barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Dean Pokotyl » Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:17:56


Hello,
I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder Xtra(stock) marker. I
value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single barrel), with out
moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the best manufacture,
make and length and why/experience?

Side note: Please lay off the peanut gallery comments, *** spew, baby
killer, gun lobby, NRA, Canadian Gun Control, IQ test results, stupid
user/player, smart ass | aleck, lame comments, etc......

I just would like the facts and information please.

Thanks
d

 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Jose I. Sanche » Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:24:00

Well, I can just about guarantee you will get some pretty smart aleck
remarks from this group.  As for barrell recommendations, I am partial to a
Dye Stainless barrell in 12" length.  I shoot a 10" Taso SS on my Mag and it
is too tight bore, so I am limited to what paint I can use.  The Dye SS on
my***er, shoots absolutely anything.  Really small bore stuff can
sometimes roll out, but that is rare with a good ball detent.  Length will
not affect accuracy and porting ONLY reduces noise.  If you don't want to
spend the money for an SS barrell then a J&J ceramic is a great low price
alternative as is the Dye Excel.  My preference for SS barrells is due to
hardness, ability to hold a mirror finish and the ability of SS to shoot
itself clean quickly, when you have a good paint to barrell match.

 Jose I. Sanchez


Quote:
> Hello,
> I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder Xtra(stock) marker.
I
> value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single barrel), with
out
> moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the best
manufacture,
> make and length and why/experience?

> Side note: Please lay off the peanut gallery comments, *** spew, baby
> killer, gun lobby, NRA, Canadian Gun Control, IQ test results, stupid
> user/player, smart ass | aleck, lame comments, etc......

> I just would like the facts and information please.

> Thanks
> d


 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Michael Hughe » Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:28:36

Range is not affected by barrel.

Accuracy is more affected by paint than barrel.


Quote:
> Hello,
> I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder Xtra(stock) marker.
I
> value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single barrel), with
out
> moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the best
manufacture,
> make and length and why/experience?

> Side note: Please lay off the peanut gallery comments, *** spew, baby
> killer, gun lobby, NRA, Canadian Gun Control, IQ test results, stupid
> user/player, smart ass | aleck, lame comments, etc......

> I just would like the facts and information please.

> Thanks
> d


 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Chuck Gad » Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:39:58



Quote:
>Hello,
>I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder Xtra(stock) marker. I
>value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single barrel), with out
>moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the best manufacture,
>make and length and why/experience?

I really like the Smart-Parts Progressive, and Smart-Parts All
American.  Both are medium bore size, which works well for most paint
out there.

I went with a Progressive over the all american because of price.  The
barrel has performed very well.   I didn't expect to be able to detect
much of a difference.   It is much quieter, very few breaks, and more
accuracy than the stock 9" barrel that came with my marker.

Action Village has both the progressive and all-american on sale for
$20 and $40.   I believe that only the spyder threaded versions, and
only in the 12" length are on sale.

Chuck Gadd
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua

 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Darth Ala » Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:52:00

Um friction will reduce velocity, and thus reduce range.  Barrels do affect
range....sorry.  If it is too tight, the range will decrease.  If it is too
short the air behind the ball will escape, and not allow sufficient increase
in velocity.

--
 Alan
-Bushmaster B2K3-
Eight months experience and a little luck
secure the attrition of the opposing team.


Quote:
> Range is not affected by barrel.

> Accuracy is more affected by paint than barrel.



> > Hello,
> > I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder Xtra(stock)
marker.
> I
> > value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single barrel), with
> out
> > moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the best
> manufacture,
> > make and length and why/experience?

> > Side note: Please lay off the peanut gallery comments, *** spew,
baby
> > killer, gun lobby, NRA, Canadian Gun Control, IQ test results, stupid
> > user/player, smart ass | aleck, lame comments, etc......

> > I just would like the facts and information please.

> > Thanks
> > d

 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Michael Hughe » Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:19:07

um, thats the paintball, paintball is too big, friction increases. paint is
too small, range decreases.

Quote:
> Um friction will reduce velocity, and thus reduce range.  Barrels do
affect
> range....sorry.  If it is too tight, the range will decrease.  If it is
too
> short the air behind the ball will escape, and not allow sufficient
increase
> in velocity.

> --
>  Alan
> -Bushmaster B2K3-
> Eight months experience and a little luck
> secure the attrition of the opposing team.



> > Range is not affected by barrel.

> > Accuracy is more affected by paint than barrel.



> > > Hello,
> > > I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder Xtra(stock)
> marker.
> > I
> > > value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single barrel),
with
> > out
> > > moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the best
> > manufacture,
> > > make and length and why/experience?

> > > Side note: Please lay off the peanut gallery comments, *** spew,
> baby
> > > killer, gun lobby, NRA, Canadian Gun Control, IQ test results, stupid
> > > user/player, smart ass | aleck, lame comments, etc......

> > > I just would like the facts and information please.

> > > Thanks
> > > d

 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Joel Hoy » Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:29:07

But you should always readjust your velocity whenever you switch barrels or
paint brands.

Quote:
> Um friction will reduce velocity, and thus reduce range.  Barrels do
affect
> range....sorry.  If it is too tight, the range will decrease.  If it is
too
> short the air behind the ball will escape, and not allow sufficient
increase
> in velocity.

> --
>  Alan
> -Bushmaster B2K3-
> Eight months experience and a little luck
> secure the attrition of the opposing team.



> > Range is not affected by barrel.

> > Accuracy is more affected by paint than barrel.



> > > Hello,
> > > I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder Xtra(stock)
> marker.
> > I
> > > value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single barrel),
with
> > out
> > > moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the best
> > manufacture,
> > > make and length and why/experience?

> > > Side note: Please lay off the peanut gallery comments, *** spew,
> baby
> > > killer, gun lobby, NRA, Canadian Gun Control, IQ test results, stupid
> > > user/player, smart ass | aleck, lame comments, etc......

> > > I just would like the facts and information please.

> > > Thanks
> > > d

 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Michael Hughe » Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:37:22

Yes, but but but.

If I only have one barrel, and have paint that's too big/small, I can't
change either factor and I'm screwed for accuracy.

If I can switch inserts/barrels, well, then that means I can still be
accurate.

HOWEVER, this means that the paint your using is generally the determining
factor, however the same arguement can be said for the barrel. But since I
must use field paint, well, the right size paint helps.

But now that I have/am getting the Freak, I won't have that problem

OBFreak:  Has anyone else noticed the mass of cheap, noname freak ripoff's
out there?  Septer, Pipe, bleh???


Quote:
> But you should always readjust your velocity whenever you switch barrels
or
> paint brands.


> > Um friction will reduce velocity, and thus reduce range.  Barrels do
> affect
> > range....sorry.  If it is too tight, the range will decrease.  If it is
> too
> > short the air behind the ball will escape, and not allow sufficient
> increase
> > in velocity.

> > --
> >  Alan
> > -Bushmaster B2K3-
> > Eight months experience and a little luck
> > secure the attrition of the opposing team.



> > > Range is not affected by barrel.

> > > Accuracy is more affected by paint than barrel.



> > > > Hello,
> > > > I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder Xtra(stock)
> > marker.
> > > I
> > > > value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single barrel),
> with
> > > out
> > > > moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the best
> > > manufacture,
> > > > make and length and why/experience?

> > > > Side note: Please lay off the peanut gallery comments, ***
spew,
> > baby
> > > > killer, gun lobby, NRA, Canadian Gun Control, IQ test results,
stupid
> > > > user/player, smart ass | aleck, lame comments, etc......

> > > > I just would like the facts and information please.

> > > > Thanks
> > > > d

 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Jeff Gosli » Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:07:50


Quote:
> I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder Xtra(stock) marker.
I
> value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single barrel), with
out
> moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the best
manufacture,
> make and length and why/experience?

I'm a big fan of the J&J Ceramic.  Lightweight, accurate, durable,
inexpensive, medium bore.  Can't ask for much more in a barrel.  ~40 bucks
online in a variety of lengths, for a variety of markers(including Spyders).

Quote:
> Side note: Please lay off the peanut gallery comments, *** spew, baby
> killer, gun lobby, NRA, Canadian Gun Control, IQ test results, stupid
> user/player, smart ass | aleck, lame comments, etc......

I would lay off, but then I wouldn't be able to abort my baby killing gun
grabbing card carrying NRA member of the Canadian Mensa, he's such a stupid
luser/player... so lame...  And don't think you didn't ask for that one.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD

 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Jeff Gosli » Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:10:34

Darth, not to point out the obvious or anything, but "you're a dumbass" and
"you don't know what you're talking about" and "don't be such a Maynard"...

If a ball has already left the barrel, and it's velocity after it leaves the
barrel is 300fps, does it really matter whether the barrel was 8 inches or 3
feet long?  No.  Because there is no force acting on the ball once it leaves
the barrel aside from forces that would already be acting upon it if it were
shot out of any barrel(ie wind and air resistance and the like).

Go ahead... you can hang your head in shame now...

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD


Quote:
> Um friction will reduce velocity, and thus reduce range.  Barrels do
affect
> range....sorry.  If it is too tight, the range will decrease.  If it is
too
> short the air behind the ball will escape, and not allow sufficient
increase
> in velocity.

> --
>  Alan
> -Bushmaster B2K3-
> Eight months experience and a little luck
> secure the attrition of the opposing team.



> > Range is not affected by barrel.

> > Accuracy is more affected by paint than barrel.



> > > Hello,
> > > I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder Xtra(stock)
> marker.
> > I
> > > value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single barrel),
with
> > out
> > > moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the best
> > manufacture,
> > > make and length and why/experience?

> > > Side note: Please lay off the peanut gallery comments, *** spew,
> baby
> > > killer, gun lobby, NRA, Canadian Gun Control, IQ test results, stupid
> > > user/player, smart ass | aleck, lame comments, etc......

> > > I just would like the facts and information please.

> > > Thanks
> > > d

 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Dan Marti » Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:47:12

I think he meant, and I took it  as  if the barrel were to be too short ,
the gas would not propel the ball for the optimum period of time/distance
( that being 8 inches according to the rsp experts)   , therefore a
reduction in velocity would be present.

cheers
Dan


Quote:
> Darth, not to point out the obvious or anything, but "you're a dumbass"
and
> "you don't know what you're talking about" and "don't be such a
Maynard"...

> If a ball has already left the barrel, and it's velocity after it leaves
the
> barrel is 300fps, does it really matter whether the barrel was 8 inches or
3
> feet long?  No.  Because there is no force acting on the ball once it
leaves
> the barrel aside from forces that would already be acting upon it if it
were
> shot out of any barrel(ie wind and air resistance and the like).

> Go ahead... you can hang your head in shame now...

> --
> Jeff Goslin - MCSD



> > Um friction will reduce velocity, and thus reduce range.  Barrels do
> affect
> > range....sorry.  If it is too tight, the range will decrease.  If it is
> too
> > short the air behind the ball will escape, and not allow sufficient
> increase
> > in velocity.

> > --
> >  Alan
> > -Bushmaster B2K3-
> > Eight months experience and a little luck
> > secure the attrition of the opposing team.



> > > Range is not affected by barrel.

> > > Accuracy is more affected by paint than barrel.



> > > > Hello,
> > > > I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder Xtra(stock)
> > marker.
> > > I
> > > > value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single barrel),
> with
> > > out
> > > > moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the best
> > > manufacture,
> > > > make and length and why/experience?

> > > > Side note: Please lay off the peanut gallery comments, ***
spew,
> > baby
> > > > killer, gun lobby, NRA, Canadian Gun Control, IQ test results,
stupid
> > > > user/player, smart ass | aleck, lame comments, etc......

> > > > I just would like the facts and information please.

> > > > Thanks
> > > > d

 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Michael Hughe » Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:49:50

I argue 10, yet in vain.

God I love this argument...START IT AGAIN!

Quote:
> I think he meant, and I took it  as  if the barrel were to be too short ,
> the gas would not propel the ball for the optimum period of time/distance
> ( that being 8 inches according to the rsp experts)   , therefore a
> reduction in velocity would be present.

> cheers
> Dan



> > Darth, not to point out the obvious or anything, but "you're a dumbass"
> and
> > "you don't know what you're talking about" and "don't be such a
> Maynard"...

> > If a ball has already left the barrel, and it's velocity after it leaves
> the
> > barrel is 300fps, does it really matter whether the barrel was 8 inches
or
> 3
> > feet long?  No.  Because there is no force acting on the ball once it
> leaves
> > the barrel aside from forces that would already be acting upon it if it
> were
> > shot out of any barrel(ie wind and air resistance and the like).

> > Go ahead... you can hang your head in shame now...

> > --
> > Jeff Goslin - MCSD



> > > Um friction will reduce velocity, and thus reduce range.  Barrels do
> > affect
> > > range....sorry.  If it is too tight, the range will decrease.  If it
is
> > too
> > > short the air behind the ball will escape, and not allow sufficient
> > increase
> > > in velocity.

> > > --
> > >  Alan
> > > -Bushmaster B2K3-
> > > Eight months experience and a little luck
> > > secure the attrition of the opposing team.



> > > > Range is not affected by barrel.

> > > > Accuracy is more affected by paint than barrel.



> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder Xtra(stock)
> > > marker.
> > > > I
> > > > > value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single
barrel),
> > with
> > > > out
> > > > > moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the best
> > > > manufacture,
> > > > > make and length and why/experience?

> > > > > Side note: Please lay off the peanut gallery comments, ***
> spew,
> > > baby
> > > > > killer, gun lobby, NRA, Canadian Gun Control, IQ test results,
> stupid
> > > > > user/player, smart ass | aleck, lame comments, etc......

> > > > > I just would like the facts and information please.

> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > d

 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Dan Marti » Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:16:28

Oh, I ain't starting it, just stating what I heard.  Anyways 12 is the magic
number .......

Cheers

Dan


Quote:
> I argue 10, yet in vain.

> God I love this argument...START IT AGAIN!


> > I think he meant, and I took it  as  if the barrel were to be too short
,
> > the gas would not propel the ball for the optimum period of
time/distance
> > ( that being 8 inches according to the rsp experts)   , therefore a
> > reduction in velocity would be present.

> > cheers
> > Dan



> > > Darth, not to point out the obvious or anything, but "you're a
dumbass"
> > and
> > > "you don't know what you're talking about" and "don't be such a
> > Maynard"...

> > > If a ball has already left the barrel, and it's velocity after it
leaves
> > the
> > > barrel is 300fps, does it really matter whether the barrel was 8
inches
> or
> > 3
> > > feet long?  No.  Because there is no force acting on the ball once it
> > leaves
> > > the barrel aside from forces that would already be acting upon it if
it
> > were
> > > shot out of any barrel(ie wind and air resistance and the like).

> > > Go ahead... you can hang your head in shame now...

> > > --
> > > Jeff Goslin - MCSD



> > > > Um friction will reduce velocity, and thus reduce range.  Barrels do
> > > affect
> > > > range....sorry.  If it is too tight, the range will decrease.  If it
> is
> > > too
> > > > short the air behind the ball will escape, and not allow sufficient
> > > increase
> > > > in velocity.

> > > > --
> > > >  Alan
> > > > -Bushmaster B2K3-
> > > > Eight months experience and a little luck
> > > > secure the attrition of the opposing team.



> > > > > Range is not affected by barrel.

> > > > > Accuracy is more affected by paint than barrel.



> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > I am looking for to pick up a new barrel for my Spyder
Xtra(stock)
> > > > marker.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > value accuracy and range over anything else (with a single
> barrel),
> > > with
> > > > > out
> > > > > > moving to a freak barrel system. In a nut shell, what is the
best
> > > > > manufacture,
> > > > > > make and length and why/experience?

> > > > > > Side note: Please lay off the peanut gallery comments, ***
> > spew,
> > > > baby
> > > > > > killer, gun lobby, NRA, Canadian Gun Control, IQ test results,
> > stupid
> > > > > > user/player, smart ass | aleck, lame comments, etc......

> > > > > > I just would like the facts and information please.

> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > d

 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by T. Greenin » Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:02:38


Quote:
> I think he meant, and I took it  as  if the barrel were to be too short ,
> the gas would not propel the ball for the optimum period of time/distance
> ( that being 8 inches according to the rsp experts)   , therefore a

                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That would be me then.  All you all can go ahead and give me your latest
theory on barrel technology/performance and I'll tell you whether you're on
track or full of shit AND I'll go ahead and explain why that is so.

And for the record, "optimum barrel length" is pretty much non-existent
unless you lay down some ground rules first.

 
 
 

barrel of choice for a Spyder Xtra (stock)

Post by Dean Pokotyl » Sat, 14 Dec 2002 04:18:37

Decided on a 16" DYE Boomstick.
Just letting you people know, and thanks for the advice.
dp
Quote:



>>I think he meant, and I took it  as  if the barrel were to be too short ,
>>the gas would not propel the ball for the optimum period of time/distance
>>( that being 8 inches according to the rsp experts)   , therefore a

>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> That would be me then.  All you all can go ahead and give me your latest
> theory on barrel technology/performance and I'll tell you whether you're on
> track or full of shit AND I'll go ahead and explain why that is so.

> And for the record, "optimum barrel length" is pretty much non-existent
> unless you lay down some ground rules first.