lena - with a rehash of her bad luck with collisions and the story of
>> her former partner's blade slicing her head open.

>> Definitely played up as a female/male thing, not East vs. West.

>      I strongly doubt, not from NBC at least(may be CBS).  If David had
>      crashed into Elena, the coverage would probably not be focused exclusively
>      on Elena like the case of Jamie.  Why would NBC have any pity for
>      "evil Russians" who screwed the "cute Canadians"?

And from the Canadian perspective of Paul Martini and Barbara
Underhill - pair skaters themselves I believe....;)

It was an accident, neither one was looking.
That if you are the  male pair skater, you go over to see how the lady
faired.  It is a matter of mass, Anton does weight more than Jaimee.
And if it would have been reversed, with Elena and David, it would
have been played the same, on CBC anyway.

And that Moscvina, she likes to keep the pot boiling doesn't she?  
Give it up woman.  

I realize that I watched the CBC version of this, not the NBC.  It's
unfortunate that NBC always have to have an *intense* rivalry.  But
don't they do in other sports as well?  

Pat C  

http://www.skatemusiclist.com

 
 
 

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Post by Amy or Bria » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:09:52


Quote:


> >> That's EXACTLY what it was. A gender thing pure and simple. If David
had
> >> crashed into Lena, believe me that the coverage would have focussed on
waifish,
> >> doe-eyed Lena - with a rehash of her bad luck with collisions and the
story of
> >> her former partner's blade slicing her head open.

> >> Definitely played up as a female/male thing, not East vs. West.

> >      I strongly doubt, not from NBC at least(may be CBS).  If David had
> >      crashed into Elena, the coverage would probably not be focused
exclusively
> >      on Elena like the case of Jamie.  Why would NBC have any pity for
> >      "evil Russians" who screwed the "cute Canadians"?

> And from the Canadian perspective of Paul Martini and Barbara
> Underhill - pair skaters themselves I believe....;)

> It was an accident, neither one was looking.
> That if you are the  male pair skater, you go over to see how the lady
> faired.  It is a matter of mass, Anton does weight more than Jaimee.
> And if it would have been reversed, with Elena and David, it would
> have been played the same, on CBC anyway.

> And that Moscvina, she likes to keep the pot boiling doesn't she?
> Give it up woman.

> I realize that I watched the CBC version of this, not the NBC.  It's
> unfortunate that NBC always have to have an *intense* rivalry.  But
> don't they do in other sports as well?

> Pat C

They don't have Scott Hamilton covering the other sports.  Years ago, before
ABC got the Worlds, NBC had that.....I always thought NBC had the worst
skating coverage of the three major American networks, and ABC the best.
There was more of a balance, then, though, because ABC had Nationals with
Fleming and Button, NBC had Worlds with Bezic and*** Enberg, and CBS had
the Olympics with Hamilton and Verne Lundquist (who in my opinion is so
hackneyed that he makes Hamilton's aphorisms look original).   However,
those opinions aside, the only time I've seen "intense rivalry" really
played up (rather than just extant) was in the Olympic coverage with
Hamilton.  That could be because it's the Olympics, but having seen other
sports, I'm more inclined to think it had something to do with the people
involved in the skating coverage ;)

-Amy

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Quote:

> http://SportToday.org/

 
 
 

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Post by Amy or Bria » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:12:20

Valova and Vassiliev won the silver in 88 as well, and B&S won silver in
98......I suspect Moskvina was referring to GOLD medals only, but that this
didn't get translated right.

-Amy


Quote:

> > Q. Do you see the Olympic medals won by your students as your own?
> > A. Personally, I don't have any Olympic medals. My students, however,
> > have four. Elena  Valova and Oleg Vassiliev in 1984. Dmitriev and
> > Mishkutenok in 1992, Dmitriev and Kazakova in 1998, and now Lena and
> > Anton.

> Didn't D&M win 2 Oly medals?  Gold in 92 and silver in 94?  So that makes

5...
 
 
 

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Post by WIsi » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:45:45

Quote:
>Didn't D&M win 2 Oly medals?  Gold in 92 and silver in 94?  So that makes
>5...

Well, if you are counting medals, didn't she also coach Elena Bechke and Denis
Petrov, who won silver in 1992?
 
 
 

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Post by manh » Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:02:53



Quote:





> > >> That's EXACTLY what it was. A gender thing pure and simple. If David
> had
> > >> crashed into Lena, believe me that the coverage would have focussed
on
> waifish,
> > >> doe-eyed Lena - with a rehash of her bad luck with collisions and the
> story of
> > >> her former partner's blade slicing her head open.

> > >> Definitely played up as a female/male thing, not East vs. West.

> > >      I strongly doubt, not from NBC at least(may be CBS).  If David
had
> > >      crashed into Elena, the coverage would probably not be focused
> exclusively
> > >      on Elena like the case of Jamie.  Why would NBC have any pity for
> > >      "evil Russians" who screwed the "cute Canadians"?

> > And from the Canadian perspective of Paul Martini and Barbara
> > Underhill - pair skaters themselves I believe....;)

> > It was an accident, neither one was looking.
> > That if you are the  male pair skater, you go over to see how the lady
> > faired.  It is a matter of mass, Anton does weight more than Jaimee.
> > And if it would have been reversed, with Elena and David, it would
> > have been played the same, on CBC anyway.

> > And that Moscvina, she likes to keep the pot boiling doesn't she?
> > Give it up woman.

> > I realize that I watched the CBC version of this, not the NBC.  It's
> > unfortunate that NBC always have to have an *intense* rivalry.  But
> > don't they do in other sports as well?

> > Pat C

> They don't have Scott Hamilton covering the other sports.

That's because figure skating is the marquee sport of the Olympics for the
States. It's harder to establish rivalries in cross-country skiing. In
Canada, it's hockey, and the rivalries promoted between the US and Canadian
women's hockey team, and the Canadian men's team and every other hockey team
in the world.

Quote:
> Years ago, before
> ABC got the Worlds, NBC had that.....I always thought NBC had the worst
> skating coverage of the three major American networks, and ABC the best.
> There was more of a balance, then, though, because ABC had Nationals with
> Fleming and Button,

Bleh.

Quote:
> However,
> those opinions aside, the only time I've seen "intense rivalry" really
> played up (rather than just extant) was in the Olympic coverage with
> Hamilton.

I don't remember Hamilton doing commentary during the Battle of the Brians
and the Battle of the Carmens.

Lewis.