A call for assistance. Making a standardized test for home goggle testing.

A call for assistance. Making a standardized test for home goggle testing.

Post by RevHeywoo » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00


I'm sure most of you have heard about why I'm now chin deep. Well I want
help getting out.

I would like as much help as possible from you (rec.sport.paintball) to
make a standard test that can be performed by any Joe Paintballers. So
far this is just an idea as I don't have the time right now to implement
it.
(I'll be able to do it tonight and in the following days)

Tonight I'll write up a rough draft of how the test should be performed.
Then I'll make it available on a semi public basis. (for details read
on) Then it will be revised. And revised again. And revised yet again
until it can't get any better.

If you would like to help in this then please contact me. (Any of the
ways in my sig are great, if you really have to you can use

Lets debunk what I've done, (It's just too scary to be true) and setup
the standards for home goggle testing.

--
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For pity sake, man, just keep running!

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Post by Michae » Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Most goggle manufactures shoot their goggles with 12ga shotguns at a
specific range (20ft I think) with a particular load and shot size to see
how the lenses hold up. It lets them know how it will hold up against
something traveling faster than a paintball ever will. This way they know
it's safe for paintball. Then they throw the lens away because it's ruined.
All tests to check strength are destructive. You have to push something
beyond what it will take to see just where it's breaking-point is. My point
to this. A home test of goggles is stupid. If you buy a goggle from Scott or
JT you know they will take a paintball. The only way to check your lenses is
to inspect them and replace them if there are any scratches that you can
feel with your finger tip. The tiny scratches that make the lens look "foggy
or dull" are really just an annoyance.

Michael

Quote:

> I'm sure most of you have heard about why I'm now chin deep. Well I want
> help getting out.

> I would like as much help as possible from you (rec.sport.paintball) to
> make a standard test that can be performed by any Joe Paintballers. So
> far this is just an idea as I don't have the time right now to implement
> it.
> (I'll be able to do it tonight and in the following days)

> Tonight I'll write up a rough draft of how the test should be performed.
> Then I'll make it available on a semi public basis. (for details read
> on) Then it will be revised. And revised again. And revised yet again
> until it can't get any better.

> If you would like to help in this then please contact me. (Any of the
> ways in my sig are great, if you really have to you can use

> Lets debunk what I've done, (It's just too scary to be true) and setup
> the standards for home goggle testing.

> --
> -RevHeywood              aka Ryan Phillips

> Ways of contacting RevHeywood,

> ICQ       : 964323 RevHeywood
> AOL IM    : RevHeywood
> Home Page : http://SportToday.org/

> WWOPG 0218   TOG 091   POG# 400

> You Make A Gnarly Run Like That, And Girls Will Go Sterile Just Looking
> At You!

> I'm standing there with my Pocket Howitzer pointed at you.
> Don't ask, just run.
> Don't look behind you, I'm still there.
> For pity sake, man, just keep running!

> DISCLAIMER:

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Post by Gatort.. » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Well small fast things will produce different results.
They probably never tested for larger slower objects being repeated.
Which led to the lens coming off the mask, exposing the eyes.
I would rather have Rev's home test than a shot gun test from 20 ft.



Quote:
>Most goggle manufactures shoot their goggles with 12ga shotguns at a
>specific range (20ft I think) with a particular load and shot size to see
>how the lenses hold up. It lets them know how it will hold up against
>something traveling faster than a paintball ever will. This way they know
>it's safe for paintball. Then they throw the lens away because it's ruined.
>All tests to check strength are destructive. You have to push something
>beyond what it will take to see just where it's breaking-point is. My point
>to this. A home test of goggles is stupid. If you buy a goggle from Scott or
>JT you know they will take a paintball. The only way to check your lenses is
>to inspect them and replace them if there are any scratches that you can
>feel with your finger tip. The tiny scratches that make the lens look "foggy
>or dull" are really just an annoyance.

>Michael


>> I'm sure most of you have heard about why I'm now chin deep. Well I want
>> help getting out.

>> I would like as much help as possible from you (rec.sport.paintball) to
>> make a standard test that can be performed by any Joe Paintballers. So
>> far this is just an idea as I don't have the time right now to implement
>> it.
>> (I'll be able to do it tonight and in the following days)

>> Tonight I'll write up a rough draft of how the test should be performed.
>> Then I'll make it available on a semi public basis. (for details read
>> on) Then it will be revised. And revised again. And revised yet again
>> until it can't get any better.

>> If you would like to help in this then please contact me. (Any of the
>> ways in my sig are great, if you really have to you can use

>> Lets debunk what I've done, (It's just too scary to be true) and setup
>> the standards for home goggle testing.

>> --
>> -RevHeywood              aka Ryan Phillips

>> Ways of contacting RevHeywood,

>> ICQ       : 964323 RevHeywood
>> AOL IM    : RevHeywood
>> Home Page : http://SportToday.org/

>> WWOPG 0218   TOG 091   POG# 400

>> You Make A Gnarly Run Like That, And Girls Will Go Sterile Just Looking
>> At You!

>> I'm standing there with my Pocket Howitzer pointed at you.
>> Don't ask, just run.
>> Don't look behind you, I'm still there.
>> For pity sake, man, just keep running!

>> DISCLAIMER:

>> characters in length. All the rest gets cut off. Plus any unsolicited
>> e-mail adverti***ts for commercial or non-commercial purposes sent to
>> the person listed above will be considered a request for the sender to
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>> of this agreement.

Gator

 
 
 

A call for assistance. Making a standardized test for home goggle testing.

Post by Tim Adderhold » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>Well small fast things will produce different results.
>They probably never tested for larger slower objects being repeated.
>Which led to the lens coming off the mask, exposing the eyes.
>I would rather have Rev's home test than a shot gun test from 20 ft.

Yeah, that's what I say too.

Quote:


>>Most goggle manufactures shoot their goggles with 12ga shotguns at a
>>specific range (20ft I think) with a particular load and shot size to see
>>how the lenses hold up.

I don't play with a shotgun, I use a paintgun.

Quote:
>It lets them know how it will hold up against something traveling faster

than a paintball ever will. This way they know

Quote:
>>it's safe for paintball.

Tells you nothing about it will hold up against a paintball, though. Speed
and energy are different properties.

Quote:
>>Then they throw the lens away because it's ruined.

Really?

Quote:
>>All tests to check strength are destructive. You have to push something
>>beyond what it will take to see just where it's breaking-point is. My
point
>>to this. A home test of goggles is stupid.

No it isn't. It's testing to see if the product you bought will indeed do
what it's supposed to do, and that's to prevent your eyeball from getting
blown out of your head in the event of a chain of events leading to an
incident.

Tim

Quote:
>If you buy a goggle from Scott or
>>JT you know they will take a paintball. The only way to check your lenses
is
>>to inspect them and replace them if there are any scratches that you can
>>feel with your finger tip. The tiny scratches that make the lens look
"foggy
>>or dull" are really just an annoyance.

>>Michael


>>> I'm sure most of you have heard about why I'm now chin deep. Well I want
>>> help getting out.

>>> I would like as much help as possible from you (rec.sport.paintball) to
>>> make a standard test that can be performed by any Joe Paintballers. So
>>> far this is just an idea as I don't have the time right now to implement
>>> it.
>>> (I'll be able to do it tonight and in the following days)

>>> Tonight I'll write up a rough draft of how the test should be performed.
>>> Then I'll make it available on a semi public basis. (for details read
>>> on) Then it will be revised. And revised again. And revised yet again
>>> until it can't get any better.

>>> If you would like to help in this then please contact me. (Any of the
>>> ways in my sig are great, if you really have to you can use

>>> Lets debunk what I've done, (It's just too scary to be true) and setup
>>> the standards for home goggle testing.

>>> --
>>> -RevHeywood              aka Ryan Phillips

>>> Ways of contacting RevHeywood,

>>> ICQ       : 964323 RevHeywood
>>> AOL IM    : RevHeywood
>>> Home Page : http://SportToday.org/

>>> WWOPG 0218   TOG 091   POG# 400

>>> You Make A Gnarly Run Like That, And Girls Will Go Sterile Just Looking
>>> At You!

>>> I'm standing there with my Pocket Howitzer pointed at you.
>>> Don't ask, just run.
>>> Don't look behind you, I'm still there.
>>> For pity sake, man, just keep running!

>>> DISCLAIMER:

>>> characters in length. All the rest gets cut off. Plus any unsolicited
>>> e-mail adverti***ts for commercial or non-commercial purposes sent to
>>> the person listed above will be considered a request for the sender to
>>> receive 1000 copies of a 400+ word essay entitled : "The Evils Of Spam"
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>>> e-mail account of those who you would advertise for with spam e-mail.
>>> Receipt of ANY spam e-mail in ANY mailbox of RYAN PHILLIPS is acceptance
>>> of this agreement.

>Gator

 
 
 

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Post by Gary Dyrka » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00



.The only way to check your lenses is

Quote:
>to inspect them and replace them if there are any scratches that you can
>feel with your finger tip. The tiny scratches that make the lens look "foggy
>or dull" are really just an annoyance.

What do you base the last statement on?  From what little I know of
failure analysis, crack propagation (read material failure) is most
likely to occur at stress points.  A scratch creates  a stress point.
Now there are many reasons why a scratch may not lead to failure, but
I would still think it has a higher probability to failure than a nice
unblemished smooth surface.
Gary Dyrkacz

Radio Control Aircraft/Paintball Physics/Paintball for 40+
http://www.mcs.net/~dyrgcmn/
 
 
 

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Post by RevHeywoo » Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Geeze that's so well put out. Plus lets see... Oh yeah!!! I already did
that. The lens didn't break but it popped off. Now BE is hinting at
suing me.

You're little test idea (as good and sound as it may be) just won't cut
it.

Quote:

> test lenses?  crank ur gun to 450fps, shoot the lens 5-10 times rapid fire
> from 1 foot. if it doesn't crack, its not gooing to.
> jn

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I'm standing there with my Pocket Howitzer pointed at you.
Don't ask, just run.
Don't look behind you, I'm still there.
For pity sake, man, just keep running!

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Post by Joshua Newel » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

test lenses?  crank ur gun to 450fps, shoot the lens 5-10 times rapid fire
from 1 foot. if it doesn't crack, its not gooing to.
jn

Quote:
> I'm sure most of you have heard about why I'm now chin deep. Well I want
> help getting out.

> I would like as much help as possible from you (rec.sport.paintball) to
> make a standard test that can be performed by any Joe Paintballers. So
> far this is just an idea as I don't have the time right now to implement
> it.
> (I'll be able to do it tonight and in the following days)

> Tonight I'll write up a rough draft of how the test should be performed.
> Then I'll make it available on a semi public basis. (for details read
> on) Then it will be revised. And revised again. And revised yet again
> until it can't get any better.

> If you would like to help in this then please contact me. (Any of the
> ways in my sig are great, if you really have to you can use

> Lets debunk what I've done, (It's just too scary to be true) and setup
> the standards for home goggle testing.

> --
> -RevHeywood              aka Ryan Phillips

> Ways of contacting RevHeywood,

> ICQ       : 964323 RevHeywood
> AOL IM    : RevHeywood
> Home Page : http://SportToday.org/

> WWOPG 0218   TOG 091   POG# 400

> You Make A Gnarly Run Like That, And Girls Will Go Sterile Just Looking
> At You!

> I'm standing there with my Pocket Howitzer pointed at you.
> Don't ask, just run.
> Don't look behind you, I'm still there.
> For pity sake, man, just keep running!

> DISCLAIMER:

> characters in length. All the rest gets cut off. Plus any unsolicited
> e-mail adverti***ts for commercial or non-commercial purposes sent to
> the person listed above will be considered a request for the sender to
> receive 1000 copies of a 400+ word essay entitled : "The Evils Of Spam"
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Post by Kennedy Ho » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> What do you base the last statement on?  From what little I know of
> failure analysis, crack propagation (read material failure) is most
> likely to occur at stress points.  A scratch creates  a stress point.
> Now there are many reasons why a scratch may not lead to failure, but
> I would still think it has a higher probability to failure than a nice
> unblemished smooth surface.

First off, I will say your observation here is probably right on the mark.

On the other hand, in my case, I would agree with the original statement that
it's an annoyance because of my own real world observations.  I had a Vents lens
that was at least 2-3 years old, had scratches on it, and when it cracked, it
cracked where the hole for the nose pin was.  I don't recall any VISIBLE
scratches in that area, though I do know of scratches in other parts of the lens.

Speaking for myself, I would say all of my lenses have a scratch or two in them.
I don't throw away lenses on this basis (actually, I don't throw away lenses at
all, until they crack or get so blurry that vision is impaired, BUT I DO KNOW
THAT THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT THING TO DO).

Kennedy

--
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Post by Kennedy Ho » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> Now BE is hinting at suing me.

I'd be interested in knowing why BE is suing; my guess would be for slander or
something like that.  You're one guy in all of this, an easy target.  But if a
large number of people do your test, and get the same results, then that's a
different story.

Still, if a field did the same thing you did, and banned those goggles on their
field in the name of safety, I wonder if BE would still sue.

I remember a time back in '89 or '90 where my local field banned Cal Mag because
of a STORY that was circulating around that some kid got hit in the side of the
head with a Cal Mag ball, and was seriously injured.  Never heard what happened,
no details, no independent confirmation that I ever saw, but banned it was.  I
wrote a letter to Cal Mag about it, and got a letter back from Carla telling me
that the story was untrue.  The story itself was probably Urban Legend, but it
had serious ramifications business-wise because you had a commercial field
banning something in the name of safety.  IMHO, I see this BE issue in the same
light.

Kennedy

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Post by Gatort.. » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Is a hint the same thing as a threat?

On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:30:27 -0700, RevHeywood

Quote:

>Geeze that's so well put out. Plus lets see... Oh yeah!!! I already did
>that. The lens didn't break but it popped off. Now BE is hinting at
>suing me.

>You're little test idea (as good and sound as it may be) just won't cut
>it.


>> test lenses?  crank ur gun to 450fps, shoot the lens 5-10 times rapid fire
>> from 1 foot. if it doesn't crack, its not gooing to.
>> jn

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>You Make A Gnarly Run Like That, And Girls Will Go Sterile Just Looking
>At You!

>I'm standing there with my Pocket Howitzer pointed at you.
>Don't ask, just run.
>Don't look behind you, I'm still there.
>For pity sake, man, just keep running!

>DISCLAIMER:

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Post by Scott Romesbu » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


> > What do you base the last statement on?  From what little I know of
> > failure analysis, crack propagation (read material failure) is most
> > likely to occur at stress points.  A scratch creates  a stress point.
> > Now there are many reasons why a scratch may not lead to failure, but
> > I would still think it has a higher probability to failure than a nice
> > unblemished smooth surface.

Since he said a scratch you can't feel, I got the ide he was talking about
the kind of scratches that come from using cheap paper towels to clean a
mask, or when some sand is on the towel.

They may only be in the coating, or even if on the lens, they are not
going to affect the structural integrity.

You can feel pretty small scratches, so if he qualifies the scratch as
unfeelable, its probably not going to be a scratch that will affect the
lens' structural integrity.

--
Scott Romesburg

4 Talons, 1 Stingray, 1 Pro-Lite w/ 13" Armson barrell

 
 
 

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Post by RevHeywoo » Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Yes, but with a nice sugar coating.

Quote:

> Is a hint the same thing as a threat?

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Don't ask, just run.
Don't look behind you, I'm still there.
For pity sake, man, just keep running!

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