Snipering is a role...

Snipering is a role...

Post by Lee » Tue, 08 Jun 1999 04:00:00


The longer I have been reading on paintball news groups the more I see
people asking "Whats the best sniper gun," and "Does anyone have any sniper
tactics?"  And to tell you the truth I really tired of seeing this all over
the place and the awnswer is all the same.  Match your paintball to your
barrel, make a ghillies suit, and lalalalala, it goes on and on, but the
truth is, if your go out onto the paintball field with a ghillie suit and
everyone else has bdu's then your going to look a little funny and it might
be considered a little overkill.

Every player is a sniper.  There isn't a wide variety of trajectories for
paintball like there is for real bullets, and there is rules limiting the
velocity.  All player use sniper tactics, and accurate markers, yet no
player can truly say that they are a sniper unless they are playing a role
in a scenario game.  I mean if everyone is pretty much the same in general
as far as marker range, and limited accuracy, and individual player tactics
never vary that much so if one person says that they are a sniper then I
guess everyone else must be a sniper too.

I'd really like to hear what other people have to say about this, I'm not
trying to complain or start trouble or anything like that, I just wanted to
hear what people had to say about this issue.

 
 
 

Snipering is a role...

Post by Mandrak » Wed, 09 Jun 1999 04:00:00

I totally agree.  Being a sniper in a game (scenario or not) is a situation
that is really up to chance.  If, by chance, you're sneaking through the
woods, and come up behind the enemy (or in front of them) and you're still
concealed, and manage to take a few or all of them out before anyone knows
you're around, then yes, you've sucessfully sniped.  The problems facing
players in any game are getting around obstacles without being seen/shot.
Most games have a "line" of battle.  Getting around this line is a tricky
proposition at best.

Perhaps in a VERY large game, with multiple "hot zones" may have small
pockets where a player can slip in undetected.  A big problem with that is
that you must pick your battles.  You see one player moving near you, he's
an enemy, and he has no teammates nearby.  This is a target of opportunity.
He has no friends to back him up, and as long as he doesn't see you, he's an
easy kill.  However, if you happen upon a bunch of opponents, and their
spread out over an area, chances are, they will see your first few shots and
now you're stuck in a battle you probably can't win.  Sure, you may take a
couple of them with the initial suprise attack, but being outgunned isn't
something that is easily escaped.

A more likely scenario:  You're playing with your team, and you've got a
really good hiding spot, in a fairly "hot zone."  If you stay put, the enemy
may simply walk past you, and you get a couple of kills, and possibly get
away with it.  Or, your team sets up an ambush (multiple snipers focused on
one single area of attack, in a crossfire.)

What I'm really trying to point out, is that it's difficult to move around a
field unnoticed.  You're better to seek targets of opportunity rather than
actively seek "sniper" status.

Find a good vantage point, and don't move. When an enemy approaches,
eliminate him.  Pick your battles, or better yet, don't start a battle you
can't win.  Know your range, settle in, take a couple of test shots, then
freeze, don't move at all.  If an enemy moves into an area near you, but out
of your predetermined kill zone, use caution when repositioning yourself,
this may violate the "don't ever move" rule.  Don't believe that "One Shot
One Kill" bull$#!+ (IMHO), if it takes 1 shot or 5 shots, FINISH WHAT YOU
START.  If you begin shooting at an opponent, and he escapes, bet your last
paintball that he's going to come back with his buddies.  You are the
hunter, and you are the hunted.  You aren't stalking an animal that has a
limited range of retaliation.  You're playing against an intelligent (this
is open to argument in some cases) opponent who has a marker that can shoot
just as far, just as fast, and more or less as accurate as yours.  Try to
make your gun as quiet as possible (I'm not even going to touch the silencer
topic.) You aren't superman, don't take on the whole army.  Seek single
eliminations.

These tactics are a combination of 3 things:
1. What I believe to be common sense
2. My experience trying to snipe, successes and failures combined (yes, I've
tried to take on the whole army, I took out a couple, but I was eliminated)
3. My training in Tokagure Ryu, which in part emphasizes knowing your
opponent, knowing your capibilities, evading attacks, using your opponents
strengths against him, hiding, and moving silently (a couple of belts from
black, I unfortunately had to discontinue my training after an evening
session left me with a broken foot, almost rebroke it trying to continue
months later)

Flame me if you like, it's quite possible that your experience differs from
mine, and you have tactics that work better for you.  We all have our own
style, and our own pace.  If you believe in the "One shot one kill" sniping
philosophy, more power to you.  I hope you're a really good shot.  Know
this, I've dodged my share of paintballs from multiple opponents, and I
think my chances of dodging your single shot will be high.

Take these statements seriously at your own risk.  I wish you luck.  I
myself will be playing the field with my team, until I see the opportunity
to make a stealthy elimination.  I see the role of a sniper come and go
during the game.  Sometimes I take it, and get an elimination.  Sometimes I
don't take it because the team needs me in the battle.

See you on the field (or maybe not if you take all of this to heart, in
which case...I'm toast)
Mike


Quote:
> The longer I have been reading on paintball news groups the more I see
> people asking "Whats the best sniper gun," and "Does anyone have any
sniper
> tactics?"  And to tell you the truth I really tired of seeing this all
over
> the place and the awnswer is all the same.  Match your paintball to your
> barrel, make a ghillies suit, and lalalalala, it goes on and on, but the
> truth is, if your go out onto the paintball field with a ghillie suit and
> everyone else has bdu's then your going to look a little funny and it
might
> be considered a little overkill.

> Every player is a sniper.  There isn't a wide variety of trajectories for
> paintball like there is for real bullets, and there is rules limiting the
> velocity.  All player use sniper tactics, and accurate markers, yet no
> player can truly say that they are a sniper unless they are playing a role
> in a scenario game.  I mean if everyone is pretty much the same in general
> as far as marker range, and limited accuracy, and individual player
tactics
> never vary that much so if one person says that they are a sniper then I
> guess everyone else must be a sniper too.

> I'd really like to hear what other people have to say about this, I'm not
> trying to complain or start trouble or anything like that, I just wanted
to
> hear what people had to say about this issue.


 
 
 

Snipering is a role...

Post by Gary Dyrka » Wed, 09 Jun 1999 04:00:00



We petty well worked the sniper issue to death a month or two ago.  Do
a search on www.deja.com.  There were some very thoughtful insights
made on this subject over at least a weeks worth of posts.  Of course,
I don't remember there being any great all convincing revelations, but
most of the pro's and cons were there.  

If I remember correctly it started with a post by the "Foothills
Unibomber"

Quote:
>The longer I have been reading on paintball news groups the more I see
>people asking "Whats the best sniper gun," and "Does anyone have any sniper
>tactics?"  And to tell you the truth I really tired of seeing this all over
>the place and the awnswer is all the same.  Match your paintball to your
>barrel, make a ghillies suit, and lalalalala, it goes on and on, but the
>truth is, if your go out onto the paintball field with a ghillie suit and
>everyone else has bdu's then your going to look a little funny and it might
>be considered a little overkill.

>Every player is a sniper.  There isn't a wide variety of trajectories for
>paintball like there is for real bullets, and there is rules limiting the
>velocity.  All player use sniper tactics, and accurate markers, yet no
>player can truly say that they are a sniper unless they are playing a role
>in a scenario game.  I mean if everyone is pretty much the same in general
>as far as marker range, and limited accuracy, and individual player tactics
>never vary that much so if one person says that they are a sniper then I
>guess everyone else must be a sniper too.

>I'd really like to hear what other people have to say about this, I'm not
>trying to complain or start trouble or anything like that, I just wanted to
>hear what people had to say about this issue.

Gary Dyrkacz

Radio Control Aircraft/Paintball Physics/Paintball for 40+
http://www.mcs.net/~dyrgcmn/

 
 
 

Snipering is a role...

Post by Steve J Davi » Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> The longer I have been reading on paintball news groups the more I see
> people asking "Whats the best sniper gun," and "Does anyone have any sniper
> tactics?"  And to tell you the truth I really tired of seeing this all over
> the place and the awnswer is all the same.  Match your paintball to your
> barrel, make a ghillies suit, and lalalalala, it goes on and on, but the
> truth is, if your go out onto the paintball field with a ghillie suit and
> everyone else has bdu's then your going to look a little funny and it might
> be considered a little overkill.

> Every player is a sniper.  There isn't a wide variety of trajectories for
> paintball like there is for real bullets, and there is rules limiting the
> velocity.  All player use sniper tactics, and accurate markers, yet no
> player can truly say that they are a sniper unless they are playing a role
> in a scenario game.  I mean if everyone is pretty much the same in general
> as far as marker range, and limited accuracy, and individual player tactics
> never vary that much so if one person says that they are a sniper then I
> guess everyone else must be a sniper too.

> I'd really like to hear what other people have to say about this, I'm not
> trying to complain or start trouble or anything like that, I just wanted to
> hear what people had to say about this issue.

I would say anyone without sights on their gun are not snipers.