Pistols: Delta 68 vs PT Xtreme vs Armotech Zeus vs PGP

Pistols: Delta 68 vs PT Xtreme vs Armotech Zeus vs PGP

Post by Desloc » Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:06:32


I'm thinking of starting up a small recreational paintball club (i.e. a
bunch of buddies) in which we all only use pistols (no hoppers, no constant
air).  These are the pistols I'm thinking about recommending (for those who
want something better than a $20 Walmart pistol):

Delta 68
Recently came out, no reviews yet, no track record.  I'm interested in it
because the PT Xtreme is a fun gun, but I don't trust its reliability.
Maybe 32 Degrees improved that with the Delta 68... it's probably too soon
to tell, but does anyone have one yet?  If so, how does the build compare to
the PT Xtreme?

Armotech Zeus G2 (or original Zeus)
I have no experience with the Zeus or Zeus G2, but the seem to get high
marks at pbreview.com.  Some say if you get semi-auto, go with a Zeus...
anyone have experience with either or these?

PGP2 (or PGP)
I owned a first generation PGP in the late 80s (no spring for ball feed, no
quick release).  It was durable, but I really like semi-auto... anyway, some
reviews say semi-auto pistols suck and the PGP/PGP2 is the way to go.
Furthermore, some of those reviews get the PGP and not the PGP2.  Any
comments?

Thanks for any comments!

On a side note, my reasoning for a pistol club:

1) Both equipment and operating cost are cheaper (per round cost is higher
with a pistol, but you fire a lot less rounds).  This is important as some
of the guys who'd be playing are strapped-for-cash college students.

2) In many ways, the game pace seems more fun when playing with pistols
(less sniping and more rushing).

3) Nowadays, everyone says you're crazy to use a pistol as a primary
weapon... but if we all have 'em, that's not an issue.

 
 
 

Pistols: Delta 68 vs PT Xtreme vs Armotech Zeus vs PGP

Post by Kristan Roberg » Fri, 06 Jun 2003 05:20:30

A rule of thumb with blowbacks and 12 grams... efficient they are NOT.
Unless you wanna burn through 12 grams, run with PGPs or other pump pistols.

Your side note reasons are flawed... for starters PT's, Zeus's, and Deltas are
all
coming out of the same damn factory and are all really the same gun with
different
bodies. They cost alot. They have crappy velocity. Expensive accessories, and
suck
in newbie buyers on looks alone. And when you have a limited number of shots...
you get people doing a LOT more sniping since few will rush someone when their
gun
is empty in 10 shots. You see a LOT of squatting and waiting for shots to come
to you
in limited ammo games.

Quote:

> I'm thinking of starting up a small recreational paintball club (i.e. a
> bunch of buddies) in which we all only use pistols (no hoppers, no constant
> air).  These are the pistols I'm thinking about recommending (for those who
> want something better than a $20 Walmart pistol):

> On a side note, my reasoning for a pistol club:

> 1) Both equipment and operating cost are cheaper (per round cost is higher
> with a pistol, but you fire a lot less rounds).  This is important as some
> of the guys who'd be playing are strapped-for-cash college students.

> 2) In many ways, the game pace seems more fun when playing with pistols
> (less sniping and more rushing).

> 3) Nowadays, everyone says you're crazy to use a pistol as a primary
> weapon... but if we all have 'em, that's not an issue.


 
 
 

Pistols: Delta 68 vs PT Xtreme vs Armotech Zeus vs PGP

Post by Jeff Gosli » Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:51:11


Quote:
> Delta 68
> Recently came out, no reviews yet, no track record.  I'm interested in it
> because the PT Xtreme is a fun gun, but I don't trust its reliability.
> Maybe 32 Degrees improved that with the Delta 68... it's probably too soon
> to tell, but does anyone have one yet?  If so, how does the build compare
to
> the PT Xtreme?

Never heard of it, but if it's like the PTX, I found the PTX to be
inaccurate, poorly made, and inefficient.  However, it was easily reloaded.
Unfortunately, if the point is to save money, ease of reloading shouldn't be
a consideration.

Quote:
> Armotech Zeus G2 (or original Zeus)

No experience with this one.

Quote:
> PGP2 (or PGP)
> I owned a first generation PGP in the late 80s (no spring for ball feed,
no
> quick release).  It was durable, but I really like semi-auto... anyway,
some
> reviews say semi-auto pistols suck and the PGP/PGP2 is the way to go.
> Furthermore, some of those reviews get the PGP and not the PGP2.  Any
> comments?

Can't go wrong with a classic.  However, I would suggest picking up older
PGP models, as they are MUCH more rugged.  Also, they can be had for around
50 bucks online on ebay.  The PGP is my personal favorite as a stock class
gun.  It's also the gun I most commonly use on the field(over even my custom
***er, I hardly ever use that any longer).

Quote:
> 1) Both equipment and operating cost are cheaper (per round cost is higher
> with a pistol, but you fire a lot less rounds).  This is important as some
> of the guys who'd be playing are strapped-for-cash college students.

An important consideration.  If money is truly a concern, stick with the
pump guns, not the semi's.

Quote:
> 2) In many ways, the game pace seems more fun when playing with pistols
> (less sniping and more rushing).

That depends on the participants.  People who are used to playing pump vs
semi will have a huge advantage over those used to playing either semi vs
semi or pump vs pump, because they will be used to dealing with larger
volumes of fire without the firepower to do anything about it.  However, if
you all use the same markers, and you're all new to the game, that would be
fine.

Quote:
> 3) Nowadays, everyone says you're crazy to use a pistol as a primary
> weapon... but if we all have 'em, that's not an issue.

I guess it depends on how good you are.  ;)
I often use a PGP as my only marker.

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