NON LCD Angel vs Shocker vs Intimidator vs BM2k

NON LCD Angel vs Shocker vs Intimidator vs BM2k

Post by Mike Borrell » Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:00:00


Could i get some opinions on these guns i am investing in a new marker very
soon and it has been narrowed down to these 4. I really like the intimidator
but they are new............I dunno you all tell me what you think......

Mike Borrelli

 
 
 

NON LCD Angel vs Shocker vs Intimidator vs BM2k

Post by Lazru » Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:00:00

A non LCD angel is an LED angel


Quote:
> Could i get some opinions on these guns i am investing in a new marker
very
> soon and it has been narrowed down to these 4. I really like the
intimidator
> but they are new............I dunno you all tell me what you think......

> Mike Borrelli


 
 
 

NON LCD Angel vs Shocker vs Intimidator vs BM2k

Post by Mike Borrell » Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Yeah but last time someone said angel LED they got flamed all to hell so i
was being politically correct....LOL

Mike

Quote:
> A non LCD angel is an LED angel



> > Could i get some opinions on these guns i am investing in a new marker
> very
> > soon and it has been narrowed down to these 4. I really like the
> intimidator
> > but they are new............I dunno you all tell me what you think......

> > Mike Borrelli


 
 
 

NON LCD Angel vs Shocker vs Intimidator vs BM2k

Post by Rifs » Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Of those four, I would recommend the BM2K.  It is very similiar to a Angel as
far as speed and abilities.  it is also a whole lot cheaper.  Between a Non LCD
Angel and the intimidator I would take the intimidator any day.  Cheaper and
more features.  Only three downsides that I have heard about so far.   1)Looks.
 A lot of people hate the space age look.  Compared to something out of the
Jetson's.  Personally I think it looks kinda cool but thats me.
2)Internal hoses.  I have heard if you aren't careful with the pressure in the
gun that the internal hoses can pop off.  This is second hand, but it appears
that you just reattach them.  Again not a big problem but something to be aware
of.
3) its really new.  You need to be warned that it is still under 4 months old.
The thing hasn't had much in the way of a field test by the general public.
Not to say it is bad or that Bob didn't due a good job, but its new.  It will
take a while for all the unadvertised features to show up.

As far as benifits...Price vs features are awesome.  Compared to the Bushie at
$550+ or more to the Intimidater at $800+ it still is an awesome gun.  it comes
with turbo automatically as apposed to 75-125 from timber or bob(can't remember
exact price), Anti chop eye is 125 by itself or 225  for both from
timber[note...Timberwolf, why do you charge an extra dollar to get both($99 for
chaos+$125 for eye=224).  Just wondering:)]anyway...thats $775 just for those
two features(turbo and eye).  ICD just came out with their LCD for the bushie,
however from what I have heard you can't use the chaos chip nor bob's chip and
their respective eyes with it.  If anyone else has heard please correct me on
this one.  However thats going to run you another $150+  Thats $925+ for those
few items.  
  Please note those prices are from what I remember.  Please correct me if I am
wrong and make sure you research and look around for the best price/service.
  Anyway, as far as the Shocker, I really can't say too much bad about it.  Its
quite, accurate, and fairly fast.  Again comparing price and features I would
still go with the Intimidator if you are going to get a S/F or turbo version of
the shocker.
  As far as the Angel, I currently won't get an angel.  Its a status symbol and
I could have gotten one instead of my Defiant.  However I think they are
becoming really boringly common.  If I was going to drop $1000+ on a marker I
would want it to be rare.  At the field I play at at least 6 have an Angel, 3
of them are custom angel series.  I have only 1 of 2 Defiants.  1 other person
owns a Bushie.  This isn't to say if it cost the same I wouldn't have gotten an
Angel.  I would love to own the status symbol of a high end marker, but as it
stands I would get an intimidator first.  See the bushie/intimidator
comparison.  Price vs. features the Intimidator blows everything else away.
Only department it falls short on is the reliance factor and that is simply
because it hasn't had time to prove one way or another.

 
 
 

NON LCD Angel vs Shocker vs Intimidator vs BM2k

Post by SCM9 » Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:00:00

<< As far as the Angel, I currently won't get an angel.  Its a status symbol
and
I could have gotten one instead of my Defiant.  However I think they are
becoming really boringly common. >>

They are common because they are the best you can get.  Everyone seems to be
getting them.

 
 
 

NON LCD Angel vs Shocker vs Intimidator vs BM2k

Post by Wlf w Ro » Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>Between a Non LCD
>Angel and the intimidator I would take the intimidator any day.  Cheaper and
>more features.  Only three downsides that I have heard about so far.
>1)Looks.
> A lot of people hate the space age look.  Compared to something out of the
>Jetson's.  Personally I think it looks kinda cool but thats me.
>2)Internal hoses.  I have heard if you aren't careful with the pressure in
>the
>gun that the internal hoses can pop off.  This is second hand, but it appears
>that you just reattach them.  Again not a big problem but something to be
>aware
>of.

Just a note, the reason these hoses pop off is as a saftey/protection feature,
they were designed to pop off instead of over presurizing the solenoid and
blowing it and costing you ~$75.  Its its a huge deal slip on a***er hose
"hat" but make sure you have a guage when adjusting the LPR.

Quote:
>3) its really new.  You need to be warned that it is still under 4 months
>old.
>The thing hasn't had much in the way of a field test by the general public.
>Not to say it is bad or that Bob didn't due a good job, but its new.  It will
>take a while for all the unadvertised features to show up.

Nice thing is Bob delayed the introduction to get the bugs worked out (unlike
some gun makers) it was held up nearly 4 months to get some things that might
have been future bugs worked out before people were poping down 850.  also ther
are lots of neat toys in the pipe line for the intimidator....new chipset to
take advantage of BE's new loader...rupper grips....Aluminum AC Eye covers...a
new bolt.....add on sight rail.

Also anyone that was at the 24rh scenerioat Mountain paintball can attest to
how much paint an intim can laydown. Kyle now has his signature series bunker
it has about 3 coats of flaming pink paint, very stylish

 
 
 

NON LCD Angel vs Shocker vs Intimidator vs BM2k

Post by J.W. Wittr » Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:00:00

I was There at the Scenario Game at Mountain Paintball, and Saw the
Intimidators lay the paint!   What a minute,  I own both, so I guess my
opinion won't count. :)   Thanks Kyle for the support, and the rest of
Delta Splat Paintball.  :)

J.W Wittrig (Mountain Paintball)
http://community.webtv.net/paintcocker/JWEnterprises

 
 
 

NON LCD Angel vs Shocker vs Intimidator vs BM2k

Post by Rifs » Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>They are common because they are the best you can get.  Everyone seems to be
>getting them.

Well, as everyone says, this is the internet and your opinion may vary, I just
think there are a number of other markers out there that will give you the same
reliability, similiar looks, similiar features, and heck be almost the same gun
for less money.  The Angel has become a status symbol for a lot of newish
players to the sport(please note, not saying people with Angels are newbies,
new to the sport, etc.  but a lot of the newber players seem to be buying them
as their first or second gun for the status symbol and they appear to think
that it lets them brag).  A lot of the draw towards the Angel is because you
can then say, "I have an Angel and I rock" or some similiar thing.  My retort
is, "I have a Defiant that will shoot just as fast, and it costs 300+ less then
yours, Ha ha".  I won't argue that they are a great gun, but there is no BEST
gun, just shades of gray.
My opinion, welcome to yours.
Rif
 
 
 

NON LCD Angel vs Shocker vs Intimidator vs BM2k

Post by SCM9 » Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:00:00

<<Well, as everyone says, this is the internet and your opinion may vary, I
just
think there are a number of other markers out there that will give you the same
reliability, similiar looks, similiar features, and heck be almost the same gun
for less money. >>

The balance, feel, and quality are why people get the angel.  The angel clones
don't have that.  The clones also don't have as good of a trigger.  The angel
is also very easy to aim with.

<< but a lot of the newber players seem to be buying them as their first or
second gun for the status symbol and they appear to think that it lets them
brag). >>

If you have an angel and suck, it doesn't give you status.  You look worse,
because you have 0 excuses.  Most people judge others based on there skill.

<<"I have a Defiant that will shoot just as fast, and it costs 300+ less then
yours, Ha ha". >>

It is just the same as people with spyders who say why did you get that***er,
mag, whatever.  My gun shoots as fast as I pull the trigger and is just as good
for a 1/3 the money.  Hell, the field owner where I play claims his daughters
e-spyder is better then an angel.

Someone with an e-spyder will wonder why you got the defiant, when he got his
gun for $300 less then you.  The defiant is a better value then the angel, and
the e-spyder is a better value then the defiant.  Some of us are looking for
the best not the best value. I dropped $2800(4 barrels, intellifeed with
hopper, every anodizied to match in thunderstruck) for my Cobra LCD then the
Armaggdon(also anodized) was another $450+.  I have zero regrets.

I got a tribal that I perfer to the defiant, and I do regret that.  I like the
Cobra LCD so much more that I will never again use the tribal.  Plus I'm
getting a featherweight adrenalin as my backup gun. Or a second Cobra LCD with
a much cheaper anodizing.

It is the same as people with the preset***in HP system that beleive they
are as good as something like the Armaggdon.

 
 
 

NON LCD Angel vs Shocker vs Intimidator vs BM2k

Post by silverthor.. » Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
> The balance, feel, and quality are why people get the angel.  The
angel clones
> don't have that.  The clones also don't have as good of a trigger.
The angel
> is also very easy to aim with.

I'll have to disagree with this remark.  I've been shopping around for
electro's.  I've held a lot and checked out their triggers.  The angel
definitely has a good trigger.  I've seen shockers with nice triggers
too.  A BM2K with a wider adjustable trigger is just as good.  The
intimidator with the stock adjustable trigger is also just as good.

The "angel clones" as you put them aren't really clones.  They offer
_some_ of the same features for less money.  They do not offer _all_ of
the same features.  The only gun that comes close to offering all of
the features at the same price as the Angel is the Excalibur.

Any gun that costs $1200+ better have "balance, feel, and quality".

I have noticed that over the last 2 years or so, Angels have
drastically increased in popularity.  It used to be a rare day when an
Angel would grace the field with it's presence.  Now there are a half a
dozen Angels on the field every time I go and play.

Angels are the best stock guns you can buy.  But take another cheaper
gun, and put the difference in price into custom tuning and cosmetics,
and in my opinion, you have an equal gun.

I think I am going to buy a custom BM2K instead of an Angel, because I
feel I will get just as good of a gun, and it will be an incredibly
unique gun.

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