>For all you guys buying spyders let me give you a few things to think
>Within 1 hour both Spyders were down. Both from seal problems. We went to
>the field gun concession-run by Worr Game Products--and they didnt have
>them. Friends ended up renting AutoCockers at $25 a day--Almost the exact
>differance between the purchase price of the two guns. Of course my VM
>didn't go down but if it had the truck would have had parts because there
>are so many VM's out there.
OK. Let's base the entire analysis of a Spyder's reliability on your
friends' experience last weekend only. Let's just ignore all of the good
r.s.p. posts about the Spyder. Your friends' guns were down...so all
Spyder's suck. That makes sense.
I have *both* a VM and a Spyder and use the Spyder much more often. I
have had very few problems with the Spyder and a ton of headaches with the
VM. I spent two days straight, missing the Skirmish World Record Game,
trying to make my VM work. Even the guys at the Sheridan table there
couldn't make it work. I had to send it back to the factory and they didn't
seem to know what was wrong, either. They just replaced parts 'till it
I am not condemning all VM's out there. I still think it is a good gun. I'm
glad I chose it as my first gun. However, it has been my experience that my
Spyder har performed much more reliably (sp?) than my VM.
>Point 2. Many of the guys here recommending Spyders are tinkerers. I'm
>glad these guys are around because they teach us a lot but lets face it.
>The average Joe Paintball is not a tinkerer. They play 6 or 10 times a
>year and on those days they don't want problems and three hours of down
>time. They get their fun playing paintball not taking their guns apart.
This is bullshit. The Spyder requires very little in the way of tinkering
or technical knowledge. One only needs to know how to take it apart to clean
it (Something that anyone who owns any gun should know about their gun) and
how to adjust the velocity (which if far easier on the spyder than the VM).
As far as seal problems with the Spyder, I have had them. But, both times I
have blown seals, it was a direct result of *my****up. Why didn't your
friends replace them? If they go out to play without having spare parts
(which I carry for both my VM and Spyder), they made a big mistake. I mean,
I don't carry a spare of every part in the gun, but I do have extra screws,
seals and springs that I can use to put a gun back in play. Likewise, I dont
keep a spare transmission in the trunk of my car. But, I have a spare tire,
a can of FixAFlat, some coolant, washer fluid, spare fuses, etc. That's not
being a tinkerer. That's just being perpared!
Even if Joe Paintball plays 6 times a year, if he owns a gun, he should know
how to disassemble, clean, adjust, lube and reassemble his gun. He should
carry a kit of spare parts to get a gun going again if there are problems.
If he doesn't want this responsibility, he should rent. It's a machine
and, like any other machine, needs to be maintained.
>Point 3. The Spyder is a cheap import.
This is true. It's not as durable as the VM.
>was designed with only one thing in mind--price point.
So the fact that, out of the box, the gun shoots faster, smoother and more
accurately than the VM was just an accident? (I will concede that,
literally "right out of the box", the Spyder needs to be dissassembled and
lubed, because it ships dry. However, anyone who wants to own a gun should
find out how to do this anyway--see above)
>They wanted a cheap
>gun for the I&I's and Paintball Games of Dallas to sell to unsuspecting
I'm not an unsuspecting newbie. I've been playing for 2 years and made an
informed decision when I bought it. I would recommend it to any newbie.
>Point 4. What has the Kingman Co done to promote the sport? Look in the
>tournament ads under sponsors. Ever see the Kingman name in those columns.
>Did you ever miss seeing the Tippmann or Sheridan or...?
I'll give you this one. Kingman does little for the sport besides selling
guns. I'll also add that their Technical Support and Customer Service are
In spite of this, they provide a good piece of equipment at a good price.
It is a shame that your friends had problems, but could it be because they
screwed up and not the because the guns were bad?
Just my $0.02...